[countymounty]

Originally posted by Fast1
gosh i didnt know that there was 30 mil countries in the world..I must live in a cave...

Darn...you beat me to it.........

[countymounty]

Originally posted by kscoyote
RE: my moving - did you move when Clinton was in office? - Just Curious. -Life was too good then, eh?

RECORDS CLINTON SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

[Fast1]

Let me guess coyote you like the Dixe chicks too

[GT Dan]

KS probably doesn't wanna give up his Grey Poupon and so he's a little wryled up

[kscoyote]

Originally posted by Fast1
Let me guess coyote you like the Dixe chicks too

I do now! I just bought 3 albums!!!

re: grey poupon, my current brand of mustard is New Braunfels Smokehouse, made in Texas -Good stuff! You should try it, GT Dan!

[kscoyote]

Originally posted by countymounty
RECORDS CLINTON SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

Except for the impeachment, 70 million dollars (or more) and no convictions . . .

How's about you turn over your computer to me. I'll bet I get something on ya'.

[kscoyote]

but once again, not to lose focus on drivel, Can you explain why you're picking on the French?

Putin just ripped Bush a good one, why not boycott Russia?

I have the answer, I sent it to GTRaptor two days ago. If you want I'll post it.

[kscoyote]

Originally posted by kscoyote
but once again, not to lose focus on drivel, Can you explain why you're picking on the French?

Putin just ripped Bush a good one, why not boycott Russia?

I have the answer, I sent it to GTRaptor two days ago. If you want I'll post it.

Why not Germany?

Or Chicago, or San Fancisco (both of whom voted against war?)

Why not Italy? or Greece?



Ironically, Mexico's media is freer than ours right now. The Bush Administrations comments in Mexico were uncensored, and they are very pissed oat us right now, but. of course, you know nothing about it, do you?

[GT Dan]

Originally posted by kscoyote
but once again, not to lose focus on drivel, Can you explain why you're picking on the French?

Putin just ripped Bush a good one, why not boycott Russia?

I have the answer, I sent it to GTRaptor two days ago. If you want I'll post it.

I already answered that Coyot....you are starting to go around in circles now.

[GT Dan]

Originally posted by kscoyote
.....
Or Chicago, or San Fancisco (both of whom voted against war?) ......

Had those freaks stayed in Iraq as shields a little longer.....we wouldn't have to worry about them.

Hint: Ally's

[kscoyote]

France was an example for Mexico - Same tactics used during the campaign in Florida.

For that matter, in South Carolina against McCain. The Bush Administration thinks no one reads.

And they don't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/07/opinion/07KRUG.html


The New York Times
March 7, 2003
Let Them Hate as Long as They Fear
By PAUL KRUGMAN

Why does our president condone the swaggering and contemptuous approach to our friends and allies this administration is fostering, including among its most senior officials? Has 'oderint dum metuant' really become our motto?" So reads the resignation letter of John Brady Kiesling, a career diplomat who recently left the Foreign Service in protest against Bush administration policy.

"Oderint dum metuant" translates, roughly, as "let them hate as long as they fear." It was a favorite saying of the emperor Caligula, and may seem over the top as a description of current U.S. policy. But this week's crisis in U.S.-Mexican relations — a crisis that has been almost ignored north of the border — suggests that it is a perfect description of George Bush's attitude toward the world.

Mexico is an enormously important ally, not just because of our common border, but also because of its special role as a showcase for American ideals. For a century and a half Mexico has — often with good reason — seen its powerful neighbor as an exploiter, if not an outright enemy. Since the first Bush administration, however, the United States has made great efforts to treat Mexico as a partner, and Mexico's recent track record of economic stability and democracy is, and should be, a source of pride on both sides of the border.

But Mexico's seat on the U.N. Security Council gives it a vote on the question of Iraq — and the threats the Bush administration has made to get that vote are quickly destroying any semblance of good will.

Last week The Economist quoted an American diplomat who warned that if Mexico didn't vote for a U.S. resolution it could "stir up feelings" against Mexicans in the United States. He compared the situation to that of Japanese-Americans who were interned after 1941, and wondered whether Mexico "wants to stir the fires of jingoism during a war."

Incredible stuff, but easy to dismiss as long as the diplomat was unidentified. Then came President Bush's Monday interview with Copley News Service. He alluded to the possibility of reprisals if Mexico didn't vote America's way, saying, "I don't expect there to be significant retribution from the government" — emphasizing the word "government." He then went on to suggest that there might, however, be a reaction from other quarters, citing "an interesting phenomena taking place here in America about the French . . . a backlash against the French, not stirred up by anybody except the people."

And Mr. Bush then said that if Mexico or other countries oppose the United States, "there will be a certain sense of discipline."

These remarks went virtually unreported by the ever-protective U.S. media, but they created a political firestorm in Mexico. The White House has been frantically backpedaling, claiming that when Mr. Bush talked of "discipline" he wasn't making a threat. But in the context of the rest of the interview, it's clear that he was.

Moreover, Mr. Bush was disingenuous when he described the backlash against the French as "not stirred up by anybody except the people." On the same day that the report of his interview appeared, The Financial Times carried the headline, "Hastert Orchestrates Tirade Against the French." That's Dennis Hastert, the speaker of the House of Representatives. In fact, anti-French feeling has been carefully fomented by Republican officials, Rupert Murdoch's media empire and other administration allies. Can you blame Mexicans for interpreting Mr. Bush's remarks as a threat to do the same to them?

So oderint dum metuant it is. I could talk about the foolishness of such blatant bullying — or about the incredible risks, in a multiethnic, multiracial society, of even hinting that one might encourage a backlash against Hispanics. And yes, I mean Hispanics, not Mexicans: once feelings are running high, do you really think people will politely ask a brown-skinned guy with an accent whether he is a citizen or, if not, which country he comes from?

But my most intense reaction to this story isn't anger over the administration's stupidity and irresponsibility, or even dismay over the casual destruction of hard-won friendships. No, when I read an interview in which the U.S. president sounds for all the world like a B-movie villain — "You have relatives in Texas, yes?" — what I feel, above all, is shame.



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[kscoyote]

Allies indeed, Dan.

Like I said, same tactics, unread public.

[kscoyote]

Bush's credibility is so low on the international stage after all the promises in Afghanistan that Turkey demanded money "up front" before even taking a vote on allowing the US to use our bases there.

And the funding for Americorps? Checked that after the State of the Union speech?

How about the funds for rebuilding New York?

Clinton lied about sex. I don't care about that, it doesn't diminish AMERICAN credibility. But breaking promises that diminishes American credibility? That's too much.

[countymounty]

Originally posted by kscoyote
Except for the impeachment, 70 million dollars (or more) and no convictions . . .

STARR-RAY INVESTIGATION
- Number of Starr-Ray investigation convictions or guilty pleas to date (including one governor, one associate attorney general and two Clinton business partners): 14
- Number of Clinton Cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 5
- Number of Reagan cabinet members who came under criminal investigation: 4
- Number of top officials jailed in the Teapot Dome Scandal: 3

CRIME STATS
- Number of individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine who have been convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes: 47
- Number of these convictions during Clinton's presidency: 33
- Number of indictments/misdemeanor charges: 61
- Number of congressional witnesses who have pleaded the Fifth Amendment, fled the country to avoid testifying, or (in the case of foreign witnesses) refused to be interviewed: 122

SMALTZ INVESTIGATION
- Guilty pleas and convictions obtained by Donald Smaltz in cases involving charges of bribery and fraud against former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy and associated individuals and businesses: 15
- Acquitted or overturned cases (including Espy): 6
- Fines and penalties assessed: $11.5 million
- Amount Tyson Food paid in fines and court costs: $6 million

CLINTON MACHINE CRIMES FOR WHICH CONVICTIONS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED
Drug trafficking (3), racketeering, extortion, bribery (4), tax evasion, kickbacks, embezzlement (2), fraud (12), conspiracy (5), fraudulent loans, illegal gifts (1), illegal campaign contributions (5), money laundering (6), perjury, obstruction of justice.

OTHER MATTERS INVESTIGATED BY SPECIAL PROSECUTORS AND CONGRESS, OR REPORTED IN THE MEDIA
Bank and mail fraud, violations of campaign finance laws, illegal foreign campaign funding, improper exports of sensitive technology, physical violence and threats of violence, solicitation of perjury, intimidation of witnesses, bribery of witnesses, attempted intimidation of prosecutors, perjury before congressional committees, lying in statements to federal investigators and regulatory officials, flight of witnesses, obstruction of justice, bribery of cabinet members, real estate fraud, tax fraud, drug trafficking, failure to investigate drug trafficking, bribery of state officials, use of state police for personal purposes, exchange of promotions or benefits for sexual favors, using state police to provide false court testimony, laundering of drug money through a state agency, false reports by medical examiners and others investigating suspicious deaths, the firing of the RTC and FBI director when these agencies were investigating Clinton and his associates, failure to conduct autopsies in suspicious deaths, providing jobs in return for silence by witnesses, drug abuse, improper acquisition and use of 900 FBI files, improper futures trading, murder, sexual abuse of employees, false testimony before a federal judge, shredding of documents, withholding and concealment of subpoenaed documents, fabricated charges against (and improper firing of) White House employees, inviting drug traffickers, foreign agents and participants in organized crime to the White House.



And to be political correct lets look at other administrations convictions……..
40 government officials were indicted or convicted in the wake of Watergate. 31 Reagan era convictions, including 14 because of Iran-Contra and 16 in the Department of Housing & Urban Development scandal. 47 individuals and businesses associated with the Clinton machine were convicted of or pleaded guilty to crimes with 33 of these occurring during the Clinton administration itself. There were in addition 61 indictments or misdemeanor charges. 14 persons were imprisoned.

There is an old saying with attorneys that you never ask a question you don’t know the answer to……I guess the same thing could be said for posting something you have not researched…………

[kscoyote]

What about the Kurds and the Shiites we promised to support if they moved to overthrow Hussein?

Slaughtered.

Why?

10:1 sez documents from the Reagan and Bush administrations would have fallen into the wrong hands. Better to let them die than to let documents about WMD fall into Iran's hands via the Shiites.