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Oil price shock means China is at risk of blowing up - Telegraph

This is one of the most important posts I have ever made on AFM. This fellow has the goods. I learned some new things from this one myself.

Read it through carefully, and pay particular attention to his summation at the end.

This is the future, gang.

[quote] Asia's intra-trade model is a Ricardian network where goods are shipped in a criss-cross pattern to exploit comparative advantage. Profit margins are wafer-thin.

Products are sent to China for final assembly, then shipped again to Western markets. The snag is obvious. The cost of a 40ft container from Shanghai to Rotterdam has risen threefold since the price of oil exploded.

"The monumental energy price increases will be a 'game-changer' for Asia," said Stephen Jen, currency chief at Morgan Stanley. The region's trade model is about to be "stress-tested".

Energy subsidies have disguised the damage. China has held down electricity prices, though global coal costs have tripled since early 2007. Loss-making industries are being propped up. This merely delays trouble.

"The true impact of the shock will only be revealed over time, as subsidies are gradually rolled back," he said. Last week, China raised internal rail freight rates by 17%.

China's factories "were not built with current energy levels in mind", said Mr Jen. The outcome will be "non-linear". My translation: China is at risk of blowing up.

The Asian outsourcing game is over, says CIBC World Markets. "It's not just about labour costs any more: distance costs money," says chief economist Jeff Rubin.

Xinhua says that 2,331 shoe factories in Guangdong have shut down this year, half the total.
North Carolina's furniture industry is coming back from the dead as companies shut plant in China. "We're getting hit with increases up and down the system. It's changing the whole equation of where we produce," said Craftsmaster Furniture.
China is being crunched by the triple effects of commodity costs, 20% wage inflation, and sagging import demand in the US, Canada, Britain, Spain, Italy, and France. Critics warn that Beijing has repeated the errors of Tokyo in the 1980s by over-investing in marginal plant. A Communist Party banking system has let rip with cheap credit - steeply negative real interest rates - to buy political time for the regime.
Whether or not this is fair, it is clear that Beijing's mercantilist policy of holding down the yuan to boost exports share has now hit the buffers.
A worker on an oil field in China's northeastern Heilongjiang provinceForeign reserves have reached $1.8 trillion, playing havoc with the money supply. Declared inflation is just 7.7pc, but that does not begin to capture the scale of repressed prices, from fuel to fertilisers. "There is a lot more bottled-up inflation in this economy than meets they eye," says Stephen Green, from Standard Chartered.
Inflation merely steals growth from the future. It defers monetary tightening until matters get out of hand, which is where we are now. Vietnam has already blown up at 30%. India is on the cusp at 11%, so is Indonesia (11%), the Philippines (11%), Thailand (9%) - leaving aside the double-digit Gulf.

Of course, oil prices may fall again. They plunged to $50 a barrel in early 2007 after the Saudis raised production. The scissor effect of slowing global growth and extra crude later this year from Brazil, Azerbaijan, Africa, and the Gulf of Mexico may chill the super-boom.
The US Commodities Futures Trading Commission is on an "emergency" footing, under orders from the Democrats on Capitol Hill to smash speculators. If it is really true that investment funds have run amok, we will soon find out.

I suspect that the energy markets have fallen prey to their own version of the "shadow banking system" that so astonished regulators when the credit bubble burst.

I also suspect that Hank Paulson and his EU colleagues have a surprise up their sleeve for the late-cycle über-bulls. Those who claim that derivatives (crude futures) cannot drive spot prices have overlooked a key point. The Saudis and others use the IPE Brent Weighted Average of futures contracts as their pricing mechanism.

Futures now set the spot price.

But even if oil comes down for a year or two, the mid-term outlook of the International Energy Agency warns that crude markets will be tighter than ever by 2012. Call it Peak Oil, or just Peak Non-Cooperation by the dictatorships that control most of the world's remaining 5 or 6 trillion barrels (Mankind has used one trillion so far).

Come what may, globalisation has passed its high-water mark. The pendulum will now swing back from China to America. The mercantilists will have to reinvent themselves. [quote]
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Great read, thanks Trip. Is it wrong that the article makes me feel better about our own problems.
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Great read, thanks Trip. Is it wrong that the article makes me feel better about our own problems.
Hey, it lifted my spirits too!

All we need is something even SLIGHTLY like a level playing field to kick their butts - I have always believed that.

Too bad that the path toward that has to be sky-high oil prices and a recession, though!
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Now that is a shame, let's all have a pity party for China. Their cheap crap is going to turn into more expensive crap that no one will buy.
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...remaining 5 or 6 trillion barrels (Mankind has used one trillion so far).
Speculation at best...

Makes me wonder about the rest of the article and it's author. Everyone has an agenda.

For much of the economy, that is those whose financial well being is not directly tied to the financial market, business is adjusting nicely.

We've been busy as hell at work. This is the first morning in 3 weeks I've actually had a morning cup of coffee in front of the computer.

My opinion has always been that in a truly competitive environment capitalism will beat communism, and badly, if the table is even close to level.

Cheap transportation is one of the reasons the US population is strewn out so far and wide. Business and population is not centralized as is the case in most other industrialized nations.

With transportation so expensive, due to increases in energy and not just petroleum, US industry will be quicker to adapt than ANY state run industry or conglomerate. Most Us business is small business. The owners have their investments right under their own butts and not in investments in Wall Street.

Now, if government will just get out of the damn way...
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The bit about 5-6 trillion barrels of proven and likely reserves (odd phrase, but its what our Dept of the Interior uses) is about right.

We are flying through our energy reserves at a rate of about 15-20% per century (I believe this is a "worst case" scenario, btw).

The US alone has at least 2.2 trillion barrels, though 2 trillions is locked up in oil shale and oil sands. Canada has another trillion+. Mexico is somewhere aroung 400-500 billion, much of it undeveloped off shore oil.

The 5-6 trillion is considered a VERY conservative estimate, really, It is the number, for instance, that many experts peg as the "liquid" reserves (not including oil shale, oil sands, or inaccessible supplies buried under Antarctic ice or extremely deep ocean).

As for the upbeat estimate of the change wrought by Asia hitting the problem with price power when transportation costs and crude manufacturing technology rule...

This has been coming for a long time, and is inevitable. I personally welcome the prospect of America once again becoming a major manufacturer of our own products. If the British author's logic for this prospect is flawed, its not showing up in the actual marketplace, where our exports are indeed showing clear signs of increased success.

Factories closing in China is a huge development, the complete reversal of a trend. Manufacturers contemplating re-opening American facilities is DEFINITELY something new, particularly coming as it does during a faltering home economy.

Tom, I totally agree that capitalism will trump al other systems in a free market. The problem has been creating the conditions FOR a free market. This is the source of my constant whaling on the last 3 administrations and their coddling of China and India - as though our trade legislation and treaties (hammered out over decades to assist in creating free markets when dealing with problems like communist dictatorships and foreign government subsidized competitors) did not exist.



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Speculation at best...

Makes me wonder about the rest of the article and it's author. Everyone has an agenda.

For much of the economy, that is those whose financial well being is not directly tied to the financial market, business is adjusting nicely.

We've been busy as hell at work. This is the first morning in 3 weeks I've actually had a morning cup of coffee in front of the computer.

My opinion has always been that in a truly competitive environment capitalism will beat communism, and badly, if the table is even close to level.

Cheap transportation is one of the reasons the US population is strewn out so far and wide. Business and population is not centralized as is the case in most other industrialized nations.

With transportation so expensive, due to increases in energy and not just petroleum, US industry will be quicker to adapt than ANY state run industry or conglomerate. Most Us business is small business. The owners have their investments right under their own butts and not in investments in Wall Street.

Now, if government will just get out of the damn way...
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So... If Chine drops down in it's rise as an industrial nation needing loads of oil to support that industrialization... Does that mean oil demands in China are going to plummet, making the oil prices follow suit?

Interesting piece although I'm not all that versed in economics so I might've missed some of the finer details
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So... If Chine drops down in it's rise as an industrial nation needing loads of oil to support that industrialization... Does that mean oil demands in China are going to plummet, making the oil prices follow suit?

Interesting piece although I'm not all that versed in economics so I might've missed some of the finer details
Right now, China is subsidizing oil prices a great deal, fueling a false demand curve (but also sustaining an otherwise unsustainable growth curve). Demand WILL drop if they allow prices to operate freely.

They have started raising prices gradually, seeking to avoid too great a shock to their economy, but this is something that they cannot continue forever.

They are confronting a long LIST of problems (most of them examined in this article), with expensive fuel just one of many. The most important problem is the fact that the major portion of their economy has deep design problems which could cause a big dislocation in the near future. Entire industries will become non-viable because their economic model simply ceases to work. Its impossible to spend $1 shipping a 50 cent item that sells for 60 cents retail for very long! Robbing resources from successful industries to prop up dying ones will just delay the inevitable - waste overall treasure - and run the real chance of bringing down the good companies with the bad.
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If China were a true capitalist economy I would say this is ground breaking news. Bad for China and good for the USA. Not so fast.

China, as a communist country will weather sky high energy costs and sweat factory closures better than the USA can bring production back onto our own shores . . . or move it to Mexico.
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It all depends on how easily China can shove the capitalist djinn back into the bottle.

There's been a lot of speculation about this topic over the years.

Reminds me of an old saying:

"How do you keep them down on the farm after they've experienced the big city?"

Our system flexes in real time to the economic stress. Its the manner of economies based upon free markets, with limited government interference. China is now using their central control to play for time, but its costing them big, and there's a limit to how long the rubber band can be stretched.

IF the situation continues longer than the rubber band holds out, it could pop.

Communism tends to be very clumsy playing the capitalist game when it requires this sort of agility.

No one, of course, knows precisely where the situation lies right now in China - opague governments don't give out that sort of information. This could get interesting, though. The last time this set of conditions existed, there was still a Soviet Union and speculation that they would be able to handle their problems in 1982 better than we could handle ours.

A lot of the situation is driven by simple numbers in this case - ie, that a manufacturing sector dependent on cheap transportation costs to survive will have a real problem with any long term (much less permanent), large scale, increases in those costs. China is moving away from this model to some extent (its possible to outrun the problem with higher end products and big ticket items where you can absorb the additional transportation costs). Cherry seeking to purchase Volvo from Ford is an example, though the primary benefit would be purely capitalistic and do little to aid their problems at home, at least until they could shift some production there from Sweden (expensive propostion, given Sweden's high exit costs for such things).

Another problem for the communists will be the increasing value of the Chinese yuan. It is still not a free floating currency, but otoh it will not be a tool to help them with their current problem of expensive imported oil. Their lower priced agreements with their suppliers (like Iran) have run their course, and they are now starting to see a real strain keeping energy costs down.

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China, as a communist country will weather sky high energy costs and sweat factory closures better than the USA can bring production back onto our own shores . . . or move it to Mexico.
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All I can do is fall back on my orignal statement that China is in a better position to weather this out. All the focus of the article is on China. China simply needs to take a step or two back.

What the article fails to address, which I am injecting, is that we will have a harder time resurrecting domestic production. It wasnt only the low labor costs that drove much of our production to Asia. The rigid environmental standards and high compliance costs were also a factors.

The term not being tossed around yet is "Reverse Globalization". This is what high oil prices and resulting high oceanic transport costs is causing.

The larger challenge in my opinion will be the ability of America to resume production where we have lost not only the infrastructure, but also labor skills, and our own increasing energy costs.
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China has some coal reserves and natural gas reserves, but their oil production is small.

They import almost all of their crude oil and petroleum products, so taking advantage of the difference between extraction costs (still quite cheap, perhaps about 10% of the market price of crude) and the world spot prices will not benefit them in an energy emergency, unlike major crude producers like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the United States. (Iran, who ranks just below the US in production at #4, has virtually no refining capacity, so they are both a major exporter and a major importer of fossil fuels).

Of course, this is why China relies heavily on Coal for electricity generation.

2. China: Energy Situation

I can see why the Communist government has recently jacked up interest rates to discourage purchases of expensive items like cars.

With only about 30% of their people hooked up to their electric grid, it DOES give them the theoretical option of returning to some much lower level of economic activity, though the political risks might be huge.
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