[tripleblack]

Okay, this has to be one of the better arguments against mass transit I've seen lately:

[quote, Neal Boortz]

MUSLIM SUBWAY ADVERTISING

An Islamic group has decided that it is going to inundate New York subway trains with advertisements for Islam. The ads will run during the month of September. The problem? The campaign is being promoted by an imam who has been linked to a plot to blow up landmarks throughout New York City.

The Islamic campaign is being called the Subway Project and its intended purpose is to "explain the true nature of Islam to non-Muslims who believe the religion is bent on acts of violence." It is supposed to reach out to those people who are interested in becoming Muslim. The ads will feature questions and you get the answers by calling (877) WHY-ISLAM or to visit whyislam.org.

But then, they have Sirah Wahhaj, a Brooklyn imam, appearing in promotional video for the project. This imam defends terrorists and calls the FBI and the CIA the "real terrorists." He also was one of the 170 unindicted co-conspirators in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, among others.

This is really the best representation they could get for their religion of peace? [quote]

[VintageV8]

I do not see nor agree this is the type of Mustang related article for which this Forum was intended.
I went to the Boortz web site and entered "Muslin Subway Advertising", "New York Subway Advertising", "New York Muslim Subway Advertising" and received this result on each inquiry "
No matches were found for '(muslim or muslims) and (subway or subways) and (advert or adverted or adverting or adverts)'

[tripleblack]

That's why I supplied the link imbedded within the quote (note the blue type). I just tested it, and it works. Also, if you really wanted to find it on Neal's site, hit the "Nealz Nuze" on the left side of his front page, and its on the resulting page, about midway down.

As for this not being appropriate for a Mustang site, the "Hot Zone" IS all about politics, economic news, cultural discussions, religous concepts, and controversy (just as the title says).

AFM is not a 2 dimensional site devoted to nothing but Mustangs, but a community that, though yes it does have a Ford/Mustang focus (no pun intended), is meant to be an internet home for the thousands of loyal AFMers who spend time here.

The Hot Zone is clearly labeled and easily avoided, if it offends your sensibilities.

UPDATE: Sorry, the place to find his news is under "Today's Nuze".

Originally Posted by VintageV8

I do not see nor agree this is the type of Mustang related article for which this Forum was intended.
I went to the Boortz web site and entered "Muslin Subway Advertising", "New York Subway Advertising", "New York Muslim Subway Advertising" and received this result on each inquiry "
No matches were found for '(muslim or muslims) and (subway or subways) and (advert or adverted or adverting or adverts)'

[Andy Smith]

I don't have any problem with Islam, Stan. In fact, I feel complelled to respect all of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). I mean, what do you want... to ban free speech for Muslims?

[tripleblack]

Originally Posted by Andy Smith

I don't have any problem with Islam, Stan. In fact, I feel complelled to respect all of the Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). I mean, what do you want... to ban free speech for Muslims?

Oh, absolutely not!

And I know Neal Boortz would never want to do that, either.

Read the articles carefully, Andy. The irony is what the topic is all about - some of the outright instigators and cheering section for islamic terrorism are now waging a PR campaign in the shadow of what used to be the World Trade center!

Neal decried their lack of judgement in their selection of lecturers, as well he might!

But silencing them is the last thing on my mind. If that were true, would I draw attention to them with this thraed?

I hope they include Akhmeninijad, Osama bin Laden, and King Saud next time, or maybe run similar ads across the street from the Jewish Center in Manhatten maintaining that the Holocaust never happened.

Its so surreal, I could never make it up, and would NEVER seek to silence them.

But I'll definitely poke fun at them, highlighting the ironic twists.

Had whoever is bankrolling this devoted equal time to lambasting the efforts of homicide bombers and al Qaeda types, and pointing out that they don't represent THEIR religion, that would have also gotten posted up here if I found a good source - but in a respectful tone. Same with Neal. He has been asking where Muslims of good conscience are that are speaking out AGAINST men like this for years.

[Andy Smith]

I didn't read the article at all Stan...just not a Neal Boortz fan. So what's the outrage then? I don't see it. Ads for Islam would be ok, just not on the NYC subway? Or just, as long as they're not financed by terrorists?

Don't forget Stan, prior to 9-11, the worst terrorist attack to occur in the US was carried out by Timothy McViegh (spits on the ground in disgust).

[tripleblack]

Andy, I can only refer you to the article and what I posted. Hit the link - it leads to an article in the New York Post, not Neal's site. Vintage V8 just got lost somehow. It's the idea of islamic terrorists contributing to an Islamic PR effort in New York, of all places. Like a known Nazi running PR ads in Tel Aviv.
Hoping to improve his "image".

LOL, you have to admire the gall, though. They obviously believe their target audience (and potential converts) are pretty darn dumb.

I have NO problem with them running the ads, though! I hope they spend every dime they raise from folks like CAIR, Hollywood, and the Saudis on things like this. Leaves less money for buying bomb supplies and flying lessons.

But this is a clear case where the medium destroys the message.

I don't single out islamofascists for ridicule - I have an equally jaundiced view of all mass-murdering scum, wherever they come from. If the KKK, neoNazis or whoever run a similar ad featuring their own flavor of terrorist as the star, count on me to poke a big pin in their over-inflated balloon.

Right now the KKK is pretty lame - the homegrown terrorists are staying home - but we have Islamic terrorist groups slamming babies into rocks and holding group hug sessions with Holocaust denying Nazis. So they get my attention.

I give algore heck as well, and its not because I somehow hate white American heterosexual Southerners.

Originally Posted by Andy Smith

I didn't read the article at all Stan...just not a Neal Boortz fan. So what's the outrage then? I don't see it. Ads for Islam would be ok, just not on the NYC subway? Or just, as long as they're not financed by terrorists?

Don't forget Stan, prior to 9-11, the worst terrorist attack to occur in the US was carried out by Timothy McViegh (spits on the ground in disgust).

[countymounty]

Don't forget Stan,
In 1972 at the Munich Olympics, athletes were kidnapped and massacred by Islamic extremists

In 1979, the U. S. embassy in Iran was taken over by Islamic extremists

During the 1980's, a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Islamic extremists

In 1983, the U. S. Marine barracks in Beirut were blown up by Islamic extremists

In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked and a 70-year-old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by Islamic extremists

In 1985, TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens and a US Navy diver was murdered by Islamic extremists

In 1988, Pan Am flight 103 was bombed by Islamic extremists

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed the first time by Islamic extremists

In 1998, the U. S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Islamic extremists

On 9-11--01, four airliners were hijacked and destroyed and thousands of people were killed by Islamic extremists

Also don't forget Stan, that in America even a child molesting, baby killing terrorist has freedom of speech…..but if you speak out against said terrorist you don’t have free speech you are a raciest! Bad Stan no bone for you!

I’m sure someone will try to deflect the Islamic connection, pointing at all the bad things Christians have done, even Hitler claimed to be Christian, but there is one big difference. Where in the new testament does it say kill all the Jews, where does it say spread Christianity by the sword and evoke violence, or molest alter boys? It doesn’t those things are in direct conflict with what Je$u$ was all about and told his followers to do.

Where in the Koran does it say, lie in wait and ambush your enemy, behead the non believer, kill the non believer and a special place in heaven is saved for you, 12-13 year olds are fun to marry and molest, kill or enslave anyone who dose not believe the same as you………….

Oh crap it really does say that, oh well I’m sure the “moderate” Islamic people don’t follow what their profit explicitly told them to do, I’m sure they are not lying in wait as commanded.

And remember don’t say anything bad about them….or you are a raciest!

[tripleblack]

Another view point on this topic:

Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com :: Moral Relativism Is Killing Our Country

I wonder how the native New Yorkers view this?

[shartley]

Yesterday when I was working I listened to a fantastic radio show that was a round table discussion on Islam and what is happening within it. I think people would like to know that there may very well be an uprising from what we consider "moderate" Muslims concerning the misuse of their Holy Scriptures to advocate violence and criminal acts. They explained many issues involved with the rise of radical Islam and how the extremists have simply been left unchecked for far too long and that the vast majority if Muslims follow their scripture correctly.

They went over how the religion was being used to support political views as opposed to the opposite (which should be done), and that the issues were NOT Muslim issues but that the scriptures were being used to support actions which go against Islam when taken in full context (both within scripture as well as current events).

I see this as a great start. I do not believe that Islam is the correct religion, and I believe that it has some real issues (women's rights for one) but I think the open discussion and call to arms (figuratively speaking) by leaders and scholars in the Muslim communities is a fantastic start.

[tripleblack]

Yes, its one of the more open secrets: The Wahabbists (/Salfi/Jehadists/extremist Sunnis), who number less than a third of the Muslim world, have little more respect for other flavors of Islam than they hold for Christians, Buddhists, or Hindus.

Oh, they reserve a particularly nasty role for Jews, but they cheerfully kill those competing Muslims too.

Shiites, who have their own "rock Islamic" groups like the Wahabbists (they have recently started to request the similar, older term "Salafi", so I use "Wahabbist"), also have no love lost in return.

Then there are the Asian tribes of Islam, particularly Indonesian, Malaysian and Filipino, and THEY have their own, unique, batch of extremists (NOT Islamofascists, no, more like Islamocommunists - a weird mixture if ever there was one).

Those who view the religion as somehow cohesive are mistaken. Just as the typical Baptist willfind little in common with, say, a Mormon or even a Roman Caholic, the branches of Islam have been growing further and further apart for centuries. (Of course, the competing sects of Christianity don't have large armies of terrorist activists bent on world domination, but hey, no analogy is perfect).

I, too, have seen what I think of as the "Islamic Reformation" occuring at a snail's pace - far removed from the extremist homelands of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, etc - or ANY country where Sharia Law is practiced - but still, it WOULD seem that there is a start.

What is lacking is the core organization - the central Lutherian figure - for the idea to coalesce around.

Christianity had their Protestant movement centuries ago, and it marked a turning away from the pursuit of secular power by the formal Church power structure.

It will be interesting to observe this nascent movement among the Muslims for signs of growth.

Originally Posted by shartley

Yesterday when I was working I listened to a fantastic radio show that was a round table discussion on Islam and what is happening within it. I think people would like to know that there may very well be an uprising from what we consider "moderate" Muslims concerning the misuse of their Holy Scriptures to advocate violence and criminal acts. They explained many issues involved with the rise of radical Islam and how the extremists have simply been left unchecked for far too long and that the vast majority if Muslims follow their scripture correctly.

They went over how the religion was being used to support political views as opposed to the opposite (which should be done), and that the issues were NOT Muslim issues but that the scriptures were being used to support actions which go against Islam when taken in full context (both within scripture as well as current events).

I see this as a great start. I do not believe that Islam is the correct religion, and I believe that it has some real issues (women's rights for one) but I think the open discussion and call to arms (figuratively speaking) by leaders and scholars in the Muslim communities is a fantastic start.