This guy is something else, and out of touch! When is the last time anyone here has had a "tune up"?? Sure if your car still has a distributor and points and made before the early 80's! He has not heard of electronic ignition? And for him to say that if everyone aired their tires up that it would save more oil than what we could drill for or produce! Run those numbers!
I don't think Obama knows what a dwell meter or a timing light is. Much less a rotor cap, points or a condenser is!lol
He is like a lot of other politicians, they think we are all a bunch of little five year olds and can't do anything with out the government holding our hands!
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This guy is something else, and out of touch! When is the last time anyone here has had a "tune up"?? Sure if your car still has a distributor and points and made before the early 80's! He has not heard of electronic ignition? And for him to say that if everyone aired their tires up that it would save more oil than what we could drill for or produce! Run those numbers!
I don't think Obama knows what a dwell meter or a timing light is. Much less a rotor cap, points or a condenser is!lol
He is like a lot of other politicians, they think we are all a bunch of little five year olds and can't do anything with out the government holding our hands!
You have to heat the shale (under pressure to remove the oil from the shale (which is quite energy intensive) and why it hasn't been done since the 70s.
Has nothing to do with energy policy, because it's not economical to get shale oil, unless oil is already expensive. (Those sources are already currently available for oil companies to extract)
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I think making our cars run at optimal conditions and making sure our tires are inflated to optimal pressure is important. It will NOT however offset the oil needs we have. It will save us all a little and our tires a LOT, but it is time that people in power realize we can not conserve our way out of this problem, nor will these little "changes" get us out of it either. We need to attack this problem on many levels and in many directions.
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Oil at $125/bbl IS expensive enough to make oil shale and oil sands potentially profitable. Actual exploitation would depend on the type of deposits, but would probably be pit mining such as is used to extract iron ore, copper, and some types of coal. Exxon/Mobil has a $8billion project running all out in Canada doing this right now - and WANTED to do the same here, with the idea being to mirror their efforts in Canada, before the US Senate canned the concept last month.
Drilling and core-sampling to test for shale deposits IS the primary method used - and both are regulated by the Feds, of course.
I believe that the estimates are that even at $85 per bbl, these alternative oil sources start to look feasible, even assuming there is no incentive other than financial (national security, reducing dependence on imported petroleum, keeping the economic benefits here at home, etc).
You have to heat the shale (under pressure to remove the oil from the shale (which is quite energy intensive) and why it hasn't been done since the 70s.
Has nothing to do with energy policy, because it's not economical to get shale oil, unless oil is already expensive. (Those sources are already currently available for oil companies to extract)
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The bit about keeping correct pressure in your tires DOES help mileage, so its on the list of things to do to help the situation (somewhere around #182, I think, priority-wise).
Filling your tires with Nitrogen might help a little, too.
Keeping cars in good repair and tune, sure, that's a good idea (#113 on my list of solutions)...
Where I part ways with this sort of nanny-solution is with the upside down priorities and lack of common sense.
We have a PROBLEM - one that is here NOW - and in 5 years - and in 10 years, etc.
A full-fledged, all-out PROGRAM might include all those hundreds of little things - and even some gambles on odd-ball solutions in alternative research like room temp fusion and superconductors, that, hey, MIGHT just hit a breakthrough!
But ignoring our current oil-based infrastructure and other fossil fuels (like natural gas, LPG and propane) that also have extensive infrastructure already here and useable...
That's crazy.
Pelossi may feel that including more oil exploration, drilling, refining and production in our national energy plan is a "hoax", but then again, she's a moron, and why should we believe her?
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tripleblack
"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
The bit about keeping correct pressure in your tires DOES help mileage, so its on the list of things to do to help the situation (somewhere around #182, I think, priority-wise).
Filling your tires with Nitrogen might help a little, too.
Keeping cars in good repair and tune, sure, that's a good idea (#113 on my list of solutions)...
Where I part ways with this sort of nanny-solution is with the upside down priorities and lack of common sense.
We have a PROBLEM - one that is here NOW - and in 5 years - and in 10 years, etc.
A full-fledged, all-out PROGRAM might include all those hundreds of little things - and even some gambles on odd-ball solutions in alternative research like room temp fusion and superconductors, that, hey, MIGHT just hit a breakthrough!
But ignoring our current oil-based infrastructure and other fossil fuels (like natural gas, LPG and propane) that also have extensive infrastructure already here and useable...
That's crazy.
Pelossi may feel that including more oil exploration, drilling, refining and production in our national energy plan is a "hoax", but then again, she's a moron, and why should we believe her?
As compared to whom?
They guy going to Saudi Arabia to beg for more oil?
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Originally Posted by tripleblack
Oil at $125/bbl IS expensive enough to make oil shale and oil sands potentially profitable. Actual exploitation would depend on the type of deposits, but would probably be pit mining such as is used to extract iron ore, copper, and some types of coal. Exxon/Mobil has a $8billion project running all out in Canada doing this right now - and WANTED to do the same here, with the idea being to mirror their efforts in Canada, before the US Senate canned the concept last month.
Drilling and core-sampling to test for shale deposits IS the primary method used - and both are regulated by the Feds, of course.
I believe that the estimates are that even at $85 per bbl, these alternative oil sources start to look feasible, even assuming there is no incentive other than financial (national security, reducing dependence on imported petroleum, keeping the economic benefits here at home, etc).
yeah, they were recruiting folks to move to Colorado when I was last in Nebraska to work on the shale deposits because it was again profitable. But it was so long ago, people with experience were hard to find. A lot of oldtimers were pretty excited about it.
They were running series on the Colorado ghost towns around the area that were preparing for the newbies, and whether or not oil would stay high enough long enough to make the investment worth it.
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Originally Posted by tripleblack
The bit about keeping correct pressure in your tires DOES help mileage, so its on the list of things to do to help the situation (somewhere around #182, I think, priority-wise).
Filling your tires with Nitrogen might help a little, too.
Keeping cars in good repair and tune, sure, that's a good idea (#113 on my list of solutions)...
Where I part ways with this sort of nanny-solution is with the upside down priorities and lack of common sense.
We have a PROBLEM - one that is here NOW - and in 5 years - and in 10 years, etc.
A full-fledged, all-out PROGRAM might include all those hundreds of little things - and even some gambles on odd-ball solutions in alternative research like room temp fusion and superconductors, that, hey, MIGHT just hit a breakthrough!
But ignoring our current oil-based infrastructure and other fossil fuels (like natural gas, LPG and propane) that also have extensive infrastructure already here and useable...
That's crazy.
Pelossi may feel that including more oil exploration, drilling, refining and production in our national energy plan is a "hoax", but then again, she's a moron, and why should we believe her?
Oil is coming down as more and more gas guzzlers are shoved aside for smaller more efficient vehicles - we traveled 90,000,000 miles last last year on top of it.
Right now, the value of the dollar is one of the biggest factors in the mix.
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Last edited by EagleAutosports; 08-02-2008 at 08:59 PM.
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Obama says air up those tires!! 
