Russia seizes Georgia base, opens 2nd front By MISHA DZHINDZHIKHASHVILI, Associated Press Writer
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TBILISI, Georgia - Russia opened a second front of fighting in Georgia on Monday, sending armored vehicles beyond two breakaway provinces and seizing a military base and police stations in the country's west, officials said.
The new forays into Georgia — even after Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili signed a cease-fire pledge — appeared to show Russian determination to subdue the small, U.S.-backed country, which has been pressing for NATO membership.
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If you can believe everything you read in the news, it would seem that this "Small, US backed Country" started the aggression against an even smaller group of mostly Russian people.
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So, your assertion is Putin's - that Georgia is the same as Hussein's Iraq? That Bush is backing a dictator?
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Dosen't sound like their getting much backing, does it. I'm not comparing Bush, Putin, or Saakashvili to Hussien, Stalin, or Hitler. Just saying Georgia might have considered the consequences before it kicked a sleeping bear.
That being said, the Ruskies sure didn't bother waiting for France, Germany, or the UN to weigh in before taking action, right or wrong.
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Dosen't sound like their getting much backing, does it. I'm not comparing Bush, Putin, or Saakashvili to Hussien, Stalin, or Hitler. Just saying Georgia might have considered the consequences before it kicked a sleeping bear.
That being said, the Ruskies sure didn't bother waiting for France, Germany, or the UN to weigh in before taking action, right or wrong.
Right, citing the Bush Doctrine to destroy a Democracy on its borders.
Bush provided the example, so that any nation may follow it.
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Oh, I forgot, everything screwed up since the beginning of time is Bush's fault.
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Cuba invades Florida
Day 1 to day 365: US asks for Sanctions. UN contiplates sanctions. France, Germany, Russia block sanctions.
Day 366 to day 700: US wants to use military. UN wants to give sanctions more time to work.
Day 701 Small news article page 6 NY Times: Russian, German, French UN delagates reportedly taking oil bribes from Cuba.
Day 800 US launches counter insurgency in Florida, against world opinion. Hard to tell the enemy combatants from the general population. Standing US president accused of war crimes, compared to Hitler, Hussien, Bush 43
Now, Imagine Georgia invades South Ossetia:
Day 1 to Day 4: Russia hits Georgia with everything it has. NY Times, Yahoo Reports Russian aggression against a US Ally, calls Bush/ Cheney Weak, Whiners.
Day 5 Georgia begs for a cease fire.
Day 10. Forgotten.
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BINGO! There you have it. According to some folks there is a direct link between any bad action committed around the world and President Bush (jr).
And if folks say it enough times it MUST be true.
Right, and Putin's mockery in his statement wasn't clear enough to you?
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Cuba invades Florida
Day 1 to day 365: US asks for Sanctions. UN contiplates sanctions. France, Germany, Russia block sanctions.
Day 366 to day 700: US wants to use military. UN wants to give sanctions more time to work.
Day 701 Small news article page 6 NY Times: Russian, German, French UN delagates reportedly taking oil bribes from Cuba.
Day 800 US launches counter insurgency in Florida, against world opinion. Hard to tell the enemy combatants from the general population. Standing US president accused of war crimes, compared to Hitler, Hussien, Bush 43
Now, Imagine Georgia invades South Ossetia:
Day 1 to Day 4: Russia hits Georgia with everything it has. NY Times, Yahoo Reports Russian aggression against a US Ally, calls Bush/ Cheney Weak, Whiners.
Day 5 Georgia begs for a cease fire.
Day 10. Forgotten.
er, S. Ossetia is part of Georgia.
Your fantasy re: the invasion of Florida sure displays your contempt for the effectiveness of the US Military - Would you rather live in Russia?
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Right, and Putin's mockery in his statement wasn't clear enough to you?
I hate to admit it, but I've been following this for quite some time, I'm siding with the Ruskies on this one. Although they (Russia) didn't want to give Georgia a place at the table, and un-dub-i-dub-ly are welcoming the chance to thrash the poo out of them, From all accounts our "Ally" seems to have attacked a neighbor (right or wrong, and ATTACKED, not merely invaded) without any regard for the consequences. WTF were they thinking? They couldn't possibly have expected any other outcome, could they? Unless you believe the Ruskies set this whole thing up, which is a distinct possibility, Bush is doing the right thing by standing back and whining.
So KS, I'm not sure if we agree on this one or not. Can't really tell how much of your post is sarcasm.
PS: It was nice of us to fly their Iraq contingent home for the festivities. What more could they ask for.
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er, S. Ossetia is part of Georgia.
Your fantasy re: the invasion of Florida sure displays your contempt for the effectiveness of the US Military - Would you rather live in Russia?
Then why are they shelling the $hit out of it?
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er, S. Ossetia is part of Georgia.
re: the invasion of Florida sure displays your contempt for the effectiveness of the US Military
Putting words in my mouth, I think very few would have taken that meaning. The contempt is for all the corrupt wet towels that inhabit the UN and most gvmts.
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Look at a freaking map, S. Ossetia is part of Georgia, N. Ossetia part of Russia. The second Province the Russians invaded is ALSO a part of Georgia.
Both areas are areas with oil, so the invasion has more to do with deepening the stranglehold Russia has with Europe in supplying oil and natural gas.
What actually happened would be more comparable to Mexican Americans fighting in Southern Texas to join Mexico, and taking the oil with them.
Or ethnic Russians in Alaska doing the same.
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The Wet Towels represent the will of the people.
It seems you would prefer a dictatorship, so long as you agree with the dictator.
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I hate to admit it, but I've been following this for quite some time, I'm siding with the Ruskies on this one. Although they (Russia) didn't want to give Georgia a place at the table, and un-dub-i-dub-ly are welcoming the chance to thrash the poo out of them, From all accounts our "Ally" seems to have attacked a neighbor (right or wrong, and ATTACKED, not merely invaded) without any regard for the consequences. WTF were they thinking? They couldn't possibly have expected any other outcome, could they? Unless you believe the Ruskies set this whole thing up, which is a distinct possibility, Bush is doing the right thing by standing back and whining.
So KS, I'm not sure if we agree on this one or not. Can't really tell how much of your post is sarcasm.
PS: It was nice of us to fly their Iraq contingent home for the festivities. What more could they ask for.
Then why are they shelling the $hit out of it?
Putting words in my mouth, I think very few would have taken that meaning. The contempt is for all the corrupt wet towels that inhabit the UN and most gvmts.
My understanding is that the region in question is part of Georgia and the inhabitants are rebels who WANT to break that part of the country away from Georgia and rejoin Russia. For their part, Russia has granted Russian citizenship to the rebels, even though they live in Georgia, not Russia. In other words, it would be like some of the citizens of San Francisco decided they wanted to be part of France, not the United States, and started fighting to break away from America. Further, it would be like France granting French citizenship to these folks without them ever leaving San Francisco. Finally, imagine if American troops went to stop the rebellion in San Francisco and France responded by sending troops into the United States to protect its 'citizens' - the rebels in San Francisco who do not live in France.
The Russians are invading a sovereign nation. They are doing it under the guise of 'protecting' their so-called citizens - who are actually rebels against the government of that sovereign nation. The Ruskies are manipulating the situation in the tradition of the good little KGB agent that Putin is..er...was.
If KS weren't so busy being 'clever', I'm sure he could explain the next part better than I. As he is more concerned with bashing Bush/Cheney (my complete disdain for Bush is no secret, so I can understand that impulse), I will give it a shot. The Bush connection (the way I see it) is that we (right or wrong) invaded a sovereign nation (Iraq) without clear provocation. Further, when no weapons of mass destruction were found and the idea of an Al Queda/Saddam connection was found to have no basis in fact, the justification (true or not) that Bush fell back on was that invading was the right thing to do in order to liberate people who were being oppressed. The Russians can use that same argument - the Georgians are oppressing the rebels by having the audacity of trying to stop them from rebelling. Is the Georgian government oppressive? I have no clue and it doesn't really matter. Right or wrong, Iraq set a precedent. We can hardly chide Russia for invading a sovereign nation without direct, clear provocation under the justification of freeing oppressed people when we are still involved in a war that was begun with that exact justification. Now, I am aware that this is likely a bit of a simplification, but that's the basics.
Basically, then, we are between a rock and a hard place on this one. We can't argue that Russia is doing the 'wrong' thing because we have done something similar in Iraq. So, do we stand up for our ally (Georgia) on the world stage and look like hypocrites for defending their actions with regard to the rebels? Do we criticize an ally (Georgia) for attempting to quell an uprising in their own country to avoid critizing the Russians? Do we admit that, no matter what our stance is, there is nothing much we can do? Do we send military resources to Georgia and risk conflict or even all-out war with a major nuclear power? Kind of an akward situation to be in.
Look at a freaking map, S. Ossetia is part of Georgia, N. Ossetia part of Russia. The second Province the Russians invaded is ALSO a part of Georgia.
So then why, I ask again, did the Georgians bomb the $hit out of their own territory?
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It seems you would prefer a dictatorship, so long as you agree with the dictator.
Again, putting words in my mouth. If by my saying that I side with the Ruskies on this one makes me a "dictator preferrer" so the same could be said about anyone who criticizes a(ny) democracy's dealings with a "non democracy".
Anyway, I guess that answers the question as to weather we agree.
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