No, I don't have kids, but what does me having kids or not having kids have to do with anything? Are you really implying that, should McCain die in office and Palin become president, she would be more skillful at influencing other world leaders, including those that don't even particularly like us, than influencing the decisions of her own, teenaged daughter? So it is easier to be a leader among the likes of Ahmadinejad or Putin than it is to keep a seventeen year old girl in line? Wow - being a parent must be some scary stuff.
What the heck are you talking about? Go read what YOU wrote, then my response to what you wrote. Stop changing the issue and the point of discussion. LOL My comments were about "leadership" and how that applies or does NOT apply to teenage children and how it is NOT a reflection of having or not having leadership abilities. LOL
But yes, parenting IS some scary stuff many times.
Dude.... get some rest.
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Your tap dancing now. I agree with you on the Hussain name and what his parents did (Obama) as the old saying goes , you can't pick your parents.
The real reason this is an issue is the fact that the left is scared to death of this woman. And in typical leftist fashion you destroy the lives of the person you hate and make their lives a living hell. Because they know that Paylin is a tough woman they can't debat her on issues. And as was pointed out the consent age in Alaska is 16. This is going to backfire big time on the Democrats.
And it also is pointing out the sheer hypocrisiy of the news media. Does anyone remember Gore's son? Biden's son? Edwards affair and love child? And other news that the media refused to touch because of the political persuasion of the person??
As far as her leadership abilities she has an 80+ percent approval rating among governors.
Nah, not really tap dancing, just asking questions and posing situations. Like I said, I really don't care how people feel about Palin. I will say that, while I definitely have my doubts about her, if the Republican ticket were reversed (with her as the Pres candidate and McCain in a VP role to help in an 'advisory' capacity) then I'd have to do more research on her but the Republicans just might have gotten my vote, this time. However, that isn't the case, McCain is still the Presidential candidate and I'm still planning to vote Barr.
I do think there is plenty of hypocrisy on both sides as to which issues one side or the other treats as 'fair game'. As you pointed out, why haven't we heard more about Al Gore (Jr.'s) drug conviction and why did it take the media so long to 'expose' Edwards' affair (despite the fact that any investigative reporter worth his notepad should have broken that story long ago?) Why is the fact that Obama has a broke-ass half brother living in a shack in Africa important while Palin's daughter should be off limits?
What the heck are you talking about? Go read what YOU wrote, then my response to what you wrote. Stop changing the issue and the point of discussion. LOL My comments were about "leadership" and how that applies or does NOT apply to teenage children and how it is NOT a reflection of having or not having leadership abilities. LOL
But yes, parenting IS some scary stuff many times.
Dude.... get some rest.
I know what I wrote and I know what I meant but maybe I wasn't communicating effectively. However, if I am understanding correctly, it is your opinion that a parent does not display leadership qualities in their relationships with their teenaged children. Okay, that (your opinion on the subject) is what I was trying to ascertain.
So if I am understanding correctly, it is your opinion that a parent does not display leadership qualities in their relationships with their teenaged children. Okay, that (your opinion on the subject) is what I was trying to ascertain.
No, that was NOT what I was saying. If you go back and read what I WROTE, it is clear that I was saying that you can not JUDGE a person's "leadership abilities" simply by the actions of their teenage children. There is much more to it than that. I also did not say a parent can not "display" leadership qualities in their relationship with their teenage children. A parent CAN. But you can anot make a judgment that they LACK leadership qualities, or are a POOR leader, simply because a teenage child does not do the right thing.
Teenage children are the "wild cards" and once they reach a certain age, no amount of "leadership qualities" will prevent them from doing the wrong thing. THEY have to make that choice at the moment of decision. And that is why I asked if you had any children of your own, or if you remembered YOUR youth.
A parent can do EVERYTHING right, and the child can still do the wrong things. To determine how the parent actually did you have to look at what the PARENT did, not what the CHILD did. They are not a direct reflection of each other in many cases.
And that was what I was getting at.
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I also did not say a parent can not "display" leadership qualities in their relationship with their teenage children. A parent CAN. But you can anot make a judgment that they LACK leadership qualities, or are a POOR leader, simply because a teenage child does not do the right thing.
And if you read what I WROTE, you will see that the question I posed was whether or not this REFLECTS on Palin's leadership abilities. I didn't say that this is conclusive proof that she has no such abilities, simply proposing that this COULD be one small piece of a very large puzzle in determining whether or not she is an effective leader.
I guess this is just on my mind because I just finished a class on leadership in my Masters program. See, I believe that parents and children do have a leader-follower relationship. Also, the actions of the followers definitely reflect on the leader. This doesn't mean that one bad choice or stupid decision by a follower automatically destroys one's credentials as a leader. However, the series of poor decisions made by her daughter - a follower - do have some significance when evaluating Palin's leadership abilities. Having some significance and completely discrediting her are two different things.
As far as my own youth, I think I probably stuck a little too much to the straight and narrow for my own good. Heck (just for the purposes of example) aside from the sip or two I was occasionally allowed at home, I didn't even drink until I was 21 and never tried pot despite the fact that I could have had easy access to both booze and weed and even attended parties where they were readily available. Sure, I didn't want to get in trouble but my biggest deterrent was the fear of disappointing my parents. In some ways, I was probably harder on myself than my parents were, so I'm probably not a good example of 'rebellious youth'. I can 100% guarantee you that I did not father any children at 17. To tell the truth, I find myself wishing I had been a little less of a 'good kid', but that is neither here nor there.
In all honesty, I think you have been arguing with KSCoyote for too long. He tends to argue in broad strokes and absolutes. The only absolute I believe in is that very little if anything in this life is absolute.
Screwing ones self out of childhood is a personal matter between child and another child. As long as the after-affects only impact the parents and grandparents and the typical social support network (WIC and maybe some Food stamps for a while) I have no other condeming opinion on the subject.
However, when it becomes a recurring breeding cycle like mice or rabbits with no end in sight it does tend to bring some emotions out in me. Especially when the intent of the breeding illegitimate parent is to treat their offspring like baseball trading cards at tax time, or to see how much more Earned Income Credit, Section 8 Housing, Hundreds of more dollars in Food Stamps and yada yada yada they can get.
Let me see, the original question was "Why does this matter?!"
Answer: I dunno. It probably doesnt matter, but I am curious how many Presidents or VPs had 3 generations in their Govt Quarters.
My mom is an elected county official. In her first election, her opponent tried to publicize my brothers "illegal mistakes" (you can see what my brother is like in another post "our wonderful court system"). Well, long story short, it didn't work as my mom is on her 3rd term and about to retire.
My point is I know politics are dirty and politicians seem to turn into children by "name calling" and "tatling", but we're electing her to do a job not raise a family. I'm not a republican nor will I vote for the current republicans and I try my best to steer clear of politics, but whether she has kids that make mistakes, LIKE WE ALL DO, or has the bilboard perfect family, the only thing she should be judged on is her job performance and how we think she will HELP lead this country. Now if she was encouraging her kids to go out and do drugs and get pregnant then that would be a definite character trait that would play a big role IF she was our VP.
On the subject of bad kids=bad parents or kids reflecting the way they are raised... Look at that thread about my brother. We were raised by the same parents, same house, same morals and the same everything. He chose a bad path and never turned back, as to where I looked at his mistakes and every day I try not to end up anything like him! So it's not ALWAYS the parents, although sometimes it is, it's the paths that the kids choose that makes them who they are.............
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