McCain's VP's daughter is pregnant... Big deal!
Why is this a big enough deal to where it has to be publicized on the news?!
I'm not a McCain fan or anything, I just think it's sad that this is even an issue! Does her daughter being pregnant really hurt the campaign? Obviously it does if it makes the news.
Why are we so judgemental that this is even an issue?!
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i agree this is like a never ending retarded soap opera.........
Couldn't have said it better myself!
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McCain's VP's daughter is pregnant... Big deal!
Why is this a big enough deal to where it has to be publicized on the news?!
I'm not a McCain fan or anything, I just think it's sad that this is even an issue! Does her daughter being pregnant really hurt the campaign? Obviously it does if it makes the news.
Why are we so judgemental that this is even an issue?!
It is an issue because the Republicans like to tout themselves as the party of 'morality' and 'family values.' Palin's underage daughter being pregnant out of wedlock does not exactly jibe with that image. One reason to add her to the ticket would be to appeal to conservatives and to the religious right who might view McCain's record as too moderate or even too liberal. Thing is, that is the group that is going to be the most 'judgemental' regarding pregnancy of an unmarried minor. That is what makes the pregnancy potentially such a big issue - the very group Palin is supposed to be helping McCain rope in is the group that will be most put off by this. Personally, I think people should look elsewhere besides politicians if they want someone to look to for a moral example. However, if you are setting someone up to help lead the country toward 'family values' but that person can't even lead her own children to such 'values' then, yeah, it becomes an issue.
you know what would be better is if the baby came out black and you just see Obama snickering in privacy haha...... and no everybody im not racist i just like a good laugh haha
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It is an issue because the Republicans like to tout themselves as the party of 'morality' and 'family values.' Palin's underage daughter being pregnant out of wedlock does not exactly jibe with that image. One reason to add her to the ticket would be to appeal to conservatives and to the religious right who might view McCain's record as too moderate or even too liberal. Thing is, that is the group that is going to be the most 'judgemental' regarding pregnancy of an unmarried minor. That is what makes the pregnancy potentially such a big issue - the very group Palin is supposed to be helping McCain rope in is the group that will be most put off by this. Personally, I think people should look elsewhere besides politicians if they want someone to look to for a moral example. However, if you are setting someone up to help lead the country toward 'family values' but that person can't even lead her own children to such 'values' then, yeah, it becomes an issue.
From what I understand, she is marring the father. You have to consider the abortion angle also. It looks good, or at least not a bad to the religious right that she is not getting one and marring the father.
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From what I understand, she is marring the father. You have to consider the abortion angle also. It looks good, or at least not a bad to the religious right that she is not getting one and marring the father.
Sure, it may not look as bad. That still doesn't change the fact that Palin's daughter is a minor who had (presumably unprotected) premarital sex and got pregnant out of wedlock. Honestly, if I were planning to vote for McCain in the first place (I'm not - nor Obama) then this wouldn't affect my decision. However, I'm also not part of the religious right to whom the Repubs obviously hope that Palin will appeal. Getting married (in their eyes) might be the 'right thing' to do, but doing so because she is already pregnant is sort of like closing the barn door after the cows have run away.
The thing that folks seem to ignore in all of this is that while under age, she is probably WELL over the legal age of consent in her State. So the matter of her being pregnant is NOT an issue that truly should affect/reflect on the Mother.
Once a child reaches a certain age (contrary to what some might like to think) the parent's roll is reduced to little more than feeding, sheltering, and attempting to guide the child's actions and decisions. But "control"? Not hardly.... unless you want to put them in a room and physically control every action they make.
Who here has teenagers? Who here has HAD teenagers? Now among those who just raised their hand, who can HONESTLY say they were able to MAKE the child do everything they wanted them to do or NOT do what they didn't want them to do. Now anyone who raised their hand again is either extremely naive and ignorant, or an outright liar.
We as parents can only do so much, and even in the most perfect situation the CHILD can toss a wrench into it all. No matter how good the parent is/was, the CHILD dictates what they do or don't do. The parent just reacts and hopes to influence situations as best they can. And in a family of many children you will almost always find one or two that act totally different
than the rest... yet they all had the same upbringing.
So no, sorry, this is not an issue which reflects on the parent... UNLESS every child does this type of thing and the parents simply don't care and encourage the behavior. You can count huge numbers of Preacher's children who get pregnant underage and unwed as well. So it is not a reflection by default on the parent, but DIRECTLY on the CHILD.
And the last time I knew, this CHILD was not running for any political office.
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The thing that folks seem to ignore in all of this is that while under age, she is probably WELL over the legal age of consent in her State. So the matter of her being pregnant is NOT an issue that truly should affect/reflect on the Mother.
Whether or not this is an issue that SHOULD reflect on the parents, some will consider it to be an issue that DOES reflect on the parents - and many of those will be among the religious right to whom Palin is supposed to appeal. In other words, maybe it shouldn't be an issue, but reality says that it is. Maybe the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein shouldn't be an issue, but reality says it is. From the 'devil's advocate' point of view, adapting your argument, maybe the fact that Obama's preacher, not Obama himself, expressed bigoted, anti-American sentiments from the pulpit should not reflect on Obama (after all, Wright isn't even Barry's kid - if parents can't control their kids' behaviors then how the heck is Barry O supposed to control Wright's behavior?) The fact is, however, that Obama's association with Wright means that Wright's actions DO reflect on Obama where you, I and many other Americans are concerned when deciding which way to cast their ballot this November. Likewise, the 'sins' of the daughter are sometimes visited on the mother. This girl is Palin's daughter, her minor child. Again, if she can't set the moral compass for her own family how could she be justified in pushing 'morality' on an entire nation? There is a saying in the South, "Sweep your own front porch before you talk about someone else's being dirty." How could Palin feel justified shoving 'morality' down the collective throat of the American public (which is what many of the religious right would like to see from the country's leaders) when her own daughter apparently didn't get the memo? Of course, my answer would be that politicians shouldn't be setting standards for morality and certainly not legislating it. However, once again, I'm not among the religious right to whom I believe McCain's camp hoped Palin would appeal.
Once again, I say that the issue doesn't impact my vote one way or the other. I wasn't voting for McCain before, but if I were planning to do so, the issue of the daughter of his pick for VP being pregnant would not sway me in the least - any more than Obama's middle name has influenced my decision not to vote for him (although I must admit that his choice of church and 'mentor' have influenced my opinion of ol' Barry.) Heck, my own sister got pregnant at about that same age (was 18 when my nephew was born) and 'had' to marry the guy. Should that have reflected on me or my parents? No. Did I feel that it did? Of course. Just because you, I or many others would not be swayed by this issue does not mean that it isn't an issue. In fact, I would say that if you are going to run for the highest office in the land - or to be just one heartbeat away from being called upon to fill that office - you had best be ready for your choice of breakfast cereals, or anything else directly involving you or your immediate family, to become an issue.
Whether or not this is an issue that SHOULD reflect on the parents, some will consider it to be an issue that DOES reflect on the parents - and many of those will be among the religious right to whom Palin is supposed to appeal. In other words, maybe it shouldn't be an issue, but reality says that it is. Maybe the fact that Obama's middle name is Hussein shouldn't be an issue, but reality says it is. From the 'devil's advocate' point of view, adapting your argument, maybe the fact that Obama's preacher, not Obama himself, expressed bigoted, anti-American sentiments from the pulpit should not reflect on Obama (after all, Wright isn't even Barry's kid - if parents can't control their kids' behaviors then how the heck is Barry O supposed to control Wright's behavior?) The fact is, however, that Obama's association with Wright means that Wright's actions DO reflect on Obama where you, I and many other Americans are concerned when deciding which way to cast their ballot this November. Likewise, the 'sins' of the daughter are sometimes visited on the mother. This girl is Palin's daughter, her minor child. Again, if she can't set the moral compass for her own family how could she be justified in pushing 'morality' on an entire nation? There is a saying in the South, "Sweep your own front porch before you talk about someone else's being dirty." How could Palin feel justified shoving 'morality' down the collective throat of the American public (which is what many of the religious right would like to see from the country's leaders) when her own daughter apparently didn't get the memo? Of course, my answer would be that politicians shouldn't be setting standards for morality and certainly not legislating it. However, once again, I'm not among the religious right to whom I believe McCain's camp hoped Palin would appeal.
Once again, I say that the issue doesn't impact my vote one way or the other. I wasn't voting for McCain before, but if I were planning to do so, the issue of the daughter of his pick for VP being pregnant would not sway me in the least - any more than Obama's middle name has influenced my decision not to vote for him (although I must admit that his choice of church and 'mentor' have influenced my opinion of ol' Barry.) Heck, my own sister got pregnant at about that same age (was 18 when my nephew was born) and 'had' to marry the guy. Should that have reflected on me or my parents? No. Did I feel that it did? Of course. Just because you, I or many others would not be swayed by this issue does not mean that it isn't an issue. In fact, I would say that if you are going to run for the highest office in the land - or to be just one heartbeat away from being called upon to fill that office - you had best be ready for your choice of breakfast cereals, or anything else directly involving you or your immediate family, to become an issue.
I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison between a pregnant daughter and Rev. Wright. In fact, it is actually a laughable comparison... so I will leave it at that.
But as for how the "Religious Right" is taking all of this... it seems to me that they are not making much of a deal about it, and in fact any deal they are making seems to be in support of the family. The only ones I see making a big deal out of it are far left nut-jobs and certain media outlets.
So my post aside, I see this really as a non-issue where the election is concerned except for those who would make an issue out of anything. And frankly you will never change their minds or votes anyways, so they are only really talking among, and to, themselves.
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Teenagers have raging hormones. You can bring them up in your image but at that crucial moment in the heat of battle, their brain disconnects. Unfortunate yes, parents to blame? Hardly. 17 is practically a legalized adult. Is it going to matter? doubt it.
By the way I see they have the boyfriend plastererd all over the place now. Sheesh.
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I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison between a pregnant daughter and Rev. Wright. In fact, it is actually a laughable comparison... so I will leave it at that.
The comparison was in response to your pointing out that parents don't always control their childrens' actions. I'm simply wondering, then, if it is fair of us to expect Obama to control the actions of another adult who isn't even related to him. Fair question, not a 'laughable' one, I think - but we can leave it there, if you wish. As I said, I'm not voting for either of them so attacking or defending is not my purpose - I don't have a dog in that particular race, as it were. My purpose has been to explain why this is an issue, not justify it being an issue.
One more thing, however. Morality and family values aside, would it not be reasonable to say that, at the very least, this could be seen to reflect on Palin's leadership abilities?
The comparison was in response to your pointing out that parents don't always control their childrens' actions. I'm simply wondering, then, if it is fair of us to expect Obama to control the actions of another adult who isn't even related to him. Fair question, not a 'laughable' one, I think - but we can leave it there, if you wish. As I said, I'm not voting for either of them so attacking or defending is not my purpose - I don't have a dog in that particular race, as it were. My purpose has been to explain why this is an issue, not justify it being an issue.
One more thing, however. Morality and family values aside, would it not be reasonable to say that, at the very least, this could be seen to reflect on Palin's leadership abilities?
Actually again, it is not a fair comparison. Wright is NOT Obama's child. Wright is a CHOSEN friend, mentor, and lead pastor of the church he CHOSE to be a member of. It is apples and oranges.
As or a teenager becoming pregnant being a reflection on "leadership abilities"... are you kidding? Do you HAVE kids? Do you remember BEING one? LOL Come on, you have to do better than that. You are not dealing with idiots here.
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As or a teenager becoming pregnant being a reflection on "leadership abilities"... are you kidding? Do you HAVE kids? Do you remember BEING one? LOL Come on, you have to do better than that. You are not dealing with idiots here.
No, I don't have kids, but what does me having kids or not having kids have to do with anything? Are you really implying that, should McCain die in office and Palin become president, she would be more skillful at influencing other world leaders, including those that don't even particularly like us, than influencing the decisions of her own, teenaged daughter? So it is easier to be a leader among the likes of Ahmadinejad or Putin than it is to keep a seventeen year old girl in line? Wow - being a parent must be some scary stuff.
The comparison was in response to your pointing out that parents don't always control their childrens' actions. I'm simply wondering, then, if it is fair of us to expect Obama to control the actions of another adult who isn't even related to him. Fair question, not a 'laughable' one, I think - but we can leave it there, if you wish. As I said, I'm not voting for either of them so attacking or defending is not my purpose - I don't have a dog in that particular race, as it were. My purpose has been to explain why this is an issue, not justify it being an issue.
One more thing, however. Morality and family values aside, would it not be reasonable to say that, at the very least, this could be seen to reflect on Palin's leadership abilities?
Your tap dancing now. I agree with you on the Hussain name and what his parents did (Obama) as the old saying goes , you can't pick your parents.
The real reason this is an issue is the fact that the left is scared to death of this woman. And in typical leftist fashion you destroy the lives of the person you hate and make their lives a living hell. Because they know that Paylin is a tough woman they can't debat her on issues. And as was pointed out the consent age in Alaska is 16. This is going to backfire big time on the Democrats.
And it also is pointing out the sheer hypocrisiy of the news media. Does anyone remember Gore's son? Biden's son? Edwards affair and love child? And other news that the media refused to touch because of the political persuasion of the person??
As far as her leadership abilities she has an 80+ percent approval rating among governors.
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