Apparently this was the result of a teacher run amuck.
A teacher has been suspended for posting a video of his Barack Obam slogan chanting, arm-waving drill team on YouTube.
The report from Fox News said the teacher, whose name was being withheld by the school district was suspended today for the video revealing his students chanting lines from Obama talking points and wearing military-style uniforms.
According to Fox News, the school learned about the posting of the video, called "Obama Youth – Junior Fraternity Regiment," and immediately took action. Obama commandos' teacher disciplined
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Apparently this was the result of a teacher run amuck.
A teacher has been suspended for posting a video of his Barack Obam slogan chanting, arm-waving drill team on YouTube.
The report from Fox News said the teacher, whose name was being withheld by the school district was suspended today for the video revealing his students chanting lines from Obama talking points and wearing military-style uniforms.
According to Fox News, the school learned about the posting of the video, called "Obama Youth – Junior Fraternity Regiment," and immediately took action. Obama commandos' teacher disciplined
And I say GOOD.
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Chants, but mis-pronounced (probably because the teacher's written study guides were mis-spelled).
I don't think so. I believe all the mispronounced words were because the students don't know how to talk correctly. Remember when e-bonics was seriously considered a "teachable" thing in public schools?
I am sorry, but our schools need to put more focus on the basics if we are going to even begin to raise our level of education/intelligence in these United States (catch that Trip? I thought you would like my use of words). The problem is NOT the ability of people to attend college because of financial reasons, but because we have dumbed down our population. We have lowered the bar for those who NEED to learn, while raising the bar for those who are supposed to teach them.
And we will not raise our level of actual knowledge and abilities in this nation by simply allowing anyone/everyone to attend college. We WILL raise our level of "education", but it will be a paper tiger only. And US colleges and universities will become the laughing stocks of the world, and NOT the place other countries send their students to go because they are "so good" (as it has been in the past).
The idea that simply handing over titles of education to the masses makes our nation "smarter" or "more able to compete" is as silly (and as dangerous) as thinking the solution to a bad economy is to simply print more money.
(But ask any Dictator throughout history and they will tell you it is easier to rule an ignorant and truly uneducated population than it is to lead a nation which is the complete opposite. Do we want a Ruler or a Leader?)
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The worst dumbing down has occured in the methods used to train and hire teachers.
Somehow it has become customary to teach teachers to "educate", rather than to teach them some subject or major specialty.
Now we see science teachers lacking a science degree - math teachers lacking a math degree - english teachers lacking an english degree - shoot, we're even seeing physics teachers lacking a physics degree!
Teachers are being taught HOW to "teach", instead of learning WHAT it is they are teaching!
Education degrees are replacing all the others - and those degrees are a joke. Look at the rigors imposed for graduation - compared to the difficulty in obtaining a hard science or math degree - and there IS no comparison.
Look at the overall grades (despite the much softer curriculum) of those who leave college theoretically equipped to become professional educators... Most graduate in the lower third of their class.
Anyone who doubts this is a problem must not have spent much time talking to their children's teachers.
We won't even talk about the concentration of leftwing ideology. The only place you find MORE socialists than in the typical public school teaching staff is in a media broadcast studio.
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The worst dumbing down has occured in the methods used to train and hire teachers.
Somehow it has become customary to teach techers to "educate", rather than to teach them some subject or major specialty.
Now we see science teachers lacking a science degree - math teachers lacking a math degree - english teachers lacking an english degree - shoot, we're even seeing physics teachers lacking a physics degree!
Teachers are being taught HOW to "teach", instead of learning WHAT it is they are teaching!
Education degrees are replacing all the others - and those degrees are a joke. Look at the rigors imposed for graduation - compared to the difficulty in obtaining a hard science or math degree - and there IS no comparison.
Look at the overall grades (despite the much softer curriculum) of those who leave college theoretically equipped to become professional educators... Most graduate in the lower third of their class.
Anyone who doubts this is a problem must not have spent much time talking to their children's teachers.
We won't even talk about the concentration of leftwing ideology. The only place you find MORE socialists than in the typical public school teaching staff is in a media broadcast studio.
You bring up some great points. I don't think that what you posted was the "worse" dumbing down, but I think it is on par with what I posted and some other issues which all work together to create a nation of sheep who THINK they are wolves. But I also believe that (and I eluded to it in my other post) this is what Socialists WANT as well as those who have a leftwing ideology. It is easy to gain and then maintain power that way.
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- Sam
The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
You bring up some great points. I don't think that what you posted was the "worse" dumbing down, but I think it is on par with what I posted and some other issues which all work together to create a nation of sheep who THINK they are wolves. But I also believe that (and I eluded to it in my other post) this is what Socialists WANT as well as those who have a leftwing ideology. It is easy to gain and then maintain power that way.
OK, I'll modify my position to add that I meant that its more serious for our society (aka, "worst") that we have destroyed the basis for creating good, qualified teachers in a systematic manner. The other education problems flow downstream (garbage in, garbage out) from this "original sin".
This is discrete from any political or ideological concerns, of course. Frankly, I have found that it is easier to counteract the overt political indoctrination they have attempted on my daughter than the incompetence which pervades the system.
Give me a competent socialist teaching science (which of course means that his politcal leanings are immaterial to the discussion of the topic - if what they do is seek to install their political agenda, they are not "competent") over an incompetent conservative any day.
IMO the first thing that needs addressing is the thinking that "education degrees" are a good idea in general as a replacement for deep knowledge in the core subject.
So long as this situation remains intact, efforts to improve the many other qualitative problems will just keep bouncing off the wall of basic ignorance present from the get-go. Hard to improve the education of the children when step one is RE-education of the teachers.
But I will readily grant that there are MANY "worst" cases in our system of education. This is probably just a pet peeve of my own.
I resent having to constantly re-educate her teachers (other than her math teachers - I am not so facile there as to be successful - I leave that subject up to my wife). Its particularly disturbing when I have to resort to the dictionary as step one...
And rarely are these teachers recent hires.
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OK, I'll modify my position to add that I meant that its more serious for our society (aka, "worst") that we have destroyed the basis for creating good, qualified teachers in a systematic manner. The other education problems flow downstream (garbage in, garbage out) from this "original sin".
This is discrete from any political or ideological concerns, of course. Frankly, I have found that it is easier to counteract the overt political indoctrination they have attempted on my daughter than the incompetence which pervades the system.
Give me a competent socialist teaching science (which of course means that his politcal leanings are immaterial to the discussion of the topic - if what they do is seek to install their political agenda, they are not "competent") over an incompetent conservative any day.
IMO the first thing that needs addressing is the thinking that "education degrees" are a good idea in general as a replacement for deep knowledge in the core subject.
So long as this situation remains intact, efforts to improve the many other qualitative problems will just keep bouncing off the wall of basic ignorance present from the get-go. Hard to improve the education of the children when step one is RE-education of the teachers.
But I will readily grant that there are MANY "worst" cases in our system of education. This is probably just a pet peeve of my own.
I resent having to constantly re-educate her teachers (other than her math teachers - I am not so facile there as to be successful - I leave that subject up to my wife). Its particularly disturbing when I have to resort to the dictionary as step one...
And rarely are these teachers recent hires.
Agreed. And I too have run into the same things (as I am sure you would have guessed). I don't mind so much a "general education degree" for teaching from K-5. But IMO once they reach Jr High the teacher doing the teaching should be a specialist in the area being taught (which you were saying loud and clear).
Once the classroom breaks down into specific areas of education, so should the teachers. And that is how it was when I was going through school. Sure, you would find a teacher who substituted in an area they were not an "expert" in, but you didn't find any teachers who's normal class was not what they specialized in and held real world experience or degrees in that area of study.
But I will add that it makes sense to mold the teachers at the same time you attempt to mold the society, if your goal is to be a socialist society and control the population. I will agree however that I too would rather have a competent socialist teacher than an incompetent conservative. It is much easier to un-brainwash (deprogram) a child or to simply tell the teacher to "stay on curriculum" than it is to have to actually teach the child what needs to be learned (if I wanted that I would home school my children.. which we did do for a while).
The more you think about things that have slowly gone on (as well as are in full swing now), it is pretty scary. We had better stop the pendulum before it goes so far in one direction that the time needed to bring it back is so great that we put our nation in even more grave danger.
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- Sam
The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
Well said. I particularly like the pendulum analogy.
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Originally Posted by shartley
Agreed. And I too have run into the same things (as I am sure you would have guessed). I don't mind so much a "general education degree" for teaching from K-5. But IMO once they reach Jr High the teacher doing the teaching should be a specialist in the area being taught (which you were saying loud and clear).
Once the classroom breaks down into specific areas of education, so should the teachers. And that is how it was when I was going through school. Sure, you would find a teacher who substituted in an area they were not an "expert" in, but you didn't find any teachers who's normal class was not what they specialized in and held real world experience or degrees in that area of study.
But I will add that it makes sense to mold the teachers at the same time you attempt to mold the society, if your goal is to be a socialist society and control the population. I will agree however that I too would rather have a competent socialist teacher than an incompetent conservative. It is much easier to un-brainwash (deprogram) a child or to simply tell the teacher to "stay on curriculum" than it is to have to actually teach the child what needs to be learned (if I wanted that I would home school my children.. which we did do for a while).
The more you think about things that have slowly gone on (as well as are in full swing now), it is pretty scary. We had better stop the pendulum before it goes so far in one direction that the time needed to bring it back is so great that we put our nation in even more grave danger.
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tripleblack
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Trip and Shartly, both of you are spot on. The education system in this country is pathetic and collage is nothing more than an extension of high school.
On the same note, last nite I was listening to A guy named Roger Hedgecock on XM, he was a mayor of San Diego Ca. and an "recovering lawyer" LOL. He did some research and found that ALL of the politicians and their top staffers who are involved with this whole financial mess and making the laws and regulations concerning banking and business have NO formal training or education in economics or business, they all have degrees in political science or social sciences. They have no idea how a business operates.
Starting to see the main problem now?
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