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Israel is getting hammered for the powerful military campaign they have launched against Hamas terrorists in Gaza. Their actions are being called "Criminal", "Pre-Emptive" and "Exaggerated".

I have to ask, though, what would America (or Russia or China, etc) have done if there was a group of morons raining rockets, missiles and homicide terror on our cities each and every day for years?

This garbage would not be tolerated for a second here, and I see no reason why Israel, who has been FAR more patient than we would ever be, should be sanctioned for defending their citizens in this case.

You Tube obviously disagrees, having jerked several videos showing the action (and the terrorists launching rockets at Israeli cities)...

Here's an Israeli site with a cool video, including the results of their Air Force retaliating (using American-made aircraft, yet):

The IDF Video Censored by YouTube - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News
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I have seen similar videos posted on the Jerusalem Post website a couple days ago where they showed the rockets being launched and soon after blown up a few seconds later by the Israelis. In some cases just before the rockets were even launched.
Those guys are good and they don't screw around.
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Israel is getting hammered for the powerful military campaign they have launched against Hamas terrorists in Gaza. Their actions are being called "Criminal", "Pre-Emptive" and "Exaggerated".

I have to ask, though, what would America (or Russia or China, etc) have done if there was a group of morons raining rockets, missiles and homicide terror on our cities each and every day for years?

This garbage would not be tolerated for a second here, and I see no reason why Israel, who has been FAR more patient than we would ever be, should be sanctioned for defending their citizens in this case.

You Tube obviously disagrees, having jerked several videos showing the action (and the terrorists launching rockets at Israeli cities)...

Here's an Israeli site with a cool video, including the results of their Air Force retaliating (using American-made aircraft, yet):

The IDF Video Censored by YouTube - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News
If Iran tries to wipe Israel out...they will be answering to Mr nuke...you see Mr nuke is not very forgiving^^
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If Iran tries to wipe Israel out...they will be answering to Mr nuke...you see Mr nuke is not very forgiving^^
Jimmah Carter should have gave them a sample when he had the chance.
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Maybe Israel will take care of the Iran problem for the rest of the world.


I agree with the original post. We all know full well what happens when a group of people attack the US on US soil once, let alone repeatedly for decades. But for some reason Israel isn't supossed to do the same, that's bogus.
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Israel is the victim all of a sudden? It wasn’t long ago that the UN set up Israel where they currently are by taking the land from the Palestinians. Then over the last what is it now, 50 years Israel has been slowly expanding their borders and taking more land from the Palestinians. I’m not taking sides here. I wish one side would just wipe out the other so this crap could be over, I don’t even care who comes out on top.

And trying to draw parallels between Israel and the US is just silly. The US is a country that doesn’t have a border dispute with its neighbors, let alone neighbors that won’t acknowledge that we are even a country. Israel is not made of Teflon. Look up how many UN sanctions that Israel has ignored or broken since they were GIVEN their land. There are no “good guys” in this situation. It’s all perception and spin.

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Israel is the victim all of a sudden? It wasn’t long ago that the UN set up Israel where they currently are by taking the land from the Palestinians. Then over the last what is it now, 50 years Israel has been slowly expanding their borders and taking more land from the Palestinians. I’m not taking sides here. I wish one side would just wipe out the other so this crap could be over, I don’t even care who comes out on top.

And trying to draw parallels between Israel and the US is just silly. The US is a country that doesn’t have a border dispute with its neighbors, let alone neighbors that won’t acknowledge that we are even a country. Israel is not made of Teflon. Look up how many UN sanctions that Israel has ignored or broken since they were GIVEN their land. There are no “good guys” in this situation. It’s all perception and spin.

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Yes, Israel IS the victim here. Not "all of a sudden" but from constant terrorist attacks from Palestine.

Has Israel been "perfect" and never done anything wrong? No. But they don't deserve the terrorist attacks nor the blind hatred the world in general seems to have for them. Further more, can you tell me when the last time "Palestine" was a self governing people and land?

Folks seem to think that Palestine was just "taken over" and given to the newly formed Israel. It was not. The land was never theirs to begin with, but has been under the control of one nation or another going back farther than anyone living there has been alive. Yet did they cause the problems they are now? hmmmm interesting.

Sorry, this is pure and simple antisemitism. Israel has done more for Palestine and given more to Palestine than anyone other nation would have done if in the same situation. And NO other nation would allow rockets to be continually launched into its civilian (or even military) areas without responding. And Israel is not "over reacting", but doing what is needed to stop the attacks.
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Please condemn the UN and not Israel. The UN is toothless and a tool that is used by everyone. The UN headquarters should be relocated into Palestinian territory where it can undergo urban revitalization at the hands of Israel.

Whether Israel was handed their land or not is irrelevant. What does matter is they are a sovereign nation. If land based rockets were shot into the US from Mexico not only would I insist we respond militarily, but that we annex land for a buffer zone.


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Israel is the victim all of a sudden? It wasn’t long ago that the UN set up Israel where they currently are by taking the land from the Palestinians. Then over the last what is it now, 50 years Israel has been slowly expanding their borders and taking more land from the Palestinians. I’m not taking sides here. I wish one side would just wipe out the other so this crap could be over, I don’t even care who comes out on top.

And trying to draw parallels between Israel and the US is just silly. The US is a country that doesn’t have a border dispute with its neighbors, let alone neighbors that won’t acknowledge that we are even a country. Israel is not made of Teflon. Look up how many UN sanctions that Israel has ignored or broken since they were GIVEN their land. There are no “good guys” in this situation. It’s all perception and spin.

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Please condemn the UN and not Israel. The UN is toothless and a tool that is used by everyone. The UN headquarters should be relocated into Palestinian territory where it can undergo urban revitalization at the hands of Israel.

Whether Israel was handed their land or not is irrelevant. What does matter is they are a sovereign nation. If land based rockets were shot into the US from Mexico not only would I insist we respond militarily, but that we annex land for a buffer zone.

yeah fortunately there not dumb enough for that...
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You are losing your way of life is deal with islam your way. It is all about blame and one book is going to be shoved down your throat is a jew tells you to take that Freddie Kneechee rant of laws and shove them up the moon's rear end... YOu better warn your childeen is moo ha deem is deem dose is KneeCheeze is what is wrong with humans are they do not leave you alone for your own thoughts on earth is point a finger at you and say it is your fault is that is some sad azz propaganda that is working so well in the world is that islam is winning and the world wants islam I guess is just let Israel stop killing that cult or does your daughter go off under the arms of a muslim is sell that to the highest bidder is a warlord or prince. Think about it. You are just an infidel is 1.5 hungry hard on's. That is 300,000 million of you is you know the, Tell E Bums? Those afgan criminals of islam go into villages, rape small boys called, "Pearls" in heaven is you rape the boy without facial hair is kill the old people and parents is find the virgin baby girls. They are the prize of islam is any non-believer is up for grabs is you are 5 billion infidels is we cult worship ears have your daughter is she a virgin? Then we are in good economic times is a prince and warlord are richer than any infidel is think about that when you hope the jews are wiped off the earth is the next finger pointing is someone else is going to be blamed being on this earth is who is the next jew is I am asking YOU!
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You are losing your way of life is deal with islam your way. It is all about blame and one book is going to be shoved down your throat is a jew tells you to take that Freddie Kneechee rant of laws and shove them up the moon's rear end... YOu better warn your childeen is moo ha deem is deem dose is KneeCheeze is what is wrong with humans are they do not leave you alone for your own thoughts on earth is point a finger at you and say it is your fault is that is some sad azz propaganda that is working so well in the world is that islam is winning and the world wants islam I guess is just let Israel stop killing that cult or does your daughter go off under the arms of a muslim is sell that to the highest bidder is a warlord or prince. Think about it. You are just an infidel is 1.5 hungry hard on's. That is 300,000 million of you is you know the, Tell E Bums? Those afgan criminals of islam go into villages, rape small boys called, "Pearls" in heaven is you rape the boy without facial hair is kill the old people and parents is find the virgin baby girls. They are the prize of islam is any non-believer is up for grabs is you are 5 billion infidels is we cult worship ears have your daughter is she a virgin? Then we are in good economic times is a prince and warlord are richer than any infidel is think about that when you hope the jews are wiped off the earth is the next finger pointing is someone else is going to be blamed being on this earth is who is the next jew is I am asking YOU!


I could not understand a single sentence of this entire post. Could someone translate or decipher please?
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I could not understand a single sentence of this entire post. Could someone translate or decipher please?

What the lad was saying is that with Islam and the propaganda mechiene in place has a winning pole placeing ahead of Jewish teachings, Becasue of this Islam has an ego. Lets say jewish practices are done with, who is next...there never going to stop hating people...its not just the jewish faith. BUT the ones making islam what it is are these terrorists networks that are brainwashingthe rest of the population to their way.
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Israel is the victim all of a sudden? It wasn’t long ago that the UN set up Israel where they currently are by taking the land from the Palestinians. Then over the last what is it now, 50 years Israel has been slowly expanding their borders and taking more land from the Palestinians. I’m not taking sides here. I wish one side would just wipe out the other so this crap could be over, I don’t even care who comes out on top.

And trying to draw parallels between Israel and the US is just silly. The US is a country that doesn’t have a border dispute with its neighbors, let alone neighbors that won’t acknowledge that we are even a country. Israel is not made of Teflon. Look up how many UN sanctions that Israel has ignored or broken since they were GIVEN their land. There are no “good guys” in this situation. It’s all perception and spin.

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As for these thoughts, remember, Israel was created after WWII and the Holocaust. My mid-20th Century world history is a little dusty but I think I recall something about the land being given to them as a safe place for them to live since obviously there was nowhere else for them on the planet. To say that Palestine was the victim here is to say that the UN has no authority to make pacts, treaties and other such things. In the short time that Isareal has had sovereign borders, they've been invaded and attacked countless times. Numerous times, cease fires and treaties have been violated and they've violated a few. They have the right and responsibility to defend their borders and their people, that's all there is to it.
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Up until the 1960's the majority of Palistinians lived in Jordan and Syria.
They tried a coup against the King of Jordan in the early 50's and he slaughtered them and ran the rest out of Jordan and soon afterward the King of Syria did the same.
The Arab world uses the Palistinians as a excuse to blame all of the problems of the Arab world on someone else instead of themselfs. If the Palistinians disappeared tomorrow they would find another excuse.

And also, thanks for the translation of the other post STANGMANSTEVE!!
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Up until the 1960's the majority of Palistinians lived in Jordan and Syria.
They tried a coup against the King of Jordan in the early 50's and he slaughtered them and ran the rest out of Jordan and soon afterward the King of Syria did the same.
The Arab world uses the Palistinians as a excuse to blame all of the problems of the Arab world on someone else instead of themselfs. If the Palistinians disappeared tomorrow they would find another excuse.

And also, thanks for the translation of the other post STANGMANSTEVE!!
The whole situation is complex at best...that and these wars have been going on since the dawn of creation there in the middle east. soo. yeah. its a big BIG mess. The US is a relative "Newcomer" into this situation...but we are as well a new nation technically...really ever since Thomas Jefferson have we been flying cannon balls through towns because "they called us infedells" Thus have raided our ships accordingly. Guess what guys and gals, that hasn't changed, and never will. They choose to hate us because we are diffrent and that we are not Islam even though I have many Islamic friends (im Catholic). But im still the enimy aparently because we are American, pure and simple. Thats pritty much it, and the fact that we have more stuff then they do, thats really why there mad at Israel as well...they took that section of the middle east that was dessert and made it breathtakingly beautiful. The palastinians where migrating tribesmen...They didn't own jack for hundreds of years there just like the kurds and then all the sudden the care and say "We want our land back". Well palistine...Im sorry to tell you this but you snooze, you loose...get used to it. Palastine should have thought of that a little earlyer...like how about 500 years or more ago...

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