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Old 02-13-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default President Obama and the Terrorists

Well, we all know about Club Gitmo. No more, closed down per President Obama's order, as promised during the election.

Wow, WHAT a change!

Washington Times - EDITORIAL: Obama's outrageous oversight

And who would have thought that a Harvard Lawyer would make such a bonehead move?

Ah, well, it really IS tougher in the Bigs, isn't it?

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Case in point: the president's knowledge of the role of the Classified Information Procedures Act or CIPA. This law governs the way in which classified information is used in trials. The Sixth Amendment guarantees defendants the right to confront their accusers and the evidence against them, but the government has an important interest in cases such as these in keeping sources and methods secret. Under CIPA rules, in cases where classified information is used, the government has the option of sharing the information with the defendant, or not using it.

The Bush administration sought to avoid this potential national security threat by resorting to other procedures in which 6th Amendment issues did not arise. But President Obama believes that the model for terrorism cases is the prosecution of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers. Of course a number of those plotters escaped justice (some were found later hiding in Saddam's Iraq, but that's another story). More important, because of the openness of that process, al Qaeda learned a great deal about how to do a much better job next time - and even the classified information from that trial was in Osama bin Laden's hands within weeks.

The terrorists have learned a great deal about conducting legal guerrilla war, using rules like CIPA to their advantage. Notice that more and more terrorists are dismissing their appointed lawyers and representing themselves. This gives them direct access to the classified documents that will be used in evidence against them. In this way they can learn about U.S. intelligence sources and methods - how they were targeted, what information was collected, and who may have been the traitors in their midst. Even if the names of sources are omitted, for example someone who was present at a key planning meeting, the terrorist defendant will know enough about the circumstances to be able to narrow it down. After all, the terrorist is familiar with every aspect of the events; he knows much more about them than the intelligence community.

The alternative to handing over the secrets is for the government to not use the evidence in question. That creates the incongruous situation in which the defense wants to maximize the amount of evidence that implicates them, and the prosecution wants to minimize it. (Our legal system was not designed to accommodate defendants who welcome being put to death.) According to Ms. Burlingame, Obama's answer to this conundrum was "there is no reason we have to give [the terrorists] everything." Evidently the former editor of the Harvard Law Review seems to think that one of his powers as president is personally to pick and choose which constitutional rights apply to terror defendants and which do not. That's the very thing they were criticizing President Bush for.[quote]
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what a start hes off too...
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It just gets worse every day.
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But you see it is EASY to sit on the outside and make judgments and complain about things...... once you are in the position to KNOW things and DO things it changes. So why not change the rules when you are in power? Didn't Obama run on "change"?

This is a sticky situation and is why things went as they did. And it is a good example of how our own rules are used against us and thus the deck is stacked.

I miss the good old Cold War and relative ignorance of the general population. Some things belong behind closed doors and out of public view and debate.... for good reason.
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But you see it is EASY to sit on the outside and make judgments and complain about things...... once you are in the position to KNOW things and DO things it changes. So why not change the rules when you are in power? Didn't Obama run on "change"?

This is a sticky situation and is why things went as they did. And it is a good example of how our own rules are used against us and thus the deck is stacked.

I miss the good old Cold War and relative ignorance of the general population. Some things belong behind closed doors and out of public view and debate.... for good reason.
It all changed with the "Pentagon papers" nothing has been the same since.
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Yup, this is DEFINITELY a change alright.
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can someone please tell me how to start my own thread/ forum i am haveing trouble starting one dont know where to start thanks
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Go the forum you wish to start a thread in an click on the new thread icon at the top left.
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Alright!!!
Now I can sleep better at night!
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How do the families of soldiers on the U.S.S. Cole feel now ?
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In case you missed the other post.
More fuel on the fire!

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How do the families of soldiers on the U.S.S. Cole feel now ?

FEELINGS?!!!! Pressident Hussane fed the sheeple change. Not feelings! Put both together and that wont work out so good!
I for one is f-ing I-RATE when I comes to closing it. But hey if you seen on cnn they were asking people if the teen age boy that was being held should be free or tryed. Should he be free?!! I'll have to get back to you cnn and think hard about that one!
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The concern now is to setup a welfare program for the terrorists once they are released right here in the U.S.

For some odd reason, they might find it difficult to find a job!

ROTFL.
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[quote Neal Boortz]
Iran's Guardian Council has admitted that there were some irregularities in the presidential election. Gee, ya think? It said that the number of votes collected was greater than the number of eligible voters ... we are talking about 3 million questionable votes. But Iranian authorities have ruled out the possibility of nullifying the vote.

Meanwhile, did you hear what Moonbat Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had to say about the election? You'll find this statement humorous:
"In Western countries, democracy is 100% controlled and people's role is ceremonial. But, what happened in Islamic Iran was the true manifestation of the nation's resolve and determination ... Following Iran's election, the US and British leaders became concerned about their own existence and launched a sinister effort to defend the oppressive system that they have imposed on the world ... Today, the enemies are upset because a nation has understood its capacity and is turning into a role model for the international community."
I want to know just when he hired Obama's speechwriters .... Or are they on loan? [quote]

Yep. Next thing you know, Akhmadmaninashed will hire ACORN for his next campaign...
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He's been reading Obama's new Dictionary apparently.
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