AFM Web

Go Back   Ford Mustang Forums > Community Forums > Shoot The Breeze > Hot Zone
Welcome to AllFordMustangs.com. We look forward to you registering on our forum and making your first post.
Reply
 
Old 09-17-2009   #1 (permalink)
countymounty is offline Forums Moderator

Classic Member
4.6L Member
5.0L Member


Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,290 Threads: 218
 countymounty's Country Flag  View countymounty's 38 photos
Midwest   Missouri
Send a message via Yahoo to countymounty
Default Up next, Sword Control!

The DA would determine whether he will be charged in the incident………charges, give that guy a medal!

He saved the tax payers and a bundle! The scumbag had 29 prior convictions.

Sword-wielding Hopkins student kills intruder -- baltimoresun.com
__________________
So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. -Jesus

-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
countymounty is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #2 (permalink)
2oo5GT is offline Senior Member


Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,167 Threads: 5
 2oo5GT's Country Flag  View 2oo5GT's 33 photos
Mountain Home AFB   Idaho
Default

I don't think there should be any charges but killing someone with a sword is somewhat harsh. But you don't go towards a 21 yr old that has a sword(scared sh*tless) and try to pin them. You end up getting cut.
__________________
1995 Mustang GT-Heavily Modded-Sold
2003 Ford Lightning-Sold
1997 Saleen-5.4 conversion-Sold
2005 Mustang GT-Torch Red-Sold
2003 Mustang Cobra-Oxford White
2003 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4X4
2oo5GT is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #3 (permalink)
tripleblack is online now Forums Moderator

4.6L Member


Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 14,710 Threads: 700
 tripleblack's Country Flag  View tripleblack's 48 photos
Atlanta   Georgia
Default

The tendency is for the dominant Left to view self-defense as a form of vigilantee behavior.

"Miss, you may have charges brought against you for killing that man. Yes, we know he was raping you, but its never a good idea to take the law into your own hands....

"What should you have done instead? Wait until the event was over - oh, and we have determined that words like "rape" are just too loaded with unfortunate conotations, let's use the phrase "allegedly nonconsensual sex", shall we? Anyway, you should have just let the event conclude, and then called the police at your earliest opportunity".

The joys of truly civilized and politically correct thinking.
__________________
tripleblack

"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
tripleblack is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #4 (permalink)
09V6Vapor is offline Rookie

V6 Member
S197 Member


Joined: May 2009
Posts: 18 Threads: 2
 09V6Vapor's Country Flag
Edmonton   Alberta
Default

Wow. Just the thought of him being charged kinda makes me angry. As far as I'm concerned, as soon as the the guy crossed over the property line he was at his own risk and he pretty much got what he deserved. I can't say that I wouldn't have grabbed soething to defend myself with before walking out of the door to check the garage. At my house it would have been a machete that I keep with my hiking gear cuz it's in the closet by my back door.

Others may not agree but I say good for him.
__________________
Current Cars:
2009 V6 Pony Package - Stock for now
Fiance says the wedding comes first
1980 Trans Am - Drag Car
1975 Duster - Resto Project

Previous Cars:
2005 F-150 XLT 4x4 - Sold It
2005 V6 Mustang Silver - Wrecked it
09V6Vapor is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #5 (permalink)
JEB
JEB is online now Top Dog

4.6L Member
S197 Member


Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,297 Threads: 61
 JEB's Country Flag  View JEB's 13 photos
Vicksburg   Mississippi
Default

He should've said it was a gay sex ritual, and then it would be fine..
__________________
I Hate GM, deal with it.
One shot, One Kill! Don't waste ammo, it's pricey!
2005 GT Screaming Yellow: SLP Loudmouths
Ibanez guitars, S&W revolvers, Glock Semi's
Republican write in Presidential Candidate 2012
JEB is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #6 (permalink)
BlueStreak03 is offline Top Dog


Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 11,132 Threads: 395
 BlueStreak03's Country Flag  View BlueStreak03's 78 photos  View BlueStreak03's 5 products for your review
Trinity   North Carolina
Send a message via AIM to BlueStreak03 Send a message via Yahoo to BlueStreak03
Default

Charges? The guy defended himself. Not even his property. He waited until the burglar was accosting him before he used the sword. That's straight up self defense in the strictest definition of the term. Only someone who buys into the Obama Dictionary would try to charge this student with anything.
__________________
Sometimes I think that government fits that old-fashioned definition of a baby: An alimentary canal with an appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
- Ronald Reagan

Stangless...for now
BlueStreak03 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #7 (permalink)
2oo5GT is offline Senior Member


Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 2,167 Threads: 5
 2oo5GT's Country Flag  View 2oo5GT's 33 photos
Mountain Home AFB   Idaho
Default

"As in most states, self-defense in Maryland is defined by common law rather than by statute. People who confront intruders inside their homes have a greater degree of latitude to use force, and prosecutors consider whether to file charges in such incidents on a case-by-case basis."
"One can genuinely and reasonably be in fear of one's own safety even if the burglar is unarmed," said Andrew D. Levy, a Baltimore defense attorney and an adjunct professor at the University of Maryland School of Law. "But nonetheless, it would be something that a good prosecutor would consider."

He should have shoved it through his chest and claimed the burglar fell on it.
__________________
1995 Mustang GT-Heavily Modded-Sold
2003 Ford Lightning-Sold
1997 Saleen-5.4 conversion-Sold
2005 Mustang GT-Torch Red-Sold
2003 Mustang Cobra-Oxford White
2003 4Runner V8 Sport Edition 4X4
2oo5GT is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2009   #8 (permalink)
JEB
JEB is online now Top Dog

4.6L Member
S197 Member


Joined: May 2005
Posts: 4,297 Threads: 61
 JEB's Country Flag  View JEB's 13 photos
Vicksburg   Mississippi
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2oo5GT View Post

He should have shoved it through his chest and claimed the burglar fell on it.
Nah, then the burglar's family would sue him for liability
__________________
I Hate GM, deal with it.
One shot, One Kill! Don't waste ammo, it's pricey!
2005 GT Screaming Yellow: SLP Loudmouths
Ibanez guitars, S&W revolvers, Glock Semi's
Republican write in Presidential Candidate 2012
JEB is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-18-2009   #9 (permalink)
ONEZ ST is offline Senior Member

S197 Member


Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 2,181 Threads: 155
 ONEZ ST's Country Flag  View ONEZ ST's 4 photos
SPS   Texas
Default

This is probably the best PR John Hopkins ever got . . . or maybe not.

Warpped to a degree . . . medical student takes life.

Hypocritical Oath you might call it.
ONEZ ST is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009   #10 (permalink)
JB02GT is offline Senior Member

4.6L Member


Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,737 Threads: 131
 JB02GT's Country Flag  View JB02GT's 10 photos
The Hills of East   Tennessee
Default

From the article:
Quote:
In Maryland, Gray said, an individual is not expected to retreat from suspected danger in his own home. But it is unclear how the law applies to an enclosed backyard.
I'm glad the laws in my state address this. In TN, we have no duty to retreat as long as we are legally allowed to be in a location and not engaged in illegal activity (whether we are in our home, on a public sidewalk or wherever.) Further, we are justified in using deadly force if we have a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury and the law specifically says that we are automatically assumed to be justified in such fear if someone illegally enters or is attempting to enter our residence. Further, the law specifically spells out that a porch, the 'curtilage' (yard) and any buildings included in such curtilage are considered to be part of our residence. Of course, we are not allowed to use deadly force specifically to protect property but if we take a weapon with us to investigate a noise and are then attacked then the force is being used in self-defense, not defense of property. In other words, in the state of TN, as long as events really went as this article say they went, the law would protect the homeowner - or, in this case, the renter.

As in so many cases where a gun is blamed for gun crime, there is a tone to this article that seems to want to focus on the weapon used rather than the simple fact that this was self defense. To me, self defense is self defense I don't care if the assailant is shot, stabbed with a butcher knife (or a sword) or has his skull split with a stone axe.

Further, what the hell does it matter if he had training with the sword or not? It's like studying whether a resident who shoots an intruder in self defense goes to the shooting range regularly.

And the dumba** quote of the article goes to Dibble:

Quote:
"To be that confident with it that he would go grab it, he may have been into martial arts," he said. "You would have to hold it with two hands and be confident that you would really know what you were doing."
What? This guy manages to defend himself with a sword and suddenly Dibble assumes the guy is training to be the next Bruce Lee? Just because a person grabs what is handy to use in self defense does not mean that person has advanced, formal training with that item. Heck, a few months back a 17 year old used a space heater to defend his mom from intruders - bashed one of the intruders in the head and killed him. So was that kid a master of the deadly, ancient art of smallappliancefu? I am pretty confident in my ability to defend my home with my 12 gauge, I generally hold it with two hands and am confident that I know what I am doing - heck, I even practice with it some, on my own - but I wouldn't exactly compare myself to John Rambo.

Of course, my feeling is that he got lucky with the sword and might want to consider other options for home defense. He can pick up a NIB Maverick Security 88 for about what is sounds like he paid for that sword - maybe less.
__________________
2002 GT, 5 speed, Zinc Yellow
BBK CAI, Flowmaster cat-back

The secret to a happy ending is knowing when to roll the credits - Drive-by Truckers lyric

Some say, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." It is wise to remember, though, that sometimes the enemy of your enemy hates your guts, too. - Me.
JB02GT is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009   #11 (permalink)
StukaJU87 is offline Apprentice

Classic Member
4.6L Member


Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 211 Threads: 2
 StukaJU87's Country Flag  View StukaJU87's 5 photos
Bergen County   New Jersey
Default

These laws vary widely from state to state. I am fairly certain that in NJ the kid would be going to jail for manslaughter. He was safe in his house. He heard a noise outside in the garage. He should have called the police. Instead, he left the safety of his house with a weapon to go out of his way to confront someone outside. That is the job of the police. I hope it works out for him because I AM a fan of being able to protect EVERYTHING that is yours.
StukaJU87 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009   #12 (permalink)
countymounty is offline Forums Moderator

Classic Member
4.6L Member
5.0L Member


Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,290 Threads: 218
 countymounty's Country Flag  View countymounty's 38 photos
Midwest   Missouri
Send a message via Yahoo to countymounty
Default

No the job of the police is to show up after the crime and write a nice written report on it. There are times when calling the police is the smartest thing to do. In this case a call to the police probably would of ended up having the cop ask if you had any serial numbers for the stolen items he got away with, or if your real lucky they would of picked him up, put him in jail for a night then have him get out and break in to another house the following night. The founding fathers of this country knew you had the right to defend yourself and your property. You can’t use lethal force to protect property but if you go without a weapon it may be a lethal force encounter….against you. If the scumbag is dumb enough to lunge at someone with a gun or sword then too bad.
__________________
So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. -Jesus

-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
countymounty is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009   #13 (permalink)
Punxsy Stang is offline Senior Member

V6 Member
4.6L Member


Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,930 Threads: 19
 Punxsy Stang's Country Flag  View Punxsy Stang's 23 photos
Punxsutawney   Pennsylvania
Default

post # 5 is just wrong on many levels ! where are the mods at ?
__________________
1998 3.8 mustang , orange , cobra hood , wings west body kit , clear diamond cut head lights - side lights , GT fog lights , H pipe - new GT exhaust , CAI , UDP

And more to come as I get the $$$$$ LOL

2001 3.8 mustang wrecked ...... winter project car
03 cobra hood
grille delete kit w/ pony
Punxsy Stang is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-21-2009   #14 (permalink)
BlueStreak03 is offline Top Dog


Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 11,132 Threads: 395
 BlueStreak03's Country Flag  View BlueStreak03's 78 photos  View BlueStreak03's 5 products for your review
Trinity   North Carolina
Send a message via AIM to BlueStreak03 Send a message via Yahoo to BlueStreak03
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by StukaJU87 View Post
These laws vary widely from state to state. I am fairly certain that in NJ the kid would be going to jail for manslaughter. He was safe in his house. He heard a noise outside in the garage. He should have called the police. Instead, he left the safety of his house with a weapon to go out of his way to confront someone outside. That is the job of the police. I hope it works out for him because I AM a fan of being able to protect EVERYTHING that is yours.
And there's a case where the Constitution is abridged by a State government and that government needs to get smacked. Remember, the Second Ammendment is NOT limited to firearms.
__________________
Sometimes I think that government fits that old-fashioned definition of a baby: An alimentary canal with an appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
- Ronald Reagan

Stangless...for now
BlueStreak03 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2009   #15 (permalink)
countymounty is offline Forums Moderator

Classic Member
4.6L Member
5.0L Member


Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 4,290 Threads: 218
 countymounty's Country Flag  View countymounty's 38 photos
Midwest   Missouri
Send a message via Yahoo to countymounty
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Punxsy Stang View Post
post # 5 is just wrong on many levels ! where are the mods at ?
People in the Hot Zone need to be prepared for controversial topics, that’s what the hot zone is about. In the Hot Zone some things stated are opinions, some things are fact. Just what rule do you think was broken?

JEB’s comment was directed more toward liberals, in some areas liberals make comments like, the DA will determine if charges are filed against this guy who defended himself………..

Or here is one…liberal areas have large populations of liberal organizations like PETA……but when was the last time you heard PETA cry about people shoving hamsters up their bum?

I am a conservative but the truth is the truth, someone could also say conservative areas have conservative organizations like Fred Phelps…..we may not like it but just because we don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t around or that we should remove all references to it……..unless your Muslim, then everything that is offensive is removed to cater to them………
__________________
So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. -Jesus

-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
countymounty is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools


sponsors

Mustang Photos
Add to Favorites    Link to us    Contact    Directory    Site Rules    Archive    Terms of Use    Privacy    Top Sites    RSS    Meet Our Sponsors    Advertise   
AllFordMustangs is not affiliated with or endorsed by Ford Motor Company. ©Copyright 2002-2010 All Auto Enthusiasts Network

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112