No matter what you think of him he is dead on target on this issue. As myself and others have said on this site race will be used to silence the opposition. If you do not support certain policies then you will be labeled a racist or worse.
This is a dangerous road to go down in a Representative Republic like ours.
But lets not forget that "reverse racism" is perfectly OK and oh so P.C. these days. Al Sharpton built his career on it. There are also a ton on comedians who have become millionaires on that act alone.
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um.... there is no such thing as "reverse racism"..... racism is racism. Period.
I know what you meant, but I think by calling it anything other than what it is only hurts the issue overall.
Eggzactly!
Rush is my man. Is he a man without flaws? Is anyone? No.
I have never heard him say anything that I thought was racist.
That includes his comments on McNabb. He was making an observation, and hell, I think he was right.
He is dead on as to the character assassination that he is going through right now. But, luckily for his fans (that in cludes me) he is too big for them to kill. If the radio stations are forced to drop him, he'll go to satellite, and I'll become a customer, like many millions of others.
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No radio station in their right mind is going to drop a Limbaugh, Beck or Hannity right now without federal order to do so. It would be business suicide in this economy to willingly drop one of your most listened to programs.
The left has already tried killing Beck by throwing the race card into the mix and that backfired sorely on them. I say let 'em keep throwing it. It only makes the right side a little more popular and powerful.
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SO the NFL owners won't let Rush into their little private club. Boo-freakin' - hoo. He'll get over it. I don't care what his views are, the guy is lightning rod and the owners don't want to risk getting burned. It's their club and they get to decide who can join.
I have no sympathy.
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So you don't care about the slander and libel levelled against a private citizen of the USA?
That's a very interesting point of view.
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The issue is not that Rush was denied ownership.... the issue was WHY, and how it all happened.
Think of it like this.... a man goes in for a job, he is denied the job and it is given to another person. That's life, right? Well, yes.
But if he was denied that job because of the color of his skin, or because someone outright lied about him, then it is NOT "life", it is WRONG. And in many cases it is ILLEGAL.
The same type of thing applies to renters, and other things where discrimination is illegal based on certain things.
This is what happened to Rush. The reasons and the actions which surrounded it were not simply that he is a "lightening rod", but because of racial, political, and LIES. Him being a "lightning rod" was well known before THEY approached HIM. He warned them that there may be issues, and he was assured that all the right people had given them the green light. Well.... that was until racism (against RUSH), political issues based on differing views, and LIES were brought into it all.
And this went from the two most Racial figures out there (Sharpton and Jackson), on to the major News Networks who didn't bother to "fact check" their stories and claims they were reporting on, Reporters who didn't CARE about the truth, and all the way up to the Floor in Washington with ignorant politicians spouting their hate and lies. Rush was a PRIVATE CITIZEN. And yet all this power was brought to bear against him.
Oh yes, this issue is far more than Rush simply being denied the opportunity to be a partial owner of an NFL team. Heck, people get turned down for that all that time. This is much much more than that....
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SO the NFL owners won't let Rush into their little private club. Boo-freakin' - hoo. He'll get over it. I don't care what his views are, the guy is lightning rod and the owners don't want to risk getting burned. It's their club and they get to decide who can join.
I have no sympathy.
Ok, so applying your reasoning here:
I am business owner. I only want to have Cajuns as employees.
If I did this, and only hired Cajuns, I would be subjected to lawsuits from every direction.
Or, I decide to start the Crawfish Competitive Eating League. Only Cajuns are allowed to own teams in this league. Same deal, I'd be sued, and forced to allow anyone that wants to own a team, own a team.
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I am business owner. I only want to have Cajuns as employees.
If I did this, and only hired Cajuns, I would be subjected to lawsuits from every direction.
Or, I decide to start the Crawfish Competitive Eating League. Only Cajuns are allowed to own teams in this league. Same deal, I'd be sued, and forced to allow anyone that wants to own a team, own a team.
I don't think either of these hypotheticals are applicable, because they presume discrimination on the basis of race or national origin, which is not happening here.
A better hypothetical example is an exclusive luxury cooperative apartment building in New York City. In order to be able to buy an apartment in the building, you have to be approved by the cooperative board. The board cannot reject you because you are black, or muslim, or cajun, or for any other illegal reason. However, if they think that you are likely to cause problems for the other tenants for other reasons, then they are within their rights to reject you. For example, if you are a movie star and they are concerned about paparazzi hanging around outside the building, or you are a public figure with a reputation as a lightning rod for controversy and they are concerned about protests disturbing other residents, then they are free to reject you.
I have a feeling that what actually happened here is that the league owners got a taste of what it would be like to have to field calls from the press every time Rush said something controversial, and they decided that they didn't want to have to deal with it.
To respond to a couple of the other posts - no, I do not like seeing people slandered or libelled, assuming that is what happened here. But Rush is a big boy (apparently not as big as he used to be, judging by that picture ) and he can live with it. Having people lie about you is a risk you take when you make yourself into a public figure, particularly one as polarizing as he is. So I don't feel sorry for him. He certainly has a platform he can use to defend himself. In fact, I would bet that the publicity he's been getting has increased his ratings.
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To respond to a couple of the other posts - no, I do not like seeing people slandered or libelled, assuming that is what happened here. But Rush is a big boy (apparently not as big as he used to be, judging by that picture ) and he can live with it. Having people lie about you is a risk you take when you make yourself into a public figure, particularly one as polarizing as he is. So I don't feel sorry for him. In fact, I would bet that the publicity he's been getting has increased his ratings.
Wow. I guess if you are a Professional Boxer and someone comes up and punches you in the face, it is okay too. After all, Boxers are "big boys" and they should expect to get hit in the face. It is just a risk they take making their living hitting and getting hit.
Sorry, but I don't buy what you are presenting. And I actually think it is pretty rotten. Fair is fair and should apply to all. Right is right, and should apply to all. And wrong is wrong and should apply to all.
But then again I don't buy your other explanations as to how this really IS Rush's fault because OTHERS attacked him and the NFL folks didn't want the "problems". If the NFL had stood their ground, it would have went away. If everyone had stood up and said "what is being said is a bunch of lies" and they didn't roll over from the attacks by black racists and those who like to be in bed with them for PC or purely political reasons, it would have gone away.
And it is way past time the truth about this type of thing (and we see these clowns doing it time and time again) be brought out into the light and the major media calling them on it. But they won't.
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Wow. I guess if you are a Professional Boxer and someone comes up and punches you in the face, it is okay too. After all, Boxers are "big boys" and they should expect to get hit in the face. It is just a risk they take making their living hitting and getting hit.
Sorry, but I don't buy what you are presenting. And I actually think it is pretty rotten. Fair is fair and should apply to all. Right is right, and should apply to all. And wrong is wrong and should apply to all.
But then again I don't buy your other explanations as to how this really IS Rush's fault because OTHERS attacked him and the NFL folks didn't want the "problems". If the NFL had stood their ground, it would have went away. If everyone had stood up and said "what is being said is a bunch of lies" and they didn't roll over from the attacks by black racists and those who like to be in bed with them for PC or purely political reasons, it would have gone away.
And it is way past time the truth about this type of thing (and we see these clowns doing it time and time again) be brought out into the light and the major media calling them on it. But they won't.
You are making two flawed assumptions - first, that I think Rush is somehow to "blame" for being rejected. I don't "blame" him. I have nothing against him, I just don't feel sorry for him. (I'll save my sympathy for people who need it.) I have not listened to his radio show in years. When I did, I sometimes agreed with him and sometimes did not. I am just pointing out the reality of his situation. He is a public figure who thrives on controversy, and was trying to join a group that generally prefers to avoid controversy. If you want to blame Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, go ahead, but without a stable of liberals to attack there would be no Rush Limbaugh in the first place.
Second, you assume that the owners had some obligation to ferret out the truth. They don't. As I said above, they want to avoid controversy. It doesn't matter whether Sharpton, Jackson et al were lying or not. I think they realized that even if they stuck with Rush until this storm blew over, there would just be more to follow.
Finally, I agree that it would be nice if the world were a fair place, but it is not. There are lots of people in this world who are treated unfairly and unjustly, and who are really suffering; Rush is not one of them.
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You are making two flawed assumptions - first, that I think Rush is somehow to "blame" for being rejected. I don't "blame" him. I have nothing against him, I just don't feel sorry for him. (I'll save my sympathy for people who need it.) I have not listened to his radio show in years. When I did, I sometimes agreed with him and sometimes did not. I am just pointing out the reality of his situation. He is a public figure who thrives on controversy, and was trying to join a group that generally prefers to avoid controversy. If you want to blame Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, go ahead, but without a stable of liberals to attack there would be no Rush Limbaugh in the first place.
No flawed assumption on my part. I went with what you wrote. And you do it again here…. jump back and forth and not willing to take a stand. I can’t do that. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. I also never “want” to blame anyone, but someone IS to blame in most cases. And in this case Jackson, Sharpton, and the others I listed ARE to blame.
As for the NFL generally preferring to avoid controversy… you are kidding right? LOL That is why they have players who have been convicted of a wide range of crimes, from assault, weapons charges, animal cruelty, rape, you name it… because they prefer to avoid controversy. I guess that is an interesting way to go about that. Seriously though, they have NO problem with “controversy” as long as they think they can weather it or they will make money either directly from it, or by those who bring it.
So the idea that this was simply to protect them from “controversy” isn’t even close to being intellectually honest. It was because they didn’t want those who attacked Rush to attack the NFL or for the NFL to be branded as supporting Racism….. even if it was clear that it was not true. Hence the views and statements made in the first post of this thread.
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Second, you assume that the owners had some obligation to ferret out the truth. They don't. As I said above, they want to avoid controversy. It doesn't matter whether Sharpton, Jackson et al were lying or not. I think they realized that even if they stuck with Rush until this storm blew over, there would just be more to follow.
I also didn’t assume that at all. But no “ferreting” of the truth need be made. Directly after the claims were made, Rush stated that the claims were not true. No real ferreting needs be done there. Not to mention that there were plenty of folks who knew the truth about it all….. so I just refer to the paragraphs above.
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Finally, I agree that it would be nice if the world were a fair place, but it is not. There are lots of people in this world who are treated unfairly and unjustly, and who are really suffering; Rush is not one of them.
This is not just about RUSH, and it appears you just don’t get that.
I will also point out to you, since it also appears you just don’t know me, you will find few out there that are more honest about life and how things are. But you will also find few who will stand up faster to support right and condemn wrong. If YOU don’t want to because you somehow think supporting right and condemning wrong only needs to be done in accordance to how you think folks “need it” or who is “suffering” or not, that is fine. I don’t live like that. I will stand up against wrong done to those I HATE. Again, right is right, and wrong is wrong.
We clearly see this differently and that is fine. I don’t believe wrong should be dismissed simply because the one it was done to can “handle it”. That only encourages that same wrong to be done to others.
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Well hell it’s not like he was a star player who went to prison for abusing dogs and strangling them when they didn’t fight well. And it’s not like he was released from prison and went back to work for them.
After all that would be like being a lightning rod! And we know the NFL wouldn’t do want to attract lighting rods!
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This is not just about RUSH, and it appears you just don’t get that.
I will also point out to you, since it also appears you just don’t know me, you will find few out there that are more honest about life and how things are. But you will also find few who will stand up faster to support right and condemn wrong. If YOU don’t want to because you somehow think supporting right and condemning wrong only needs to be done in accordance to how you think folks “need it” or who is “suffering” or not, that is fine. I don’t live like that. I will stand up against wrong done to those I HATE. Again, right is right, and wrong is wrong.
We clearly see this differently and that is fine. I don’t believe wrong should be dismissed simply because the one it was done to can “handle it”. That only encourages that same wrong to be done to others.
Let's face it, one has to pick one's battles. If Jackson and Sharpton and others were lying about Rush, then they should be called out for it. But Rush has his own radio show, with a big audience, and he is perfectly capable of standing up for himself (and then some). So personally if I wanted to get worked up into a lather about something I would probably choose genocide in Darfur, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, or maybe the fact that most of the world lives in abject poverty. None of these tragedies has gotten 1/10 of the attention the Limbaugh thing has in the past few days.
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) and he can live with it. Having people lie about you is a risk you take when you make yourself into a public figure, particularly one as polarizing as he is. So I don't feel sorry for him. He certainly has a platform he can use to defend himself. In fact, I would bet that the publicity he's been getting has increased his ratings.
Seriously though, they have NO problem with “controversy” as long as they think they can weather it or they will make money either directly from it, or by those who bring it.
