Finally .... A Sensible Gun Registration Plan That Will Work
Vermont State Rep. Fred Maslack has read the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, as well as Vermont's own Constitution very carefully, and his strict interpretation of these documents is popping some eyeballs in New England and elsewhere.
Maslack recently proposed a bill to register "non-gun-owners" and require them to pay a $500 fee to the state. Thus Vermont would become the first state to require a permit for the luxury of going about unarmed and assess a fee of $500 for the privilege of not owning a gun
Maslack read the "militia" phrase of the Second Amendment as not only affirming the right of the individual citizen to bear arms, but as a clear mandate to do so. He believes that universal gun ownership was advocated by the Framers of the Constitution as an antidote to a "monopoly of force" by the government as well as criminals
Vermont's constitution states explicitly that "the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State" and those persons who are "conscientiously scrupulous of bearing arms" shall be required to "pay such equivalent." Clearly, says Maslack, Vermonters have a constitutional obligation to arm themselves, so that they are capable of responding to "any situation that may arise."
Under the bill, adults who choose not to own a firearm would be required to register their name, address, Social Security Number, and driver's license number with the state. "There is a legitimate government interest in knowing who is not prepared to defend the state should they be asked to do so," Maslack says
Vermont already boasts a high rate of gun ownership along with the least restrictive laws of any state .. it's currently the only state that allows a citizen to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. This combination of plenty of guns and few laws regulating them has resulted in a crime rate that is the third lowest in the nation
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This makes sense! There is no reason why gun owners should have to pay taxes to support police protection for people not wanting to own guns. Let them contribute their fair share and pay their own way.
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eh, I don't like this.. So, if you are not on this registry, they KNOW you have a gun.
How about we register the people that cannot own a gun, like felons, non resident aliens, students here on a visa, and so on.
Then, the gov't can check them to make sure they are in compliance, if they have probable cause to do so.
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I personally don’t like registries of this type at all. They should not matter anyways. We are by the Constitution given the RIGHT to own and BEAR arms. And having a gun is much different than bearing one. If it sits in your gun safe or on the wall, that is only part of the Right.
Now we can choose NOT to own or bear arms, and that is frankly alright with me too. But the thing is that it is a CHOICE we have. And the Government does not make the choice for us. It is also why I am against the idea of Conceal and Carry Permits as a principle. We should not have to “apply” for something that is a Right granted to us by the Constitution And even more, that Right should not stop at a State border.
I never conducted a traffic stop thinking it was “routine” or that something bad would not happen. And I never assumed that people were NOT armed because I didn’t see a gun, or knife, or whatever. In fact, I assumed that everyone COULD be armed in some way.. But frankly I have NEVER had a problem with someone who was legally carrying. I DID have problems with people who were NOT legally carrying or who were not carrying at all. Interesting…. Isn’t it?
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I personally don’t like registries of this type at all. They should not matter anyways. We are by the Constitution given the RIGHT to own and BEAR arms. And having a gun is much different than bearing one. If it sits in your gun safe or on the wall, that is only part of the Right.
Now we can choose NOT to own or bear arms, and that is frankly alright with me too. But the thing is that it is a CHOICE we have. And the Government does not make the choice for us. It is also why I am against the idea of Conceal and Carry Permits as a principle. We should not have to “apply” for something that is a Right granted to us by the Constitution And even more, that Right should not stop at a State border.
I never conducted a traffic stop thinking it was “routine” or that something bad would not happen. And I never assumed that people were NOT armed because I didn’t see a gun, or knife, or whatever. In fact, I assumed that everyone COULD be armed in some way.. But frankly I have NEVER had a problem with someone who was legally carrying. I DID have problems with people who were NOT legally carrying or who were not carrying at all. Interesting…. Isn’t it?
I agree with you about the choice we have it is nice to really be free. To be free means that we have a choice to bear arms. I personally think it is good to have choices.
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I personally don’t like registries of this type at all. They should not matter anyways. We are by the Constitution given the RIGHT to own and BEAR arms. And having a gun is much different than bearing one. If it sits in your gun safe or on the wall, that is only part of the Right.
Now we can choose NOT to own or bear arms, and that is frankly alright with me too. But the thing is that it is a CHOICE we have. And the Government does not make the choice for us. It is also why I am against the idea of Conceal and Carry Permits as a principle. We should not have to “apply” for something that is a Right granted to us by the Constitution And even more, that Right should not stop at a State border.
I never conducted a traffic stop thinking it was “routine” or that something bad would not happen. And I never assumed that people were NOT armed because I didn’t see a gun, or knife, or whatever. In fact, I assumed that everyone COULD be armed in some way.. But frankly I have NEVER had a problem with someone who was legally carrying. I DID have problems with people who were NOT legally carrying or who were not carrying at all. Interesting…. Isn’t it?
You are a smart one. Never assume.
Something odd about Law Enforcement Dispatch in this state. If during a stop the RO's is on the Hand Gun Registry, the weapons registered are returned with the RO's address and W&W information. Same for dispatches to residences. Information send on open frequencies. (scanners) Here is my problem with that practice.
1. If the cops are ever dispatched to my home, even if I call them, the fact that I own a registered firearm is broadcast far and wide along with my address. Perfect for burglars looking for a new robbery tool. They all have data terminals. Why are they not using them for such information?
2. Any LEO who is less cautious on a stop because the RO is not known to have a registered weapon is in trouble. Citizens who register their Handguns in this state are at some level law abiding.
While its been a long time since I have been stopped. Since before they started the practice of reporting registrations. However a man I talk to on occasion who works at a Gun Store was stopped one night because of a burned out tail light. They asked him if he had a gun in the car. He answered no, they are all locked in my Safe at home. Then they asked to search his car and when he said yes, they said have a nice night and went on their way.
I know the law in this state. If I am transporting, they are unloaded in a locked container and I am on my way to or from the range, a domicile, or the gun store. Pretty Anal if you ask me.
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This is great I need a sign like this
I'm so sick of people telling everyone what to do! If you don't want a gun fine that is your right. But don't tell me that I can't have or carry a gun! They say guns kill! Guns don't kill PEOPLE KILL!! Don't blame the tool! That is what a gun is A TOOL!. I have never seen a gun or a knife get up on it's own and kill someone.
Just my 2 cents
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One problem with open carry laws is that for longarms it is easy, but if you have a pistol, it is too easy to have something "cover" your otherwise open carry setup. Unless you wear a full leg rig (which I don't like personally because it causes far too much movement of the pistol) it is real easy to have your jacket or shirt cover your pistol... thus making it "technically" concealed. So to be safe people really have to get a CWP/CCP... and then you are on the books.
I had my son-n-law (well, one of my daughters' live with boyfriend) over a couple weekends ago and he just got his CWP, and during a routine traffic stop he claimed the officer was a real jerk to him and harassed him for carrying. I have a feeling there was MUCH more to it than that, because I can't see ME being harassed for carrying, but still.....
I just think that because so few law abiding citizens carry now days (compared to those who don't) it puts a negative stigma on those who do. And I think that some of the newer LEOs just don't understand because they are not from the same generation as a lot of us here (middle age or over). That is unfortunate.
But I did get a tad off track there.... just letting my thoughts flow. LOL
I again state that I feel open or concealed should be MORE common and the default as opposed to the opposite. It is a shame that if you were to put a bet on it, those who would do you harm (criminals) are far more likely to be packing than the average law abiding citizen.
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Something odd about Law Enforcement Dispatch in this state. If during a stop the RO's is on the Hand Gun Registry, the weapons registered are returned with the RO's address and W&W information. Same for dispatches to residences. Information send on open frequencies. (scanners) Here is my problem with that practice.
1. If the cops are ever dispatched to my home, even if I call them, the fact that I own a registered firearm is broadcast far and wide along with my address. Perfect for burglars looking for a new robbery tool. They all have data terminals. Why are they not using them for such information?
2. Any LEO who is less cautious on a stop because the RO is not known to have a registered weapon is in trouble. Citizens who register their Handguns in this state are at some level law abiding.
I agree that this is an issue. And if folks don’t think criminals listen to scanners they would be wrong. They listen for a wide range of reasons, and I don’t want MY information known… thus why I think registries are a bad idea. And like I said, if you enter into EVERY situation AS TRAINED, it would not matter if the person is carrying or not.
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While its been a long time since I have been stopped. Since before they started the practice of reporting registrations. However a man I talk to on occasion who works at a Gun Store was stopped one night because of a burned out tail light. They asked him if he had a gun in the car. He answered no, they are all locked in my Safe at home. Then they asked to search his car and when he said yes, they said have a nice night and went on their way.
I know the law in this state. If I am transporting, they are unloaded in a locked container and I am on my way to or from the range, a domicile, or the gun store. Pretty Anal if you ask me.
I personally don't consent to search unless I know there is probable cause, or justification. Being a former LEO I am familiar with the process.
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So is this email true? I have not been able to confirm , yet. I wonder if anyone here would know?
Here in New Mexico it is leagal to carry out in the open. I do have a CC license as well. Still I carry in plain sight most of the time. I love the West. I would not want to live in New York with that law about guns they got there.Only the criminals have them and the few law men.
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This would only work if the State increased everyone's taxes so that it could subsidize gun purchases for people who couldn't otherwise afford to buy one. Then we would have to get into a discussion of what kind of ammo would be subsidized, and what wouldn't, and who makes the decision, and whether the government should open up its own gun stores, and whether illegal aliens should be receive subsidies to buy guns, and pretty soon it will turn into the healthcare debate.
Somehow I think Representative Maslack was just trying to make a point, though I'm not exactly sure what it is.
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Vermont gun law, is this true? 
