The Committee on Intelligence was given the same pile of garbage that was given to the rest of the country, and many members were willing to give the Bush Admin the benefit of a doubt. That was a wrong assumption. But at least Kerry is willing to admit he was wrong. Changing positions is the mark of intelligence. Not learning from your mistakes is a mark of stupidity.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Dam it! if I have told Clinton 1 time, I’ve told him 100 times, stop going into the future and reading Bush’s pile of garbage!
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
Dam it! if I have told Clinton 1 time, I’ve told him 100 times, stop going into the future and reading Bush’s pile of garbage!
Of course this was while inspectors were in the country.
Annex to the Memorandum of Understanding between the United Nations and the Republic of Iraq of 23 February 1998
The eight Presidential Sites subject to the regime agreed upon in the present Memorandum of Understanding are the following:
1. The Republican Palace Presidential Site (Baghdad).
2. Radwaniyah Presidential Site (Baghdad)
3. Sijood Presidential Site (Baghdad).
4. Tikrit Presidential Site.
5. Tharthar Presidential Site.
6. Jabal Makhul Presidential Site.
7. Mosul Presidential Site.
8. Basrah Presidential Site.
The perimeter of the area of each site is recorded in the survey of the "Presidential sites" in Iraq implemented by the United Nations Technical Mission designated by the Secretary-General, as attached to the letter dated 21 February 1998 addressed by the Secretary-General to the Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
The Committee on Intelligence was given the same pile of garbage that was given to the rest of the country, and many members were willing to give the Bush Admin the benefit of a doubt. That was a wrong assumption. But at least Kerry is willing to admit he was wrong. Changing positions is the mark of intelligence. Not learning from your mistakes is a mark of stupidity.
If Bush is such a stupid, idiot who cant tie his own shoes how did he get all these brilliant Democrats who are so intelligence to make all these quotes .
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
If Bush is such a stupid, idiot who cant tie his own shoes how did he get all these brilliant Democrats who are so intelligence to make all these quotes .
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
MI6 ran 'dubious' Iraq campaign
Mr Ritter has become a critic of the war on Iraq
British intelligence ran a campaign designed to exaggerate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, a former US intelligence officer has claimed.
Former UN chief weapons inspector Scott Ritter said the disinformation drive in the late 1990s was designed to shift public opinion.
Mr Ritter has been a vocal critic of military action against Iraq since leaving the inspections team in 1998.
A spokesman for MI6 said the allegations were "unfounded".
He told reporters in the House of Commons that he was involved personally with Operation Mass Appeal between the summer of 1997 until August 1998 when he resigned from the UN.
Mr Ritter said the MI6 operation was designed to "shake up public opinion" by passing dubious intelligence on Iraq to the media.
The so-called "non-actionable intelligence" dealt with Saddam Hussein's alleged campaign to possess and conceal weapons of mass destruction. He said the intelligence was "single source data of dubious quality".
Mr Ritter claimed this was the first time the existence of Operation Mass Appeal had been revealed.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
If Bush is such a stupid, idiot who cant tie his own shoes how did he get all these brilliant Democrats who are so intelligence to make all these quotes .
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Ananova:
Hillary Clinton calls for inquiry over Iraq
Hillary Clinton has called for independent inquiries to review the credibility of the intelligence used to justify war in Iraq.
The New York senator joined the mounting pressure in both Britain and the US to investigate allegations that details of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were exaggerated.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Tony Blair said he would not appear before the Foreign Affairs Select Committee to give evidence on alleged misuse of reports in the so-called 'dodgy dossier'.
But Senator Clinton said that although the jury was still out on whether weapons would ever be found, it was essential to discover what happened with the intelligence in both nations.
In an interview with Sir Trevor McDonald in Washington, she said: "I hope that in both our countries we have independent inquiries that get to the facts about the intelligence."
Asked if she thought there was a problem, she said: "I think there could be.
"What is important is that we really do find out what the truth was because this is not just about the past, whether or not the intelligence was either wrong or skewed for whatever purpose, but going forward."
Mrs Clinton said she did not know if people were misled but said: "That is why this cannot be left unanswered.
"I voted for the Iraqi resolution, and I did it in large measure based on the intelligence that I was privy to."
Mrs Clinton was interviewed for ITV1's Tonight with Trevor McDonald programme.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
[quote=kscoyote]Of course this was while inspectors were in the country.
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So are you saying that when Clinton had inspectors in there they had and were perusing WMD but as soon as Bush took office they stopped…………..ya I’ll buy that!
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 Of course this was while inspectors were in the country.
So are you saying that when Clinton had inspectors in there they had and were perusing WMD but as soon as Bush took office they stopped…………..ya I’ll buy that!
The inspectors were there to verify they had disarmed. Clinton said that in a speech to reassure the American Public that Hussein would be disarmed. Especially after the PFNAC started publishing a bunch of bull.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
The inspectors were there to verify they had disarmed. Clinton said that in a speech to reassure the American Public that Hussein would be disarmed. Especially after the PFNAC started publishing a bunch of bull.
Starting in 1997.
I'll see if I can find a better source. But this is the only one with a link to the original document. PFANAC has taken down all of their original documents.
The blueprint for our current foreign policy was being written back in 1992 by then-Defense Secretary, Dick Cheney. His writings set out a new doctrine that called for U.S. power in the twentieth century, to be that of an aggressive and unilateral approach that would secure American dominance of world affairs by force if necessary. This "peace through strength" policy has been unfolding from the day Bush, Jr. took office; the strategic planning of it was done during the Clinton administration with funding from the military-industrial complex, energy companies, and right-wing foundations. Over time, those working on these new plans evolved into PNAC, established in 1997 with members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz at the helm. May God help us!
In September 2000, the PNAC updated and refined Cheney's original version into a new report entitled: "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources for a New Century" calling for unprecedented hikes in military spending, American military bases in Central Asia and Middle East, toppling of non-complying regimes, abrogation of international treaties, control of the world's energy sources, militarization of outer space, total control of cyberspace, and the willingness to use nuclear weapons to achieve "American" goals. This plan by the neo-conservative or neo-con think tank, PNAC, shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power and says the U.S. for decades has sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security, revealing that a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure a regime change was planned even before Bush took power in January, 2001. The lengthy blueprint for U.S. global domination can be accessed at http://cryptome.org/rad.htm.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Starting in 1997.
I'll see if I can find a better source. But this is the only one with a link to the original document. PFANAC has taken down all of their original documents.
The blueprint for our current foreign policy was being written back in 1992 by then-Defense Secretary, Dick Cheney. His writings set out a new doctrine that called for U.S. power in the twentieth century, to be that of an aggressive and unilateral approach that would secure American dominance of world affairs by force if necessary. This "peace through strength" policy has been unfolding from the day Bush, Jr. took office; the strategic planning of it was done during the Clinton administration with funding from the military-industrial complex, energy companies, and right-wing foundations. Over time, those working on these new plans evolved into PNAC, established in 1997 with members Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz at the helm. May God help us!
In September 2000, the PNAC updated and refined Cheney's original version into a new report entitled: "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources for a New Century" calling for unprecedented hikes in military spending, American military bases in Central Asia and Middle East, toppling of non-complying regimes, abrogation of international treaties, control of the world's energy sources, militarization of outer space, total control of cyberspace, and the willingness to use nuclear weapons to achieve "American" goals. This plan by the neo-conservative or neo-con think tank, PNAC, shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power and says the U.S. for decades has sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security, revealing that a premeditated attack on Iraq to secure a regime change was planned even before Bush took power in January, 2001. The lengthy blueprint for U.S. global domination can be accessed at http://cryptome.org/rad.htm.
"The effects of the RMA will have profound implications for how wars are fought, what weapons dominate, and which nations enjoy military preeminence.
Any serious effort at transformation must occur within the larger framework of U.S. national security strategy, military missions and defense budgets. The United States cannot simply declare a “strategic pause” while experimenting with new technologies and operational concepts. Nor can it choose to pursue a transformation strategy that would decouple American and allied interests. A transformation strategy that solely pursued capabilities for projecting force from the United States, for example, and sacrificed forward basing and presence, would be at odds with larger American policy goals and would trouble American allies.
Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor. ""
Eerie! Do you suppose Bush ignored all the warnings for a reason?
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
And for the record I read the Moor’s book Stupid White Men, and I can safely say that he is a POS he dose write propaganda and he is a complete moron, and I would not waste my time for any production the idiot makes. (the book was loaned to me so I didn’t give the bleeding heart one penny)
Crap! I hate getting into these things. While I agree Moore is a "POS" I can't agree he is a complete moron. (damn it, did I just say that?)
Moore is VERY good at what he does, probably the best. He has a way of taking bits and pieces of what people say editing and piecing it back together to mean something totally different. True! These people had said these things, but not in the way these so-called "Documentaries" portrays it
Moore is very extreme. I hate extremes, left or right. Nothing gets done! While they fight we, and others, get screwed!
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Crap! I hate getting into these things. While I agree Moore is a "POS" I can't agree he is a complete moron. (damn it, did I just say that?)
Moore is VERY good at what he does, probably the best. He has a way of taking bits and pieces of what people say editing and piecing it back together to mean something totally different. True! These people had said these things, but not in the way these so-called "Documentaries" portrays it
Moore is very extreme. I hate extremes, left or right. Nothing gets done! While they fight we, and others, get screwed!
Moore isn't extreme. I've seen some extreme lefties.
Moore bathes, shaves, uses animal products, and was/is a member of the NRA. He doesn't blow up hummers, and he doesn't blow up cosmetic plants.
If you want to see extreme, I can show you some.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Moore isn't extreme. I've seen some extreme lefties.
Moore bathes, shaves, uses animal products, and was/is a member of the NRA. He doesn't blow up hummers, and he doesn't blow up cosmetic plants.
If you want to see extreme, I can show you some.
You are so full of crap! Moore joined the NRA to get the Interview with Charlton Heston, and then ambushed him in the film the interview lasts 6 minutes but the clock behind him moves half an hour!
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
You are so full of crap! Moore joined the NRA to get the Interview with Charlton Heston, and then ambushed him in the film the interview lasts 6 minutes but the clock behind him moves half an hour!
no he says that he had been a lifetime member or the NRA. Where is your proof that he joined only to get the interview?. and just because the clock moves half an hour just means he skips alot of bull small talk because you cant just jump right in to attacking the NRA in the first five minutes or else youll be leaving too quickly. he just probably left alot out for the sake of the movie not being 3 hours long. then ambushed him? so youre saying that what the NRA did was right? going with big gun shows right after tragedies in those cities? have a little compassion i mean come on. sure you have the RIGHT to, but that doesnt mean you HAVE to.
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NewsMax is (once again posting an asroturf organization and presenting the Republican Smear Organization as a real "grassroots" organization.
I couldn’t remember where I originally heard of Max News until just a little while ago….it was you….so I dug this up…………which you posted back in March of 03!
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Originally Posted by kscoyote
Halliburton Iraq ties more than Cheney said
NewsMax Wires
Monday, June 25, 2001
UNITED NATIONS, June 23 (UPI) -- Halliburton Co., the oil company that was headed by Vice President **** Cheney, signed contracts with Iraq worth $73 million through two subsidiaries while he was at its helm, the Washington Post reported.
OK guys you heard it hear first, kscoyote posted something from www.newsmax.com…..well since kscoyote will only post credible, reliable, information the fact he posted from them everything they say HAS TO BE CORRECT……well I have know about them for awhile you should go check them out they are extremely anti- Clinton/Gore and have even stated that Clinton contributed to the 911 attacks due to his dismantling of the military trying the hands of the FBI and CIA so they could not do their job…..makes interesting reading…………………
Once again a news source is only creditable when it serves your purpose!
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
no he says that he had been a lifetime member or the NRA. Where is your proof that he joined only to get the interview?. and just because the clock moves half an hour just means he skips alot of bull small talk because you cant just jump right in to attacking the NRA in the first five minutes or else youll be leaving too quickly. he just probably left alot out for the sake of the movie not being 3 hours long. then ambushed him? so youre saying that what the NRA did was right? going with big gun shows right after tragedies in those cities? have a little compassion i mean come on. sure you have the RIGHT to, but that doesnt mean you HAVE to.
The NRA event was had been scheduled for over six months and had thousands of members show up for the annual event. The NRA canceled the majority of the events scheduled but could not cancel the annual members' voting meeting due to laws governing nonprofit organizations.
Columbine happened 11 days before the NRA’s scheduled event and they went out of the way to “not cause a fuss.”
As for me proving he did it just for the interview, I believe it was in one of the NRA magazines that talked about Bowling for Columbine. Membership should be a public record and you can probably see when someone joined up. If you doubt it look it up or make Moore prove it since he seems unable to that with most of his points.
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
