OK, so you guys are defending a guy who picked up a grenade launcher and fired at a very close cliff. So close that he got injured by shrapnel from the cliff when it exploded. Now to me that's not heroic, that's just ridiculous. He wasn't qualified to fire that gun and he wasn't the only person injured in that incident. He injured a couple other guys under his command. Oh yeah, that's exactly the kind of guy I want running my military. Another incident of his from Vietnam, his boat was under fire from a single guy, they wounded the assailant and when he turned to run, Kerry ran him down and shot him in the back. Yeah, he's a hero alright. Oh yeah, every purple heart he won in Vietnam, he put himself in for. 2 of the 3 were rejected by one CO, when he was replaced, Kerry put himself in again and was awarded them the second time around. So lemme see, not only is he careless and wreckless but he's vain and conceited. Not to mention the fact that once he got his third medal, he returned home and protested in anti-war rallies ( something active duty members are NOT allowed to do ) calling the guys he was shoulder to shoulder with baby killers. I'm sorry but as a member of the armed forces and a red blooded hard working American, I can't vote for this man and then look at myself to shave every morning.
That's probly the biggest problem in Americia everybody gets offended so easily,people talk about rednecks all the time on here,I'm from the South I got a loud car,been in my share of fights,got alot of friends that own trailers,you do'nt hear me crying racism..All I'm really sayin is that the guys avatar looks like an Iraqi, I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that.
not offended by it, just you made a racist statement techincally. Im not folllowing you with the "ive been in fights ,loud car, friends own trailors " thing either. what does that have to do with you crying racism?
and i thought nothing of his hat in his avatar. i thought it looked more irish to me .
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OK, so you guys are defending a guy who picked up a grenade launcher and fired at a very close cliff. So close that he got injured by shrapnel from the cliff when it exploded. Now to me that's not heroic, that's just ridiculous. He wasn't qualified to fire that gun and he wasn't the only person injured in that incident. He injured a couple other guys under his command. Oh yeah, that's exactly the kind of guy I want running my military. Another incident of his from Vietnam, his boat was under fire from a single guy, they wounded the assailant and when he turned to run, Kerry ran him down and shot him in the back. Yeah, he's a hero alright. Oh yeah, every purple heart he won in Vietnam, he put himself in for. 2 of the 3 were rejected by one CO, when he was replaced, Kerry put himself in again and was awarded them the second time around. So lemme see, not only is he careless and wreckless but he's vain and conceited. Not to mention the fact that once he got his third medal, he returned home and protested in anti-war rallies ( something active duty members are NOT allowed to do ) calling the guys he was shoulder to shoulder with baby killers. I'm sorry but as a member of the armed forces and a red blooded hard working American, I can't vote for this man and then look at myself to shave every morning.
Blue Streak, how are awards given?
I didn't know people could give themselves awards. I guess my grand father's awards for valor he picked himself from army surplus.
HAve you received any medals? Did you just nominate yourself and pick out 5 purple hearts? What are you saying about combat vets exactly?
Read the original documents from interviews. The kid had a grenade launcher and was attacking the boats. Kerry saved his crew.
Don't you do any real research? Or do you just repeat what people tell you?
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
so nazz what are you trying to say by announcing that you're white and then referencing something that another culture wears as offensive? comes off as a little racist.
So I'm proud to be white,nothing wrong with that is there,I realise that there are americans of other colors,I'm from the South remember,and whats wrong with associating a headdress with indians,nothing racist there.
That's probly the biggest problem in Americia everybody gets offended so easily,people talk about rednecks all the time on here,I'm from the South I got a loud car,been in my share of fights,got alot of friends that own trailers,you do'nt hear me crying racism..All I'm really sayin is that the guys avatar looks like an Iraqi, I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees that.
And you look like a license plate.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
You know he did TWO TOURS!!!?!??? THREE PURPLE HEARTS!?!?!?! A BRONZE STAR?!?!? and a SILVER STAR?!?!?
How do you do that and and fight to get out?!?!?
How many did you do? How many did Bush or Cheney do?
Where do you come up with "war criminal?" That's a pretty hefty charge. Where's your evidence?
LOL You are kidding, right? You can find “snopes.com” and read that, but can’t read Kerry’s own words after returning from Vietnam?
As for how many I did… LOL Wrong man. I either served in, or trained soldiers for every major military action from Panama to the Gulf War… and ranging over 4 continents. And guess what? I have medals as well, and was put in for the Soldier’s Medal (the highest piece time medal, the equivalent of CMH). But I can tell you that the majority of medals given are fluff and not really deserved…. While the actions that REALLY deserve medals far too often go unrewarded. And I think anyone who served more than a couple years in the military can back me up on that.
Again, I am not going to debate the facts, they are out there to be gotten. And those who want to discredit the Swift Boat Veterans because they didn’t serve directly under Kerry or on his boat are just flapping in the wind. I know many soldiers who neither shared my vehicle/team, nor did I serve directly under, and can attest factually about their leadership abilities and what they did and did not do.
So again….. go vote. Debating this is useless. I know you to be a good man, and I actually like you… we just don’t agree on a good many political issues.
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The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
Not to mention the fact that once he got his third medal, he returned home and protested in anti-war rallies ( something active duty members are NOT allowed to do ) calling the guys he was shoulder to shoulder with baby killers. I'm sorry but as a member of the armed forces and a red blooded hard working American, I can't vote for this man and then look at myself to shave every morning.
He protested because his CO was discharged for not following an illegal order.
1st you say that the Detention Soldiers are guilty for following an illegal order, now you'
re saying Kerry is wrong for refusing to follow and illegal order -which is it?
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
LOL You are kidding, right? You can find “snopes.com” and read that, but can’t read Kerry’s own words after returning from Vietnam?
As for how many I did… LOL Wrong man. I either served in, or trained soldiers for every major military action from Panama to the Gulf War… and ranging over 4 continents. And guess what? I have medals as well, and was put in for the Soldier’s Medal (the highest piece time medal, the equivalent of CMH). But I can tell you that the majority of medals given are fluff and not really deserved…. While the actions that REALLY deserve medals far too often go unrewarded. And I think anyone who served more than a couple years in the military can back me up on that.
Again, I am not going to debate the facts, they are out there to be gotten. And those who want to discredit the Swift Boat Veterans because they didn’t serve directly under Kerry or on his boat are just flapping in the wind. I know many soldiers who neither shared my vehicle/team, nor did I serve directly under, and can attest factually about their leadership abilities and what they did and did not do.
So again….. go vote. Debating this is useless. I know you to be a good man, and I actually like you… we just don’t agree on a good many political issues.
You still didn't answer my question. How does a man who wants to "get out" serve TWO TOURS? Does this make any sense?
Elliot admitted he lied about Kerry because he didn't like his political stand. He retracted his statement and said he was sorry he did it.
I'm hammering this because you profess to hav eintegrity. Please explain why it's ok for you to repeat lies about a man, who by all eyewitness accounts served with honor and distinction??
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
You still didn't answer my question. How does a man who wants to "get out" serve TWO TOURS? Does this make any sense?
Elliot admitted he lied about Kerry because he didn't like his political stand. He retracted his statement and said he was sorry he did it.
I'm hammering this because you profess to hav eintegrity. Please explain why it's ok for you to repeat lies about a man, who by all eyewitness accounts served with honor and distinction??
Including sworn testimony by some of the people on the commercial?! The doctor who claims he treated Kerry isn't on record as ever treated or even VISITED John Kerry in the hospital!!
They did the same thing to McCain, and Max Cleland, who lost 3 limbs in service to his country. What's wrong here?
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
You still didn't answer my question. How does a man who wants to "get out" serve TWO TOURS?
Don’t you get it? I don’t HAVE to answer your question. The facts are out there. Go find them…. but like what was said on The Planet Of the Apes…. “you won’t like what you find”.
Heck, most of these issues are discussed on any number of news programs several times a week at a minimum.
But honestly, I don’t think you want to find anything. And that is okay. You are an anti Bush person and blinded to a good many things because of it. Kerry is about the least fit person to serve as President. I will support him if he wins the election, but will do my best to make sure he does not.
However, I will openly admit that I was a McCain supporter. But I feel that Bush did a great job this first term given all the issues involved, and I think it is in our nation’s best interest to have him serve another term. Then we will see who is up for the job after that.
Again…… and for the last time…. I will not debate this, and in fact not even discuss it any more.
I love Mustangs! :thumbup
(Added: I see you added to your posts….. Warning big fellah… don’t ever question MY integrity again. While we may not agree on a good many things, I would never turn this into a personal attack on you, nor question your integrity or heart on any matter. I applaud your enthusiasm, but advise you to simmer down a bit.)
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- Sam
The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
Don’t you get it? I don’t HAVE to answer your question. The facts are out there. Go find them…. but like what was said on The Planet Of the Apes…. “you won’t like what you find”.
Heck, most of these issues are discussed on any number of news programs several times a week at a minimum.
But honestly, I don’t think you want to find anything. And that is okay. You are an anti Bush person and blinded to a good many things because of it. Kerry is about the least fit person to serve as President. I will support him if he wins the election, but will do my best to make sure he does not.
However, I will openly admit that I was a McCain supporter. But I feel that Bush did a great job this first term given all the issues involved, and I think it is in our nation’s best interest to have him serve another term. Then we will see who is up for the job after that.
Again…… and for the last time…. I will not debate this, and in fact not even discuss it any more.
I love Mustangs! :thumbup
Thought as much.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Don’t you get it? I don’t HAVE to answer your question. The facts are out there. Go find them…. but like what was said on The Planet Of the Apes…. “you won’t like what you find”.
Heck, most of these issues are discussed on any number of news programs several times a week at a minimum.
But honestly, I don’t think you want to find anything. And that is okay. You are an anti Bush person and blinded to a good many things because of it. Kerry is about the least fit person to serve as President. I will support him if he wins the election, but will do my best to make sure he does not.
However, I will openly admit that I was a McCain supporter. But I feel that Bush did a great job this first term given all the issues involved, and I think it is in our nation’s best interest to have him serve another term. Then we will see who is up for the job after that.
Again…… and for the last time…. I will not debate this, and in fact not even discuss it any more.
I love Mustangs! :thumbup
(Added: I see you added to your posts….. Warning big fellah… don’t ever question MY integrity again. While we may not agree on a good many things, I would never turn this into a personal attack on you, nor question your integrity or heart on any matter. I applaud your enthusiasm, but advise you to simmer down a bit.)
I'm not questioning your integrity, I'm asking a simple question. Is it ok to repeat lies about another person?
Did you pick out the medals you were given? Surely, you know the process, including the incident investigation.
Bush's group is implying that the award process is a joke. that means your medals could be construed as illegitimate.
At the very minimum, Cheney got 5 (I think that's a record) and had a kid exactly 9 months after learning it was a way out of Vietnam. Bush went to a champagne division as a pilot despite earning a 25% on a pilot aptitude test. THEN he learned to fly an obsolete aircraft, and couldn't even show up for a physical. And these guys are questioning Kerry's courage.
You bet I'm angry. I'm really surprised you aren't.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Now go back and read what I added because of your edits..... Keep it cool.
I'm cool, just waiting to hear whether you think it's ok to repeat a lie.
in·teg·ri·ty Audio pronunciation of "integrity" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-tgr-t)
n.
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
[Middle English integrite, from Old French, from Latin integrits, soundness, from integer, whole, complete. See tag- in Indo-European Roots.]
integrity
\In*teg"ri*ty\, n. [L. integritas: cf. F. int['e]grit['e]. See Integer, and cf. Entirety.] 1. The state or quality of being entire or complete; wholeness; entireness; unbroken state; as, the integrity of an empire or territory. --Sir T. More.
2. Moral soundness; honesty; freedom from corrupting influence or motive; -- used especially with reference to the fulfillment of contracts, the discharge of agencies, trusts, and the like; uprightness; rectitude.
The moral grandeur of independent integrity is the sublimest thing in nature. --Buckminster.
Their sober zeal, integrity. and worth. --Cowper.
3. Unimpaired, unadulterated, or genuine state; entire correspondence with an original condition; purity.
Language continued long in its purity and integrity. --Sir M. Hale.
Syn: Honesty; uprightness; rectitude. See Probity.
Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
