[Nazz]

I think if people want to discuss politics there are plenty of other sites for that,they just make us argue amongst ourselves,if we keep things Mustang related I think everyone would get along better, I even said the word ass because of something I saw on there a few days ago, Imagine that - me saying something like that,hmmmmm,,,just my observation...

[wilit]

Originally Posted by Mustang Mike

COOL! IS THAT AT THIS SITE? Cause then it would be rellevent to my post....
Thanks man, I appreciate that.

My point is this. This is a Mustang site first and foremost. If we start allowing political posts, what's next? How-to's on installing lowering springs on GM F-bodies. How about we make a forum here for matchmakers too. Oh, you know, I really like to cook, and would really enjoy a forum here devoted to sharing recipes.

My point is, if you want to talk politics, go to a political forum. If you want to talk about Fords, post it up here.

[NoobAStang]

tominator? what where have i been flaming lately? i used to do it. then i realized i looked like an idiot. so i stopped. i dont support that crap anymore.

[NoobAStang]

I dont wanna see flame wars or talk about REAL political issues? well then maybe youre right. maybe thats why i go to allfordmustangs.com to read about mustang issues not politicalcrap.com to talk about the REAL issues.

[Tominator]

A 'man' would simply not add to that he decries so much.

I did not say it first, but I'll say it again. Don't want to discuss politics, don't click on the thread or, if you have trouble discerning those threads, leave without posting. How much easier can that be?

Possibly this attitude carrys over to your political persuasion?

[Tominator]

Well, by george, join the club!

Every time you or I post we run into a chance we might make an idiot of ourselves. I'd be the first to raise my hand if there was an 'idiot roll call.

Some of us are serious gear heads. We do most all our own work and then have to live and correct our mistakes. We don't just sit back and discuss working on cars, we do it! Most of us take our learning and experience and let it influence what we say in car threads and we often disagree. Would you then ban that type of discussion?

I've been doing this since about 1970. Posting about cars and politics on the Internet since there was an Internet.

IMHO, anyone is just plain stupid not to see the connection between politics and the automobile. I've said this many times in these two threads and have yet to see anyone even attempt to dispute what I've said.

How about sports? Football? Baseball? How about banning religion while we are at it?

If you want to remain naive and ignorant of relevant issues, then there are thousands of teen age chat rooms with nothing but idiots posting just about anything. I for one want to post only about cars, but I've never been the type to let wrongs go without a response.

One site I came from and I've nearly ten thousand in post count became so populated with flamers and Liberals, I just quit posting there. However in large part those same hot political discussions have made it one of the most successful sites on the Internet. www.Anandtech.com.

Once you start banning free speech you will see this site slip quietly away. I've seen this happen. Maybe we all just need to temper our replies? Don't reply to obvious 'nefs.'

Reasonable limits are always set. Like in our lives why make more rules that just weaken the whole?

I guess when the next Al Queda attack happens we will be banned from discussing why and how? Like it or not Mustangs are intertwined with politics. Banning political speech is not the answer.

[wilit]

Originally Posted by Tominator

IMHO, anyone is just plain stupid not to see the connection between politics and the automobile. I've said this many times in these two threads and have yet to see anyone even attempt to dispute what I've said.

You're right, politics and automobiles go hand in hand. However, 98% of the political threads started here have nothing to do with automobiles. If you could please show me the correllation between "My buddy's in Iraq asked me to post this:" and how that directly relates to automobiles, I would greatly appreciate it.

IMO, there's nothing wrong about starting a politcal thread which is DIRECTLY RELATED to automobiles, i.e. "Sign this petetion to repeal the ban on the CA rolling smog exemtion." But starting threads like, "Kerry/Bush is a liar, here's the proof" is only started to get a rise out of people, and really does not promote any true political disscussion whatsoever.

[countymounty]

Your right and while we are at lets ban all post that don’t have anything to do with mustangs….like…………

Big Camping trip tonight

Hi guys

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Is Rock and Roll dying?

My "New Car" with no key

Hey guys Vote for my Daughter Alison

Trader... No politics.

Possibly Good News (Hopefully)

I should've known better.....

try to help out a homie, but....

College....

Just in case you thought your day was bad...

Ad so college begins

Here we go again! Vote for Joshua #2

Anyone drinkin w/ me tonight ?

charger coming back too?

New Puppy!

funeral i dont think i should attend

I got a new tatoo

aug. 18th babies

Dwi

Bank robber gets OWNED

My New Toy

Went to the 'Dark Side'

College books were HELLA expensive this semester!!!

Theses are just some of the posts that don’t have to do with mustangs from the first two pages of the Community lounge

Heck half of them aren’t even about cars!

I mean after all guys this is a mustang site not a (insert any of these posts in here) site.

And once again lets remind everyone what the community lounge is

Community Lounge
Kick back, hookup and hang out with All Ford Mustang members! Discuss and debate all Non-Technical topics here, just keep it clean and in good taste!

So I vote lets just ban the whole Community Lounge! :thumbup

And once again I will say if you don’t like it don’t click it!
And if you want to complain that the political post are on top well just click the page two button and guess what you have more choices!

And for the complaint they are hard to moderate, here is a clue, don’t wait there days after 20 posts have been posted calling people every name in the book and decide to then “crack down” if someone calls someone a ****@r automatically ban them for a few days so they can cool down and get a grip.

[Fordgazm]

County , I can tell you from experience , those threads ARE hard to moderate . I have seen a new post generate 2 pages worth in less than 3 hours . We cant have moderators here 24 - 7 just to be on the lookout after political posts . It would be nice , but it's not possible . As for all those threads you posted , how many of them have content that would cause people to start flaming ? Political posts are always on the verge of a flame war because not everyone agrees .

If you all are so concerned about banning / keeping political posts here , then vote on the poll for this topic . We could easily make a sub forum just for political posts so they dont cover the lounge . Were not trying to ban them , but there is deffinitely a problem here that requires a solution . Do you guys have any better ideas ? Because we would like to hear them . Honestly .

[Saleen Owner]

Originally Posted by Fordgazm

Were not trying to ban them , but there is deffinitely a problem here that requires a solution . Do you guys have any better ideas ? Because we would like to hear them . Honestly .

I agree with Countymounty, all you have to do is make it very clear that you will enforce the rules on flaming, and then enforce those rules. After a short time it will become much easier to moderate those threads if the dozen or so people who start flaming in those threads are banned. And I have noticed the same people who start flaming in those threads also flame in the so called 'on topic' threads concerning Mustangs. So there would be no great loss in their being banned, and thus all threads would become easier to moderate.

You cannot control peoples ideas, but you can control the way they want to express those ideas. If you cannot express a thought without stooping to personal attacks, or trying to insult or belittle someone who happens to have a differing view, you should not be apart of this forum IMHO. People need to realize that just because they think they are right, it does not necessarily make them right, or give them the right to act uncivilized.

[countymounty]

Its seems many people are sick of seeing the political posts (and many of them who are complaining are people who have participated and even started some of the threads) but they don’t just exercise the right not to click on the political posts.
Well I’m sick of people complaining “this is a mustang site lets talk about mustangs” there are numerous lounges and places to talk about mustangs here, because it is a mustang site! The Community Lounge is one place set aside to talk about things other then mustangs. We all have the common interest in mustangs but guess what some of us have other interest, and the purpose of the community lounge is to do just that.

If you want to make a separate Community Lounge for “hot” or controversial topics then do so, (I don’t really see the need) the political posts come in spurts and sometimes month and months go by with none. (its just election year right now)

Sure the mods cant be here all the time (just like I cant follow you around all day to write tickets to everyone who pisses you off) but make use of the time and be consistent. If something gets out of hand then when you do catch it bump them off for a few days and see how things quiet down (which is much better then just closing a thread down as some people just try to start a flame war just to get a thread closed down for everybody else.) I remember way back someone was told not to post text from other sites just to post a link and for the people who want to read it they can chose to do so, well that rule isn’t being enforced ( and would cut the number of pages in the political post by 1/3). If you think someone is posting threads just to “flame bait” then instead of having 10 political threads going push that in one that already exists (unless you do choose to have a political forum.)

[countymounty]

Create a new forum for political posts only
Ban all political posts from AFM
Do nothing . leave the forums how they are .


Looks like the poll itself is flawed if 30 percent of the people want nothing done and 30 percent want a new forum for political posts only but 40 percent want wants to ban political posts what are you going to do?
It would look like that 60 percent want the political post to remain but because the way its set up majority rules, sounds like we need a electoral collage to oversee the vote!

I refuse to vote, those choices are so close together and the one I don’t want is right in the middle, it’s sp confusing. I am afraid to click one thinking it might go to the wrong cause and I really don’t want to get into a debate of what the members of AFM really intended to do. And moderators what about the chads? What are we going to do about them, hanging, dimpled, double dipped, I see a rally hard time coming for you!

I stick to my original statement and have a new slogan!

Don’t Click! Then no need to b i t c h!

[Nazz]

yea well as I said there are more political sites than Mustang sites already,scince county will not vote I'll take his,"wipe em out"...

[Tominator]

I refuse to vote, those choices are so close together and the one I don’t want is right in the middle, it’s sp confusing. I am afraid to click one thinking it might go to the wrong cause and I really don’t want to get into a debate of what the members of XXX really intended to do.

Talk about getting political!

It seems you are disenfranchised! The majority of Americans don't vote for the exact same reason.

[Saleen Owner]

Two things I have never understood,

1- Why do people get so concerned about one of their own thread topics getting pushed to the second page? If there was interest in your topic it would stay on the first page. And why do you feel limited to posting on topics on the first page only? If you post on a topic on the second or third page, it will go to the first page. Imagine that.

2- Why are people so concerned about post counts that they will post on a topic that they have no interest, and do so in a way that insults those who are concerned about the topic? Do you think you are cool or people think you might know something just because your post count is high?

Why do I bring this up? Because as far as I can see this is what causes problems in the political threads. And I maybe wrong, but so what if a certian person posts threads that make people think about their own political opinions? I have never noticed that certain person result to uncivilized tactics to make their point, even after such tactics are used agianst them. The problem is not so much the threads, but the way a few people think they have to react to them.