One of the solutions was to increase the wetlands, which was nixed by Bush in favor of land developers.
The levee, and flood projects were also cancelled 3 years ago.
There was NO PLANNING, or mitigation.
There was NO FOOD, WATER, or action of ANY KIND for nearly a WEEK!!! and when it did occur, it was because Bush ordered it AFTER his vacation.
GOLF was apparently more important than an entire cityl.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
I heard it from the Mayor, cant link the video, but search cnn.com video's for a video from Saturday. "Nagin still outspoken" ... very interesting comments he made.
.. he said the Governor needed 24 hrs to accept or decline Bush's offer.
The Washington Post also has some details on the meeting between Bush and the Governor, and described a power struggle, the Gov didnt want to give it up. When the sh-t hit the fan, state, local, county, federal ALL dropped the ball.
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Mentioning the levees is knitpicking
http://www.enr.com/news/environment/...es/050901c.asp
Leaders of the Army Corps of Engineers say the city's flood walls were in excellent shape before the storm but weren't designed to handle a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude.
In a phone briefing Sept. 1, the Army's Chief of Engineers, Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, addressed some of the issues that have surfaced about Corps-built structures around New Orleans. Strock said that the project that resulted in the levees along Lake Pontchartrain was designed to protect against a 200-to-300-year storm, which equates to about a Category 3 hurricane, but Katrina was more severe.
Al Naomi, senior project manager in the Corps' New Orleans District, says, "The [project's] design was not adequate for a storm of this nature." He adds that to cover a Category 5 storm, work on storm protection improvements would have had to start 20 or 25 years ago.
The levee breaches occurred in areas that were "in excellent condition" before the storm and were inspected, said Naomi. He said there was nothing the Corps could have done involving the completed floodwalls that could have prevented the breaches.
Another question concerned the allocation of national resources during a war. The war in Iraq has not had an impact on the Corps budget, said Strock. According to his analysis, Corps funding "has been fairly stable" since the early 1990s and the Corps has spent more than $300 million since 2002 on storm protection in the New Orleans area. "We were just caught by a storm of an intensity which exceeded the design of the [flood protection] project we have in place," he said.
Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
I heard it from the Mayor, cant link the video, but search cnn.com video's for a video from Saturday. "Nagin still outspoken" ... very interesting comments he made.
.. he said the Governor needed 24 hrs to accept or decline Bush's offer.
The Washington Post also has some details on the meeting between Bush and the Governor, and described a power struggle, the Gov didnt want to give it up. When the sh-t hit the fan, state, local, county, federal ALL dropped the ball.
ALSO
Mentioning the levees is knitpicking
http://www.enr.com/news/environment/...es/050901c.asp
Leaders of the Army Corps of Engineers say the city's flood walls were in excellent shape before the storm but weren't designed to handle a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude.
In a phone briefing Sept. 1, the Army's Chief of Engineers, Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, addressed some of the issues that have surfaced about Corps-built structures around New Orleans. Strock said that the project that resulted in the levees along Lake Pontchartrain was designed to protect against a 200-to-300-year storm, which equates to about a Category 3 hurricane, but Katrina was more severe.
Al Naomi, senior project manager in the Corps' New Orleans District, says, "The [project's] design was not adequate for a storm of this nature." He adds that to cover a Category 5 storm, work on storm protection improvements would have had to start 20 or 25 years ago.
The levee breaches occurred in areas that were "in excellent condition" before the storm and were inspected, said Naomi. He said there was nothing the Corps could have done involving the completed floodwalls that could have prevented the breaches.
Another question concerned the allocation of national resources during a war. The war in Iraq has not had an impact on the Corps budget, said Strock. According to his analysis, Corps funding "has been fairly stable" since the early 1990s and the Corps has spent more than $300 million since 2002 on storm protection in the New Orleans area. "We were just caught by a storm of an intensity which exceeded the design of the [flood protection] project we have in place," he said.
The Post retracted the story. They had been told that by the Administration. It was a lie.
A Sept. 4 article on the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina incorrectly said that Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco (D) had not declared a state of emergency. She declared an emergency on Aug. 26.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Al Naomi, senior project manager in the Corps' New Orleans District, says, "The [project's] design was not adequate for a storm of this nature." He adds that to cover a Category 5 storm, work on storm protection improvements would have had to start 20 or 25 years ago.
Bottom line is, the levee system had to be upgraded to a Category 5 Hurricane level, and to do that before Katrina, the project wouldve needed to be started 20-25 years ago... I dont see how Bush is to blame for the levees. Knitpicking/pettiness.
I caught the retraction for the Gov not declaring a State of Emergency last night, so how does this negate the rest of the story?
I heard it from the Mayor, cant link the video, but search cnn.com video's for a video from Saturday. "Nagin still outspoken" ... very interesting comments he made.
.. he said the Governor needed 24 hrs to accept or decline Bush's offer.
The Washington Post also has some details on the meeting between Bush and the Governor, and described a power struggle, the Gov didnt want to give it up. When the sh-t hit the fan, state, local, county, federal ALL dropped the ball.
ALSO
Mentioning the levees is knitpicking
http://www.enr.com/news/environment/...es/050901c.asp
Leaders of the Army Corps of Engineers say the city's flood walls were in excellent shape before the storm but weren't designed to handle a hurricane of Katrina's magnitude.
In a phone briefing Sept. 1, the Army's Chief of Engineers, Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, addressed some of the issues that have surfaced about Corps-built structures around New Orleans. Strock said that the project that resulted in the levees along Lake Pontchartrain was designed to protect against a 200-to-300-year storm, which equates to about a Category 3 hurricane, but Katrina was more severe.
Al Naomi, senior project manager in the Corps' New Orleans District, says, "The [project's] design was not adequate for a storm of this nature." He adds that to cover a Category 5 storm, work on storm protection improvements would have had to start 20 or 25 years ago.
The levee breaches occurred in areas that were "in excellent condition" before the storm and were inspected, said Naomi. He said there was nothing the Corps could have done involving the completed floodwalls that could have prevented the breaches.
Another question concerned the allocation of national resources during a war. The war in Iraq has not had an impact on the Corps budget, said Strock. According to his analysis, Corps funding "has been fairly stable" since the early 1990s and the Corps has spent more than $300 million since 2002 on storm protection in the New Orleans area. "We were just caught by a storm of an intensity which exceeded the design of the [flood protection] project we have in place," he said.
IT was a crapshoot. The Feds were willing to bet on a category 3 or less. Several people involved, including local US Army Corps or Engineers, the State Senators, the Gov, and the mayor, have been pleading for funds for projects for the last 3 years.
The Feds were wrong, and were unprepared. Nothing has been that bad since 1992.
Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
The Mayor speaks on what was discussed on Air Force 1... backs up a little what the Wash Post said. Oh yea, there is a GOARMY commercial before they show the interview... outta my control, sorry if you get offended.
Bottom line is, the levee system had to be upgraded to a Category 5 Hurricane level, and to do that before Katrina, the project wouldve needed to be started 20-25 years ago... I dont see how Bush is to blame for the levees. Knitpicking/pettiness.
I caught the retraction for the Gov not declaring a State of Emergency last night, so how does this negate the rest of the story?
The City of NO and the state did their parts - all of the people they could get out, they got out via autos in fact, it took significantly LESS than the 72 hours that were estimated.
The people who COULD NOT LEAVE were moved to the stadium. And THEY WERE SAFE for the duration of the storm.
THEN they had to wait for NEARLY A WEEK, with people drowning, starving, dying in the stadium!!!
I'm not even blaming him for the levees! but the situation was WORSENED by his actions --There was NO FOOD, WATER, MEDICINE, or SANITATION for nearly a WEEK!!!
Relief was WAITING FOR DAYS! while he played golf!!!
Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. From the June 18, 2004 Times-Picayune:
"The system is in great shape, but the levees are sinking. Everything is sinking, and if we don't get the money fast enough to raise them, then we can't stay ahead of the settlement," he said. "The problem that we have isn't that the levee is low, but that the federal funds have dried up so that we can't raise them."
The panel authorized that money, and on July 1, 2004, it had to pony up another $250,000 when it learned that stretches of the levee in Metairie had sunk by four feet. The agency had to pay for the work with higher property taxes. The levee board noted in October 2004 that the feds were also now not paying for a hoped-for $15 million project to better shore up the banks of Lake Pontchartrain.
The 2004 hurricane season was the worst in decades. In spite of that, the federal government came back this spring with the steepest reduction in hurricane and flood-control funding for New Orleans in history. Because of the proposed cuts, the Corps office there imposed a hiring freeze. Officials said that money targeted for the SELA project -- $10.4 million, down from $36.5 million -- was not enough to start any new jobs.
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One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer: a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday (HE DID THIS FOR FREE!! HE RAN OUT OF MATERIALS!!!)
The Newhouse News Service article published Tuesday night observed, "The Louisiana congressional delegation urged Congress earlier this year to dedicate a stream of federal money to Louisiana's coast, only to be opposed by the White House. ... In its budget, the Bush administration proposed a significant reduction in funding for southeast Louisiana's chief hurricane protection project. Bush proposed $10.4 million, a sixth of what local officials say they need."
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STATE and LOCAL Officials did the best they could, including RAISING property taxes.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Bush, in my opinion, isnt a very good leader. That being said, there is a system in place where he shouldnt have to do much (the less he does the better). Louisiana and New Orleans had Emergency Plans already in place. Part of those plans were to evacuate those with no means using muni and school buses, didnt happen.
Ive heard on AM radio (havent looked for a real source yet) that the Mayor was advised against using buses by his lawyers due to a lack of insured drivers available. And that he was also advised against issuing a mandatory evacuation earlier than he did for liability concerns, hotels suing him for issuing a possible false alarm. Hard to blame the Mayor for that, but its sad that he wasnt allwed to just grab some bus drivers and move people out like he wanted (assuming the story is true).
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"What you're seeing is revealing weaknesses in the state, local and federal levels," said Eric Tolbert, who until February was FEMA's disaster response chief. "All three levels have been weakened. They've been weakened by diversion into terrorism."
Cant argue that. Id like to see where Louisiana spent its Homeland Secuirty money and if any of it was spent on Hurricane response.
Im curious, what was stopping Bush was taking over the whole operation?
The Mayor speaks on what was discussed on Air Force 1... backs up a little what the Wash Post said. Oh yea, there is a GOARMY commercial before they show the interview... outta my control, sorry if you get offended.
Why would I be offended by the Army? My family has been in the Army since before the Buffalo Soldiers roamed the Kansas Prairie. My uncles were in the Ari Force and the Navy, three of my best friends are in the AirForce, and I was recruited, until my eyesight precluded my entry into pilot school.
There was NO REASON for the Gov. to turn over the Nat'l Guard to the Fed. Gov't.
There is NO PRECEDENT for that.
I know what the Post said, but I think you don't understand the implications.
WHY would they refuse to help unless they turned over the GUARD?!
That has NEVER happened before. NEVER.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Bush, in my opinion, isnt a very good leader. That being said, there is a system in place where he shouldnt have to do much (the less he does the better). Louisiana and New Orleans had Emergency Plans already in place. Part of those plans were to evacuate those with no means using muni and school buses, didnt happen.
Ive heard on AM radio (havent looked for a real source yet) that the Mayor was advised against using buses by his lawyers due to a lack of insured drivers available. And that he was also advised against issuing a mandatory evacuation earlier than he did for liability concerns, hotels suing him for issuing a possible false alarm. Hard to blame the Mayor for that, but its sad that he wasnt allwed to just grab some bus drivers and move people out like he wanted (assuming the story is true).
Cant argue that. Id like to see where Louisiana spent its Homeland Secuirty money and if any of it was spent on Hurricane response.
Im curious, what was stopping Bush was taking over the whole operation?
Homeland security funding is through the EXECUTIVE BRANCH of the Federal Gov't. Louisiana has NO direction regarding its funding.
What was stopping Bush was his golf game.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
I probably dont realize those implications, but Ill take your word for it and assume its not a viable option.
Hmmmm, Alot of information flying around. Ive heard on KGO 810 that the levee upgrade 17th street portion WAS complete, and read a quote somewhere saying the same thing... Consider me confused, IM going to take a break from all of this, send some cash to a .org, and lay down. (I should be at work, but damn allergies got me)...
I can admit its possible if he was having a good day at the links... One Professor I had actually was 30 minutes late to a midterm. I later found out from a freind who works at the country club that he was going for a personal best at this course, but he choked and missed it by 4 strokes...
They dont decide how much they recieve, but they do decide how they spend it.
My sister works for HazMat (1st responders) and her boss' boss writes up what her dept needs, uses predetermined codes set up by Homeland Security, and the equipment is purchased in the snap of a finger(relatively speaking, this is Govt) , no questions asked. in fact most vehicles purchased at her Dept are used by Administrators and are never used by inspectors or hazmat specialists, they get stuck with the old junkers.... point being, there is a paper trail, the State/county spends it how they feel necessary, the Federal Govt has little oversight. Id like to see how they spent that money.
