If they want to rumble, they've come to the right place.
If they're not real careful, those Revolutionary Guard rejects will be joining the Taliban on the ash heap of history...
If you're looking for a link from Iran threatening to nuke us and our cherished Mustangs, think about this:
Ford (and GM too, but who really cares about them?) needs every penny of capital right now - and everytime their stock value ticks lower, their capital base erodes and their already sky-high costs of borrowing go up. Also, the stock price drop drives up the yield on their dividends, which is cash flow going in the wrong direction right now.
Without capital resources to develop new products, build new factories, and make lots of new Mustang lines, well, this hobby gets a lot less fun.
And that's ANOTHER reason to resent the heck out of those religious fanatics in Tehran!
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As an OIF vet, all I can say is bring it on. We have plenty of extra rounds to expend on those pre-historic, sh*t smellin', barefoot, man-dress wearin', goat herdin' hajis. I'm sure Satan can make more room in hell. We'll bomb them further back into the stone age.
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"Only two defining forces have ever offerred to die for you: Je$us Christ and the American G.I." - Author Unknown
If they want to rumble, they've come to the right place.
If they're not real careful, those Revolutionary Guard rejects will be joining the Taliban on the ash heap of history...
Except aren't we are already spread thin trying to make a nice, safe place for Shiite terrorists to live in Iraq? Can we really fight another ground war right now? Isn't Iran more geographically protected than Iraq? Wouldn't a ground war in Iran be a complete disaster? Don't get me wrong, I'm neither a hawk nor a dove. I think we should avoid war whenever possible, but if war is necessary, my approach to war would be much more brutal (and probably draw much more criticism from the rest of the world) than that of our current leaders. I also suspect my approach would result in the loss of fewer American service men and women, which would be the most important goal for me. I think that if it came to conflict, our best option would be to carpet bomb Iran into complete oblivion before ever sending in ground forces. Heartless? Maybe, but it's war, not a game of freeze tag. People are going to die. The fewer Americans among the dead, the better and I think that approach would reduce American casualities. In response to Iran's threats, I would immediately issue warnings for Americans to get out of Iran because things are likely to get ugly sooner rather than later. If things continue as they have been going in the Middle East, we are going to have to make an example. In the Middle East, I wonder if that can be done by deposing leaders, rebuilding the country and letting it eventually slide back under terrorist rule (as has already been done in Iran once - thinking of the Shah). I think it will eventually have to be done by basically laying an entire country flat. That would have been my desired approach in Iraq, too, but 'humanitarian' concerns might prevent that from happening. At the same time, I am no military strategist, so there may well be flaws in all my ideas here.
China is definitely a concern, and I am not sure what the best way to handle them would be. I'm not sure how much of a concern Russia is right now. They do have nukes, but I don't think they would join in to help Iran in a military sense.
Except aren't we are already spread thin trying to make a nice, safe place for Shiite terrorists to live in Iraq? Can we really fight another ground war right now? Isn't Iran more geographically protected than Iraq? Wouldn't a ground war in Iran be a complete disaster? Don't get me wrong, I'm neither a hawk nor a dove. I think we should avoid war whenever possible, but if war is necessary, my approach to war would be much more brutal (and probably draw much more criticism from the rest of the world) than that of our current leaders. I also suspect my approach would result in the loss of fewer American service men and women, which would be the most important goal for me. I think that if it came to conflict, our best option would be to carpet bomb Iran into complete oblivion before ever sending in ground forces. Heartless? Maybe, but it's war, not a game of freeze tag. People are going to die. The fewer Americans among the dead, the better and I think that approach would reduce American casualities. In response to Iran's threats, I would immediately issue warnings for Americans to get out of Iran because things are likely to get ugly sooner rather than later. If things continue as they have been going in the Middle East, we are going to have to make an example. In the Middle East, I wonder if that can be done by deposing leaders, rebuilding the country and letting it eventually slide back under terrorist rule (as has already been done in Iran once - thinking of the Shah). I think it will eventually have to be done by basically laying an entire country flat. That would have been my desired approach in Iraq, too, but 'humanitarian' concerns might prevent that from happening. At the same time, I am no military strategist, so there may well be flaws in all my ideas here.
China is definitely a concern, and I am not sure what the best way to handle them would be. I'm not sure how much of a concern Russia is right now. They do have nukes, but I don't think they would join in to help Iran in a military sense.
I totally agree with you, we should nuke the whole damn country. Unfortunatley, we aren't allowed to intentionally hurt non-military targets so we will have to stick to million dollar GPS guided death bringers. I'm sure we are going to attack Iran next (sometime in the next 2 or 3 years) and though there is the potential for war with China further down the road, I don't think and hope it doesn't happen. I don't think we have the resources to take on China while still fighting the war on terror without international support. Since the rest of the world is a bunch of whiney liberals now, they aren't going to do anything about China taking over whatever little country they are threatening to take over. Communism just isn't the enemey anymore.
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I totally agree with you, we should nuke the whole damn country. Unfortunatley, we aren't allowed to intentionally hurt non-military targets so we will have to stick to million dollar GPS guided death bringers. I'm sure we are going to attack Iran next (sometime in the next 2 or 3 years) and though there is the potential for war with China further down the road, I don't think and hope it doesn't happen. I don't think we have the resources to take on China while still fighting the war on terror without international support. Since the rest of the world is a bunch of whiney liberals now, they aren't going to do anything about China taking over whatever little country they are threatening to take over. Communism just isn't the enemey anymore.
I'm not really even referring to nukes. More like using bomber planes and conventional payloads, much like the approach that was used, with great effect, in the first stages of Desert Storm. My memory isn't super clear, but didn't the U.S. Military carpet bomb 'strategic' targets for something like two weeks before ground troops were sent in? Oh, and 'oops', we accidentally blew up a few hospitals, etc. while we were at it.
I am not the world's biggest Reagan fan, but I think the single most impressive thing he ever did as far as shutting down threats from the Middle East was his response to threats from Quaddaffi and Lybia's support of terrorism. He sent jets to take out Quaddaffi's house and (supposedly) Quaddaffi along with it. Quaddaffi wasn't home - but his kids were, and they were killed. I'm not sure I believe Quaddaffi's recent attempts to 'play nice' and bring Lybia into the greater world, but that sure ended overt threats from Lybia without the need of fighting a war. The French wouldn't allow the jets to pass through French air space on the way to Lybia. The French Embassy in Lybia was also 'accidentally' blown up. Extremists of any ilk, Muslim or otherwise, don't understand kindness or compassion. They understand strength and the establishment of a pecking order.
The problem with China is that any conflict with them will most likely end in all out nuclear war. Not just 'tactical' strikes but 'end of the world as we know it' nuclear war.
There was an article yesterday on abc news that arms were traced to Iran. that are penetrating the best armor we have. I am sure Iran thinks they can get away with almost everything due to Oil. What a mess, these people cannot even get along with each other and they think they have a "right" to nuclear "research"? I don't think so. It would be nice to take care of that area once and for all but how? Those darn civilians get in the way.
By the way, I am sure with today's news the oil market is jittery again and with it another exuse to raise the price of oil.
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Iran has been in our sights since 1998. You could trace a good many of the arms in Iraq to ourselves.
The administration has been beating the drums for war with Iran the past two years, and has increased the tempo the past few months.
On 9-11, Iran was with us, playing our national anthem, and saluting us. Look it up. They had a secular president, and reform was occurring through the young people who were sick of the mullahs.
Then we labelled them as part of the axis of evil, and began threatening them. They accelerated their nuclear program, have taken control of Iraq through the Shiite Majority, and began building support for war from their own population. It's a failure of statesmanship that we've come to this point.
Iran called us part of the Axis of Evil, invaded Mexico which was defenseless, and began threatening us when Mexican-Americans started sending weapons to Mexico?
They had better arms, soldiers, and equipment. Our only deterrence was a nuclear bomb, which we didn't have.
Would you
1) surrender?
2) accelerate develoment of a nuclear bomb?
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This is particularly dangerous as Iran has increased ties to both China and Russia. China is running our ports in the Western US. Iran also has close ties to the UAE, which will soon be running our East Coast Ports.
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There was a comment made by a Russian general about starving us into oblivion. I will see if I can find it.
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Iran has been in our sights since 1998. You could trace a good many of the arms in Iraq to ourselves.
The administration has been beating the drums for war with Iran the past two years, and has increased the tempo the past few months.
On 9-11, Iran was with us, playing our national anthem, and saluting us. Look it up. They had a secular president, and reform was occurring through the young people who were sick of the mullahs.
Then we labelled them as part of the axis of evil, and began threatening them. They accelerated their nuclear program, have taken control of Iraq through the Shiite Majority, and began building support for war from their own population. It's a failure of statesmanship that we've come to this point.
I wish I saved the article, but it said those weapons are currently being built in Iran, not leftovers from us.
I don't think there anything we could have done to prevent this, it was only a matter of time, Iran changes regimes almost as much as we change our underwear.
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I wish I saved the article, but it said those weapons are currently being built in Iran, not leftovers from us.
I don't think there anything we could have done to prevent this, it was only a matter of time, Iran changes regimes almost as fast as we change our underwear.
Actually, Iran has had the same regeime longer than we have (ours changes every 4-8 years). the mullahs have been in power since the Islamic Revolution which overthrew our man the Shah. They were acknowledged to be on their last legs due to pressure from their young people (they are a VERY young population, most of the middle aged men were killed in the Iran/Iraq war. There is a HUGE generation gap, and the mullahs were not likely to hold power as they died off.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Iran called us part of the Axis of Evil, invaded Mexico which was defenseless, and began threatening us when Mexican-Americans started sending weapons to Mexico?
They had better arms, soldiers, and equipment. Our only deterrence was a nuclear bomb, which we didn't have.
Would you
1) surrender?
2) accelerate develoment of a nuclear bomb?
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This is particularly dangerous as Iran has increased ties to both China and Russia. China is running our ports in the Western US. Iran also has close ties to the UAE, which will soon be running our East Coast Ports.
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There was a comment made by a Russian general about starving us into oblivion. I will see if I can find it.
What kind of horse$hit comparison is this? We are not over there trying to convert the world to a religion that does nothing but suppress human rights of all except the religious leaders. Russia is a flipping joke, and China will not do a damn thing but watch and bellyache. These two countries have enough sense to not start anything near approaching war. The muslim states are the psychos, not us, not China, not Russia, so your B.S. analogy is just that, B.S. All it would take to get China on board is to tell them they could have Iran afterwards. We would be held back by Chinese troops alright, we would be held back by the millions of them on their way to topple Tehran.
They don't deserve to be considered as anything other than a threat to the safety of the planet. Period. The only consideration they deserve is how to take them down as fast as possible if their insane leaders keep this $hit up.
What the hell difference does it make who contracts our ports? Do you think they will just put them in their pockets and take them home? Take military control of them? Hell I thought you liberals would jump for joy if our ports would shut down, fix that nasty trade deficit your always whining about in a heartbeat. Besides, if your worried about nukes getting shipped over in a container, it does not matter who runs the port, it has an equal chance of happening. The government runs the security, not the contractor.
I don't think we would be in a confrontation with Iran by ourselves. This topic has worldwide support through the EU and several other middle east countries. If something does come of this, I don't expect we'd be going this one alone. I can't think of any country on the planet that is buying their claims that all they want is to enrich uranium for power production. And no one wants Iran to have a nuke bomb either.
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What kind of horse$hit comparison is this? We are not over there trying to convert the world to a religion that does nothing but suppress human rights of all except the religious leaders. Russia is a flipping joke, and China will not do a damn thing but watch and bellyache. These two countries have enough sense to not start anything near approaching war. The muslim states are the psychos, not us, not China, not Russia, so your B.S. analogy is just that, B.S. All it would take to get China on board is to tell them they could have Iran afterwards. We would be held back by Chinese troops alright, we would be held back by the millions of them on their way to topple Tehran.
They don't deserve to be considered as anything other than a threat to the safety of the planet. Period. The only consideration they deserve is how to take them down as fast as possible if their insane leaders keep this $hit up.
What the hell difference does it make who contracts our ports? Do you think they will just put them in their pockets and take them home? Take military control of them? Hell I thought you liberals would jump for joy if our ports would shut down, fix that nasty trade deficit your always whining about in a heartbeat. Besides, if your worried about nukes getting shipped over in a container, it does not matter who runs the port, it has an equal chance of happening. The government runs the security, not the contractor.
I would think you would realize that they would have an opportunity to examine the security in detail, over a long period of time.
Chinese intelligence is particularly good at taking small pieces on information and putting them together into an effective body of knowledge.
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Except aren't we are already spread thin trying to make a nice, safe place for Shiite terrorists to live in Iraq? Can we really fight another ground war right now? Isn't Iran more geographically protected than Iraq? Wouldn't a ground war in Iran be a complete disaster? Don't get me wrong, I'm neither a hawk nor a dove. I think we should avoid war whenever possible, but if war is necessary, my approach to war would be much more brutal (and probably draw much more criticism from the rest of the world) than that of our current leaders. I also suspect my approach would result in the loss of fewer American service men and women, which would be the most important goal for me. I think that if it came to conflict, our best option would be to carpet bomb Iran into complete oblivion before ever sending in ground forces. Heartless? Maybe, but it's war, not a game of freeze tag. People are going to die. The fewer Americans among the dead, the better and I think that approach would reduce American casualities. In response to Iran's threats, I would immediately issue warnings for Americans to get out of Iran because things are likely to get ugly sooner rather than later. If things continue as they have been going in the Middle East, we are going to have to make an example. In the Middle East, I wonder if that can be done by deposing leaders, rebuilding the country and letting it eventually slide back under terrorist rule (as has already been done in Iran once - thinking of the Shah). I think it will eventually have to be done by basically laying an entire country flat. That would have been my desired approach in Iraq, too, but 'humanitarian' concerns might prevent that from happening. At the same time, I am no military strategist, so there may well be flaws in all my ideas here.
China is definitely a concern, and I am not sure what the best way to handle them would be. I'm not sure how much of a concern Russia is right now. They do have nukes, but I don't think they would join in to help Iran in a military sense.
I keep hearing the argument that we are stretched too thin. The media doesn't tell the whole story. They only tell the part of the story that sells the most advertising time. You never hear about the good things going on over there. When I was there, we built an elementary school, a water treatment plant, and modernized a hospital in ONE MONTH. And that was in Ramadi...supposedly the worst hotbed of insurgent activity in Iraq. When did you hear about that on CNN? Right now, soldiers are re-enlisting at a higher rate ever in the history of the United States military. They have one month of not meeting retention goals and the media goes nuts. Never mind the fact that the military met its goals and then some for the whole year.The fact is, we DO have the resources to fight a war on another front. And we are ready to protect our country, our families, and our own a$$es if called upon to do so. Even if it means staying for YEARS at a time. Soldiers did it in WW2 for 3-4 years without rotation back to the states. Plus, there are millions of able bodied American citizens to draft if the sh*t really hits the fan.
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"Only two defining forces have ever offerred to die for you: Je$us Christ and the American G.I." - Author Unknown
Actually, with the Talliban, we bombed them OUT of the stone age and INTO the 21st century.
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Originally Posted by WITELITENIN
As an OIF vet, all I can say is bring it on. We have plenty of extra rounds to expend on those pre-historic, sh*t smellin', barefoot, man-dress wearin', goat herdin' hajis. I'm sure Satan can make more room in hell. We'll bomb them further back into the stone age.
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"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
Only problem with Iran, is that the citizenry tends to be more pro-western(from what I hear - who knows what to believe). That makes me not wanna nuke them. What we have there, is just another @$$hole government(almost a redundancy).
Religions and governments can always guarentee wars!!! Then there's also the group mentality...
Decent folks who just want to make their OWN way in the world(through an honest day's work), and have fun, should all band together, and put down these corrupt, evil religions and guh-varmints!!!
Hey! I think it stopped raining out there!
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