Just like I said above, the best stuff came later on in the war. Our guys/gals, are at least getting better equipment than when the occupation began. You're wrong, the wildcats were there for the duration of the war (FM-1/FM-2) right up to V-J day. The majority of the wildcats kills were scored in the last two years of the war.
The Republicans of yester year are not the Repubs of today. It was a different world and different country. Today's secular libs would have ruined this country and lost the war for us in WWII.
Certainly not the libs fault but their rally cry of cut and run doesn't help. Sun Tzu's teachings pretty cover all faces of war and the writings certainly cover the issues of today's occupation.........difficult to win without the backing of the people, the majority of the folks at least. To much political bickering in today's politics for our efforts to be successful.
Dang, that's the fifth time I've had to say that's a good post. You are correct.
My only point of contention is the Wildcat wasn't the workhorse it was at the start, It wouldn't make sense to take operational vehicles off the line, when production and supply were already problems when fighting Japan, Germany, Italy, and nominally, Russia.
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President Roosevelt declares War on Theocratic Catholicism. Noting that Italy, Mexico, Spain, and Germany are all Catholic countries headed by a Pope, he declares that radical Catholicism is the problem.
Republicans noted that Mexico is a marginal democracy, and has fought with the Catholic Church. They were immediately called Unpatriotic, and traitorous.
Roosevelt begins diverting resources from intelligence operations in Mexico to spy on Jehovah's Witnesses, Quakers, and Catholics.
Noting the history of the Inquisition, the ongoing activities of the Irish Republican Army in Britain, and other allies (which include togo, the Inuit, Mapuche, ) the social gadfly Mann Coulter declares all Catholics should submit to Protestantism or face annihlation.
Emperor Hirohito continues to make films calling Roosevelt names.
He currently has more films out than Warner Brothers.
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Er, KS, I was lampooning, or if you prefer, "addressing" the posit you made about "liberals (ie, the FDR admin.) winning WWII".
I don't like the fact that that FDR, that fine upstanding paragon of liberal ideals, imprisoned tens of thousands of American citizens (resulting in hundreds of deaths due to mistreatment and poor health services), and suspended habeus corpus - nor, as you point out, did I like it when Abe did it. There's no inconsistency.
Win WWII we did - but at a real cost to our principles. I don't see the current administration, warts and all, doing this - do you? And don't mention Gitmo - there are perishing few examples of American citizens there, and it would be an insult to those good Japanese-Americans who suffered so long to be compared to a batch of terrorists and talibans.
Heck, the Bushites don't even have the nerve to profile airline passengers based upon the common sense approach every other country on the planet (including the likes of Britain, Russia and France) have used for decades to prevent such problems as 9-11. If we lose this war, it might well be due to them LACKING the stomach to trash our Constitution that came so easily to FDR and Abe Lincoln.
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Headline N. Dakota.
Not a SINGLE Japanese American ever harmed the country, and many fought with valor FOR the United States. Germans were NOT arrested, nor were Italians. It was an admitted mistake, and one that should have been learned from Lincoln, whom I recall you complaining about.
Headline D.C.:
Are you suggesting this should occur? Or actually occurred? If so, this is new.
Headline Huston:
During Roosevelt's time War Profiteering was punishable by DEATH. None of the contracts led to obscene profits, and many who obtained contracts (Like HENRY FORD) were AGAINST the war.
Headline IRS -
That was required to keep supply lines going to the troops, and many items were proscribed. As opposed to today, where the wealthy get tax cuts, and NO correspong increase in revenue to keep the supply lines going.
Are you suggesting Roosevelt would reduce taxes? When he INCREASED taxes to pay for the effort? your headlines are confusing.
Roosevelt taxes luxury items heavily, and eliminated war profiteering to keep costs to the gov't low. the top tax rate under Roosevelt was 90%.
Again, the Republicans don't make the sacrifices to win.
Headline Social Security -there was no social security, Roosevelt created the program.
It seems the Republicans don't have the resolve to win.
Headline Houston:
Already addressed.
Headline New York:
Seems the R's don't have the stomach for this either.
Headline internet:
More information was captured with cryptogrophers monitoring radio broadcasts from the Germans and Japanese, I seriously doubt the internet would be "cancelled." It's a rich source of information. Arresting all Germans, Italians, and Japanese probably would have hampered our efforts.
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Dang, that's the fifth time I've had to say that's a good post. You are correct.
My only point of contention is the Wildcat wasn't the workhorse it was at the start, It wouldn't make sense to take operational vehicles off the line, when production and supply were already problems when fighting Japan, Germany, Italy, and nominally, Russia.
Somebody mark this date down. Ks and I agree...........easy enough point I suppose.
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Originally Posted by tripleblack
Er, KS, I was lampooning, or if you prefer, "addressing" the posit you made about "liberals (ie, the FDR admin.) winning WWII".
I don't like the fact that that FDR, that fine upstanding paragon of liberal ideals, imprisoned tens of thousands of American citizens (resulting in hundreds of deaths due to mistreatment and poor health services), and suspended habeus corpus - nor, as you point out, did I like it when Abe did it. There's no inconsistency.
Win WWII we did - but at a real cost to our principles. I don't see the current administration, warts and all, doing this - do you? And don't mention Gitmo - there are perishing few examples of American citizens there, and it would be an insult to those good Japanese-Americans who suffered so long to be compared to a batch of terrorists and talibans.
Heck, the Bushites don't even have the nerve to profile airline passengers based upon the common sense approach every other country on the planet (including the likes of Britain, Russia and France) have used for decades to prevent such problems as 9-11. If we lose this war, it might well be due to them LACKING the stomach to trash our Constitution that came so easily to FDR and Abe Lincoln.
how do you know they're terrorists?
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And I'm lampooning Neo-Conservative strategies for winning the "War on a Feeling" er War on Terror.
And MY point is that Liberals would not have attacked Mexico when we were attacked by Japan.
The War, as it exists is in Afghanistan.
This administration views the constitution as a piece of paper, worth no more than T-bills. Bush said it himself -It's a piece of Paper. This administration has no problem with violating civil liberties.
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BizzaroWorld update: How World War Two would have been fought if the Neocons were in charge.
Roosevelt moved forces to Pemex stations to protect oil reserves, and warned the Mexican people that attacks on the oil infrastructure of Mexico would not be tolerated.
Meanwhile, looting breaks out, and the Aztecs and Indian Mexicans loot government ministries.
Germany is working on a REALLY BIG BOMB. Roosevelt declares Germany and Russia will not be allowed to have REALLY BIG BOMBS.
The defense Secretary, visiting Mexico in a new Jeep was assailed by Marines demanding to know why they had to improvise armor from dumps.
President Roosevelt declared the real problem in the world was Imperial Theocrats, and Mexico was the front line in the war on Theocratic Imperialism.
Japanese Emperor Hirohito released another film in conjunction with Adolf Hitler declaring upcoming attacks on American facilities world wide.
President Roosevelt said "he doesn't think about Hirohito anymore -he is REALLY not concerned with him. "
In other news, the Democratic Party led by Roosevelt runs a campaign against Oscar Wilde and Gays.
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Face it, you will never change people like KS, his loathing of our country will never change.
One of his problems is he has no concept of how weapons and their systems are aquired. He thinks an Aircraft or a Armored vehical just pops of the assembly line and of it goes to war.lol. It takes years of testing and working the bugs out, believe me I know, spent 12 years doing Combat Sage and Thunder test in Florida and Phillipines.(testing Aim 120's Aim 7 & AIM 9's).
Rumsfeld was right when he said "you go to war with the army that you have" Were we suppose to wait until the jet engine, the M1a1 and the A-bomb was invented before we went to war with Germany and Japan??
As far as the "Anti RPG" system that the Israilies have, it only will work in an open terrain battlefield, In a urban battle, how do you stop a round fired from 100 feet?
While your at it look at a map, Iraq is a better battlefield than Afghanistan. Ask the Brits and Russians. Even Bin laden says it is the center of the war.
KS, let me give you a little Logistics lesson, Afghanistan is land locked with no friendly countries surronding it,ie. Iran,Pakistan and the other Stans. Not counting the hellish terrain. At least in Iraq we have a seaport and last time I checked Kuwait and Bahrain were on our side.
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XM,
An armed man is called a citizen.A disarmed man is called a subject.
Easy guys, we're all on the same side in the long run. There's no need to let a debate get completely out of hand.
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Face it, you will never change people like KS, his loathing of our country will never change.
One of his problems is he has no concept of how weapons and their systems are aquired. He thinks an Aircraft or a Armored vehical just pops of the assembly line and of it goes to war.lol. It takes years of testing and working the bugs out, believe me I know, spent 12 years doing Combat Sage and Thunder test in Florida and Phillipines.(testing Aim 120's Aim 7 & AIM 9's).
Rumsfeld was right when he said "you go to war with the army that you have" Were we suppose to wait until the jet engine, the M1a1 and the A-bomb was invented before we went to war with Germany and Japan??
As far as the "Anti RPG" system that the Israilies have, it only will work in an open terrain battlefield, In a urban battle, how do you stop a round fired from 100 feet?
While your at it look at a map, Iraq is a better battlefield than Afghanistan. Ask the Brits and Russians. Even Bin laden says it is the center of the war.
KS, let me give you a little Logistics lesson, Afghanistan is land locked with no friendly countries surronding it,ie. Iran,Pakistan and the other Stans. Not counting the hellish terrain. At least in Iraq we have a seaport and last time I checked Kuwait and Bahrain were on our side.
Nope, I love my country, and detest what's being done with it.
George W. Bush is NOT the United States of America. WE THE PEOPLE are the United States of America.
Gee, where did that Rhino Rumsfeld was running around in come from?
It took us 12 years to build P-51 Mustangs? 12 more to come up with p-38 Lightnings?
you're arguing with yourself!!!
First you say 1) testing takes 12 years, then you say "were we supposed to wait?" -I don't get it.
there's a couple of things say out here in Cowboy Country, -Git 'er Done & the Buck Stops Here. I guess reckon that set of values doesn't play in your area of the country.
We had staging rights in countries surrounding Afghanistan, but what does that have to do with Iraq?
Are you suggesting that since it was tough terrain with unfriendly locals we left Afghanistan to kick the dog in Iraq?
Isn't that a slap in the face of our military?
The military was built to make war, not occupation.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Easy guys, we're all on the same side in the long run. There's no need to let a debate get completely out of hand.
I'm not the one making disgusting accusations about how Napalm LOATHES the United States.
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Who said it took 12 years to build a P51?
When did we leave Afghanistan?
Yes we can walk and chew gum at the same time. As I pointed out before your knowledge of logistics and supply are next to nothing. It is best that we choose the battlefield and not the enemy. Bin laden and the other jihadist were praying that we would put 250,000 troops into Afghanistan like the Soviets did.
Using your thinking we should have invaded Germany from the North Sea in 1943.
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XM,
An armed man is called a citizen.A disarmed man is called a subject.
Who said it took 12 years to build a P51?
When did we leave Afghanistan?
Yes we can walk and chew gum at the same time. As I pointed out before your knowledge of logistics and supply are next to nothing. It is best that we choose the battlefield and not the enemy. Bin laden and the other jihadist were praying that we would put 250,000 troops into Afghanistan like the Soviets did.
Using your thinking we should have invaded Germany from the North Sea in 1943.
Bin Laden and the rest of the leadership are making deals with the Pakistanis, making more videos than Paris Hilton, and are making plans to attack us.
They are NOT in Iraq.
The ones fighting in Iraq are Sunnis and Shiites fighting for control of the gov't and oil revenue.
So you actually believe the greatest Military on Earth would have been defeated by Bin Laden? And we're just kicking the dog in Iraq? That's what you're actually saying?
Using your thinking, we should have attacked Mexico.
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im in the military Im in the middle east right now and I would do it all over again just to kill more ******* rag heads, they sucks, I hate religion it sucks. thats why were are in the middle east because of some ******* idiot following some religion or should we say calt. You can say what you want but how many of you have been over here? I dont care People try saying we are here beacuse of the oil. well your wrong No there was no nukes like he said, but this guy was doing what Hitler was doing killing people for no reason that alone is enuff. And it dont matter what the UN thinks they suck anyway. How can the UN tell us what to do when we supply 85% of everything. Man power money supplies.
9/11 is the reason we are over here. DONT FORGET!!!
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You're welcome here anytime. And yes, we have several members that have done time in Iraq (either during Desert Storm or the current campaign).
But I welcome first hand knowledge unfiltered by the media.
Talk away - whats up in your part of Sadaamland?
There are VERY few AFM members who are down on our troops (though we lay into the various members of government and their policies).
In case you're wondering where I stand:
I was against the second Iraq invasion on strategic grounds - we had Iraq bottled up and should have gone after a long list of other problems with those troops and all that money.
However, now that we're in there, doing the work and accomplishing the goals is critically important. We must keep on plugging away at the dirty job at hand.
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im in the military Im in the middle east right now and I would do it all over again just to kill more ******* rag heads, they sucks, I hate religion it sucks. thats why were are in the middle east because of some ******* idiot following some religion or should we say calt. You can say what you want but how many of you have been over here? I dont care People try saying we are here beacuse of the oil. well your wrong No there was no nukes like he said, but this guy was doing what Hitler was doing killing people for no reason that alone is enuff. And it dont matter what the UN thinks they suck anyway. How can the UN tell us what to do when we supply 85% of everything. Man power money supplies.
9/11 is the reason we are over here. DONT FORGET!!!
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"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
im in the military Im in the middle east right now and I would do it all over again just to kill more ******* rag heads, they sucks, I hate religion it sucks. thats why were are in the middle east because of some ******* idiot following some religion or should we say calt. You can say what you want but how many of you have been over here? I dont care People try saying we are here beacuse of the oil. well your wrong
No there was no nukes like he said, but this guy was doing what Hitler was doing killing people for no reason that alone is enuff. And it dont matter what the UN thinks they suck anyway. How can the UN tell us what to do when we supply 85% of everything. Man power money supplies.
9/11 is the reason we are over here. DONT FORGET!!!
Bush has stated EMPHATICALLY that Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
9-11 is NOT the reason we are over there.
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How are you different from Hitler?
Just Curious. The first part is inconsistent with the last part.
Thanks for your service!
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