Freeze something to 0 kelvin. What happens? We don't know. We believe that the subatomic particles cease to move and matter is really "frozen."
What happens at a singularity point? We don't know. We believe that infinite gravity infinitely bends time, so the classic "A Black Hole Crushes Stuff" approach doesn't work.
So, anyways, a singularity point is as close to what you're speaking of as we can sorta-visualize. Or, wait. Let's talk other dimensions. Draw a point. 1. Draw a line. 2. Draw a cube. 3? Nope. 2. Hahahah. Your Mustang- 3. Do you know what a Tessarect is? It's a 4 dimensional cube. The 4th dimension (laterally speaking) is a skew dimension. How about a pentarect? That's a 5 dimensional 'cube'. Where am I going with this? We think we see everything there is to see, but do we really know what matter is? If we can't percieve alternate dimensions that are strongly believed to exist, can we really define matter? (and mathematically speaking they do exist. I can take integrals all day long to calculate alternate dimensional densities and masses. Not like I can draw it though).
So, back to singularity. The most energetic particle (other than the elusive XHiggs Boson) we commonly see is the Photon. Light is part of the EMR spectrum, and it behaves like a particle AND a wave depending on how you look at it. It difracts, such as in the double-slit experiments, and it can be amplified through many means (LASER). It has a definite frequency and wavelength. The normal speed is calculated to an incredibly accurate number.
If there's a "thing" out there that can trap light, gammas, and x-rays, what do you suppose it is? Ok, ok. It does shoot out X-rays in the polar ejections (look at a Nasa picture of the Cygnus one). So, anywho, Einstein proved that time is a curvature that gravity strongly affects. So, if there's a point of infinite gravity, and gravity affects time, what happens? It's a limit! Yay I hate limits. Time becomes 0.
And this seeminly complicated stuff is actually pretty cool. Go on Wikipedia and search for some of this.
If you believe in the Big Bang theory, the entire Universe started out as a singularity point. Boom. It cooled down through the millenia to 3 degrees kelvin (as it is now). Graph out the cooling and you'll notice that it's a hyperbola. Does a hyperbola ever reach the asymptote? That's what a limit is. Some do, others don't. So, will the Universe ever cool to 0 kelvin? 0 kelvin is the asymptote, so I believe no. So, if everything we "know" to exist started out as a point of singularity- a point of zero time and zero volume and infinite mass, do we really have to search for a similar place. Look around. And by the way, many Christians disagree with this theory of creation. I'm a Christian and I strongly believe in it. "Let there be light". Hmm. 6 days? Who says those days were 24 hours long?
Wow... I got carried away there. Oops... Well, if you have any questions or you want to argue a point, I'd be glad to talk about this stuff. Catch me on AIM if you really want to... squirrel_Cv
So time didn't exist until after the big bang. But what spawned the big bang? Energy and matter from another universe? It makes you wonder if humanity will EVER answer some of these questions.
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So time didn't exist until after the big bang. But what spawned the big bang? Energy and matter from another universe? It makes you wonder if humanity will EVER answer some of these questions.
That's what religion is for. Good question though- It really gets ya thinking harder.
And do we really need an answer?
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I'm programming a game based on everything we're discussing here. It's been in the works since I was 15. Everything in my game, and I mean everything, is based on science and math theories. Your idea about Energy and Matter from another universe is actually the basis for a weapon in my game. Lol.
That's what religion is for. Good question though- It really gets ya thinking harder.
Try thinking about the universe never ending. I have spent many sleepless nights wondering about this.
God said he was the beginning and the end, the Alpha and Omega.
There ya go. Solved.
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Try thinking about the universe never ending. I have spent many sleepless nights wondering about this.
Well, think about it. The colder something is, the slower it moves. Fluids are SLOWER when COLD. Oh wait let me change what I said,
The less thermal energy within something, the more restrained it is in its movements. I'm talking about subatomic particles. Those add up and suddenly your whole body is slower. There's other reasons and some exceptions to this (don't count friction as an exception. Just dont)
So, we already know the universe is cooling as it expands. It is cooling at a hyperbolic rate (super fast at first, now slow as hell).
So, think about it. Even if the Universe never reaches absolute zero, it will still slow down and become slower and slower... and slower... and slower..... and slower.... and slower.... You get the idea. So, even if it never ends, time will be so slow that it will be perceived as having stopped. Think about it. On a large scale, the universe will move, but on the centurial scale, the universe stopped.
That's like watching stars move. They're whipping like hell- (redshift, blueshift, no not Dr Seuss). But down here on Earth, looking many lightyears away, they aren't moving. That's a moving reference frame. Frame of reference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's also called paralax effect like watching the view while on the highway.
That's also what a Calculus Limit is. I remember playing Diablo in 1995. There was a spell that hurt a monster by 1/3 of its current health. My friend told me it kills every monster. I disagreed. How can 1/3X = 0 when x is not zero? That's a limit. Well, does it exist?
If the Universe cools at a slowing rate, will it reach zero? Does 1/x = 0 ever equal zero as x -> 0? Look it up. I'm glad I'm done with Calculus- those years were not easy. Then you get into Number Theory and the Linear Mathematics. That's not easy either.
When I was in Calc 3, I asked my professor what we were achieving in taking the triple integral of a 5 dimensional object. Then I asked if he could graph it, just for a laugh. He told me that the outcome was not of our conern yet in our studies. I didn't like the answer, but it was a good one.
So, I will ask TPBM to close his/her eyes and imagine a point. Now, elongate that point so you have a line. Now, expand that line so you have a square. Now, extrude that square, or unfold it to create 6 squares. Fold them into a cube. Now, extrude that cube and fold them into a tessarect. Huh? What's that you say? You can't imagine it? Why not? Well, I believe you CAN. You're used to 3 percievable dimensions and the single translational dimension - time. Just like you're used to the ambient temperature. You're used to the 14.7 pounds of pressure around you. You're used to focusing your eyes on whatever you look at. Can you break that? Of course. So what's stopping you? Imagine that tessarect. Now, click this link...
I like the last one the best. BTW: You can graph 3 series with a single independent variable (4 total dimensions) with certain vector fields. They're really really really really easy to learn and fun to draw.
Well, think about it. The colder something is, the slower it moves. Fluids are SLOWER when COLD. Oh wait let me change what I said,
The less thermal energy within something, the more restrained it is in its movements. I'm talking about subatomic particles. Those add up and suddenly your whole body is slower. There's other reasons and some exceptions to this (don't count friction as an exception. Just dont)
So, we already know the universe is cooling as it expands. It is cooling at a hyperbolic rate (super fast at first, now slow as hell).
So, think about it. Even if the Universe never reaches absolute zero, it will still slow down and become slower and slower... and slower... and slower..... and slower.... and slower.... You get the idea. So, even if it never ends, time will be so slow that it will be perceived as having stopped. Think about it. On a large scale, the universe will move, but on the centurial scale, the universe stopped.
That's like watching stars move. They're whipping like hell- (redshift, blueshift, no not Dr Seuss). But down here on Earth, looking many lightyears away, they aren't moving. That's a moving reference frame. Frame of reference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's also called paralax effect like watching the view while on the highway.
That's also what a Calculus Limit is. I remember playing Diablo in 1995. There was a spell that hurt a monster by 1/3 of its current health. My friend told me it kills every monster. I disagreed. How can 1/3X = 0 when x is not zero? That's a limit. Well, does it exist?
If the Universe cools at a slowing rate, will it reach zero? Does 1/x = 0 ever equal zero as x -> 0? Look it up. I'm glad I'm done with Calculus- those years were not easy. Then you get into Number Theory and the Linear Mathematics. That's not easy either.
When I was in Calc 3, I asked my professor what we were achieving in taking the triple integral of a 5 dimensional object. Then I asked if he could graph it, just for a laugh. He told me that the outcome was not of our conern yet in our studies. I didn't like the answer, but it was a good one.
So, I will ask TPBM to close his/her eyes and imagine a point. Now, elongate that point so you have a line. Now, expand that line so you have a square. Now, extrude that square, or unfold it to create 6 squares. Fold them into a cube. Now, extrude that cube and fold them into a tessarect. Huh? What's that you say? You can't imagine it? Why not? Well, I believe you CAN. You're used to 3 percievable dimensions and the single translational dimension - time. Just like you're used to the ambient temperature. You're used to the 14.7 pounds of pressure around you. You're used to focusing your eyes on whatever you look at. Can you break that? Of course. So what's stopping you? Imagine that tessarect. Now, click this link...
I like the last one the best. BTW: You can graph 3 series with a single independent variable (4 total dimensions) with certain vector fields. They're really really really really easy to learn and fun to draw.
Just what exactly do you do for a living?
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Lol... I'm an engineer. But in my spare time I learn all I can. Like I said, I'm programming a game, and it revolves around controversial science theories. So I have to learn this stuff. That, and learning this stuff has helped me with my college classes...
So in essence nothing in this reality is solid, even steel is made 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999% out of air.
Wow let that sink in for a moment.
Actually, that's not quite accurate. If you think about it, each atom of each molecule of air has the same spaces within them... so what fills the empty space?
Now think about this for a moment, each breath of air you inhale is 99.99999999999999999999999999999% NOTHING! or SOMETHING! But what is the "something" if something is there?????
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Hello. Just to get everybody up to speed on where physics is today, quantum physics was displaced by string theory, which, among other things, says that there are 10 dimensions, in the late eighties. The problem with string theory was that they ended up with five different sets of equations, and five different theories, each slightly different from the others. String theory has now been displaced by M theory.Which has an 11 dimensional universe. The thing that makes a theory different from a religious article of faith is that one must be able to make testable predictions based on the theory.Some people kind of stumble on the 11 dimensions thing, but it really isn't as weird as it might sound, if you start from scratch and think it through. Let's start with a theory which involes a purely 2 dimensional universe, like a sheet of notebook paper on a desk. In this universe the sum of the angles of a triangle will always be 180 degrees.However, if I took a sphere, like a globe of the earth, drew two straight lines down from the north pole to the equator with those two lines being at 90 degrees from each other, what I just did was draw a triangle with three 90 degree angles, which is immpossible in a 2 dimensional universe.My theory would need to be modified to include a third dimension.Now I'm happy with my new theory because the world that I can see is now more similar to the world my theory describes. But I notice a problem with my theory. It is not possible to account for motion in a purely three dimensional theory. If I add that fourth dimension of time, I am once again happy with my theory, because it now accounts for how something can be here and then be over there. It was moving in all four dimensions.Even if something is perfectly stationary in the three spatial dimensions it is still moving along the 'axis' of the fourth dimension of time. The only spatial dimensions are the first three. The other dimension is not an additional direction in three dimensional space. It is something different. As one starts to investigate the micro and the macro , there will be observations of things that don't really come up in the more mundane world that we all actually walk around in. Physics has had to incrementally add dimensions to account for the observations in exactly the same way we just added dimensions three and four to make the theory match up with the observations. M theory has allowed them to move back to the big bang and right on through the singularity to time before the big bang and to account for how the big bang happened. The big bang is no longer just an arbitrary starting point, it is an event that is understood to some degree.
Isn't this fun?
Then there is the "slide" theory . . . THe universe is a series of snapshots and that consciousness creates a coherence/time/place.
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Actually, that's not quite accurate. If you think about it, each atom of each molecule of air has the same spaces within them... so what fills the empty space?
Now think about this for a moment, each breath of air you inhale is 99.99999999999999999999999999999% NOTHING! or SOMETHING! But what is the "something" if something is there?????
void. space between atoms.
If you were a subatomic particle, the air would look like part of a galaxy. Your body would look like a nebula.
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Yes, but the triangle doesn't have three straight lines, (as they are all conforming to the curvature of the earth) allowing it to have the three 90º angles.
ah, but triangles conform to man-made definitions of triangles. It is a closed loop. A mathematical definition.
There are no triangles in nature.
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Time travel will never be achieved. This is a statement of 100% fact and easily proven because we do not have time machines now. The second time travel was achieved, time machines would be in every time from the beginning to the end.
And triangles in nature... Hmm. That's a good point but do you consider math nature? I do. Nature is non-manmade. Mad didn't create mathematics. Math is a discovered truth. Triangles occur in nature all over the place. Spiders, for example, weave webs that, even though are composed mainly of quadrilateral shapes, have a triangular base. Each segment forms a triangle within the total shape.
Thorns are triangular, or conical. Spines in general are conical/triangular.
But I do understand what you are saying; there are no definitive triangles in nature. That is true. But triangular shapes are the basis for many many many natural beings.
I'm not trying to be an ass. Like I said, I know what you mean.
Triangles are the most statically-speaking stable units of foundations we know of. Also, it only takes 3 points to define a plane.
Given 3 points, find two lines between them by subtracting the points. Cross the lines and i,j,k value can be put in the a(x-A) + b(y-B) + c(z-C) = 1 (or 0 I forgot). Planar regions make up everything we know and see. Even spherical objects obey planar principles. Bounce a ball against the ground and it will deflect at the planar angle of impact.
to close his/her eyes and imagine a point. Now, elongate that point so you have a line. Now, expand that line so you have a square. Now, extrude that square, or unfold it to create 6 squares. Fold them into a cube. Now, extrude that cube and fold them into a tessarect. Huh? What's that you say? You can't imagine it? Why not? Well, I believe you CAN. You're used to 3 percievable dimensions and the single translational dimension - time. Just like you're used to the ambient temperature. You're used to the 14.7 pounds of pressure around you. You're used to focusing your eyes on whatever you look at. Can you break that? Of course. So what's stopping you? Imagine that tessarect. Now, click this link...
Just to get everybody up to speed on where physics is today, quantum physics was displaced by string theory, which, among other things, says that there are 10 dimensions, in the late eighties. The problem with string theory was that they ended up with five different sets of equations, and five different theories, each slightly different from the others. String theory has now been displaced by M theory.Which has an 11 dimensional universe. The thing that makes a theory different from a religious article of faith is that one must be able to make testable predictions based on the theory.Some people kind of stumble on the 11 dimensions thing, but it really isn't as weird as it might sound, if you start from scratch and think it through. Let's start with a theory which involes a purely 2 dimensional universe, like a sheet of notebook paper on a desk. In this universe the sum of the angles of a triangle will always be 180 degrees.However, if I took a sphere, like a globe of the earth, drew two straight lines down from the north pole to the equator with those two lines being at 90 degrees from each other, what I just did was draw a triangle with three 90 degree angles, which is immpossible in a 2 dimensional universe.My theory would need to be modified to include a third dimension.Now I'm happy with my new theory because the world that I can see is now more similar to the world my theory describes. But I notice a problem with my theory. It is not possible to account for motion in a purely three dimensional theory. If I add that fourth dimension of time, I am once again happy with my theory, because it now accounts for how something can be here and then be over there. It was moving in all four dimensions.Even if something is perfectly stationary in the three spatial dimensions it is still moving along the 'axis' of the fourth dimension of time. The only spatial dimensions are the first three. The other dimension is not an additional direction in three dimensional space. It is something different. As one starts to investigate the micro and the macro , there will be observations of things that don't really come up in the more mundane world that we all actually walk around in. Physics has had to incrementally add dimensions to account for the observations in exactly the same way we just added dimensions three and four to make the theory match up with the observations. M theory has allowed them to move back to the big bang and right on through the singularity to time before the big bang and to account for how the big bang happened. The big bang is no longer just an arbitrary starting point, it is an event that is understood to some degree.
