And triangles in nature... Hmm. That's a good point but do you consider math nature? I do. Nature is non-manmade. Mad didn't create mathematics. Math is a discovered truth. Triangles occur in nature all over the place. Spiders, for example, weave webs that, even though are composed mainly of quadrilateral shapes, have a triangular base. Each segment forms a triangle within the total shape.
Thorns are triangular, or conical. Spines in general are conical/triangular.
But I do understand what you are saying; there are no definitive triangles in nature. That is true. But triangular shapes are the basis for many many many natural beings.
I'm not trying to be an ass. Like I said, I know what you mean.
Triangles are the most statically-speaking stable units of foundations we know of. Also, it only takes 3 points to define a plane.
Given 3 points, find two lines between them by subtracting the points. Cross the lines and i,j,k value can be put in the a(x-A) + b(y-B) + c(z-C) = 1 (or 0 I forgot). Planar regions make up everything we know and see. Even spherical objects obey planar principles. Bounce a ball against the ground and it will deflect at the planar angle of impact.
That's not a triangle, that's a web. with a triangular base.
The map is not the land . . . Bertrand Russell, Gregory Bateson, etc.,
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Time travel will never be achieved. This is a statement of 100% fact and easily proven because we do not have time machines now. The second time travel was achieved, time machines would be in every time from the beginning to the end.
Theoretically, Time Travel is a simple idea. Time is percieved, not defined. Play a computer game. In most CP games you can watch the Frame-Per-Second value. That's the dt of the video game. It's the increment in which time acts for that game.
What's the dt for real-time? I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure there's a theory for it. But... If your perception changes, so does time. Here's neat and safe example. Wake up groggy and drink a pot of coffee. Since you're more alert after the coffee, you're more perceptive to time. Watching the clock makes time seem to go by slower. It's percieved.
Now, Einstein proved that time is a curvature easily distorted by gravity. Back to singularity, if humans could withstand that infinite pressure and density and force of singularity, we could travel back in time theoretically. All you need to do is build a spaceship that can withstand infinite force, and have thrusters on it that can push at infinity+1. Fly out to a black hole and get pulled in. Right when you enter the event horizon, hit those thrusters. Infinity + 1, get it? Since you are suspended in a place of zero time and you are going backwards, time = -1. Don't quote me. It's a theory. But gravity does effect time.
Did you know that differences in time can actually be calculated in a little distance such as a mile? Earth's gravity bends time, albeit such a small amount. I forget the value, miniscule at it is, but time is different between a 1 mile altitude on Earth. Don't believe me? I'll find the book and I'll quote it. Actually, I'm doing that right now...
HAHAH!!! I found it! I have like 400 books and I actually found the right one!!
Ok here it is:
"In the 1960's, for instance, researchers found that clocks in the mile-high city of Boulder Colorado, gained about fifteen-billionths of a second per day compared with clocks located near sea levels in Washington DC. They attributed the difference to Boulder's greater distance from the Earth's gravitational center. The time dilation effect is even noticeable on a much smaller scale. Other experimenters have shown that, remarkable as it seems, a clock on the ground floor of a building seventy-four feet tall runs more slowly than one near it's top."
-Voyage Through the Universe, The Cosmos, How Gravity Hinders Time, page 50.
So, if Earth's measly gravity can change time that much, what can infinite gravity do? Ok, ok... GMm/r^2, right? If G is infinite, then a black hole should be pulling you right now, right? Well, it is. Yup. You have an infinite amount of forces on you right now. Your mouse has a gravitation pull on you as do you on it. Everything is attracted to everything else. Uh, but wait. There are deflectors, but they aren't relevant to what we're discussing, and they are really tough to explain.
Anyways, time travel occurs when you walk up stairs. Let me re-word that. Time-differential occurs when you walk up stairs and down stairs.
Jumping back in time is impossible in my opinion. Time travel forward is easy as hell. But, remember, time is relative. You'll jump forward 1000 years and turn out as dust. Remember the original Planet of the Apes? Yeah like that..
Muhamed Ali was so fast that he could turn his bedroom light switch off and jump into bed before the room went dark.
Actually it wasn't Ali that that was said about it was a ballplayer from the old Negro leagues I think it was Cool Papa Bell but I might be mistaken, either way...that's fast.
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Time travel will never be achieved. This is a statement of 100% fact and easily proven because we do not have time machines now. The second time travel was achieved, time machines would be in every time from the beginning to the end.
Spoilsport.
Who pee'd in your cereal?? Let us enjoy the imagination a bit.
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I remember playing Diablo in 1995. There was a spell that hurt a monster by 1/3 of its current health. My friend told me it kills every monster. I disagreed. How can 1/3X = 0 when x is not zero? That's a limit. Well, does it exist?
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Ok, now the Stargate references are cool, but going to this level of Nerdness is not.
Please refrain from referencing RPG spells......they have nothing to do with time travel.
Sheesh, next you'll be breaking out the "Flux Capacitor"
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Ok, now the Stargate references are cool, but going to this level of Nerdness is not.
Please refrain from referencing RPG spells......they have nothing to do with time travel.
Sheesh, next you'll be breaking out the "Flux Capacitor"
I agree, I’ll take my Zat'nikit'el gun over his spell any day!….
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Dawrr , MAybe you should see about working at NASA !
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Ok, now the Stargate references are cool, but going to this level of Nerdness is not.
Please refrain from referencing RPG spells......they have nothing to do with time travel.
Sheesh, next you'll be breaking out the "Flux Capacitor"
I hate Stargate... Sorry, but I wanted to stab my eyes watching the movie, and the show was even worse IMO... The main character there, wazzizface, um... Macgyver or whatever, He's really anti-gun and then he fires them in the show, that hypocritical ass.
I was comparing the effect to that of a hyperbolic curve, or half-life as someone suggested. I was never one of those D&D nerds... They are the lowliest form of nerd, to be surpassed by the Runescape and Everquest Nerd, then the WoW nerd, and then further on the food chain is the Lord of the Rings nerd. I don't think I fall on that list at all. I program games some of those nerds play.
Anyways, if I shared some of the things in the game I'm programming right now, I'd earn a worse nerd image around here... lol
And by the way- Flux is another vector field thing. Funny how that stuff comes up in the weirdest places, huh?
Flux is also a compound used in soldering electronics to aid in heat transfer....
I'm a NWN nerd, I admit it. And a total Star Wars geek.
Stargate SG1 is the longest running sci fi show. Surpasses even all of the Star Trek spin-offs.
I personally love it, and the New Battlestar Galactica, they remind me of Star Wars...
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Flux is also a compound used in soldering electronics to aid in heat transfer....
I used to sell that stuff. It smells like dead fish when you use it. It's also used in plumbing when you are sweating two copper pieces together. The stuff smells.
I never watched Star Trek because I wasn't alive when most of the shows were on TV. That, and I can't stand watching tv for long periods of time (30 minutes LOL). I have to be doing something or I go nuts.
Anyways, I was working on something the other day and my parents were watching the original Star Trek. There was this monster that ate rocks and I guess it was silicon based yaddayaddayadda. So I looked at it and laughed. It looked like someone was under a decorated rug. That and the episode with the guinea-pig things that they teleported to another ship in the end.
I don't think I could watch much of that, but I do have to hand it to the writers- For what they knew then, that show was way ahead of its time. One episode had what I thought looked like a modern computer.
When I watch a movie, I'm more busy trying to find the loopholes or the continuity problems or other glitches. I can't simply watch the movie. I hate that. I just want to flip the switch to off once in a while.
Anyways, you wanted a reference to a sci-fi gun over the RPG spell reference? Hahaha.... Remember the Yamato Gun from Starcraft? No? Aww...
Wow- This got so off topic. Have to revive it LOL...
Did anybody check out the links? Did anybody think the altitude/time difference thing was cool? I hope I wasn't the only one...
Anyways, I was working on something the other day and my parents were watching the original Star Trek.
That and the episode with the guinea-pig things that they teleported to another ship in the end.
IAnyways, you wanted a reference to a sci-fi gun over the RPG spell reference? Hahaha.... Remember the Yamato Gun from Starcraft? No? Aww...
"the Trouble with Tribbles" was the episode you reference second.
There were a few silicon based monsters, hard to tell which you speak of.
The Yamato gun is best when building 3 Battlecruisers and you can destroy most buidings with one shot. Make sure to have plenty of Wraiths for cover fire, and Valkyries for air to air. Yamato gun was perfect for clearing out pesky zerg defenses...
I also loved to play the Protoss and build tons of the carrier ships, used enmasse, they could be quite devastating....
OOPS, went really deep into geekdom.....
Btw, My cleric in NWN can hellball the poopoo out of.........
The altitude thing I suspect has more to do with the actual speed of rotation away from the center of the Earth. The farther you get, the faster you are moving.
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oh, and I always understood that our concept of time was a formulation of measure on revolutions of the earth, and it's revolving around the sun....
Which brings back my question of if we could circle the sun, or earth, and arrive at the place we left from, could we get there before we left if we went fast enough?????????
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I used to sell that stuff. It smells like dead fish when you use it. It's also used in plumbing when you are sweating two copper pieces together. The stuff smells.
I never watched Star Trek because I wasn't alive when most of the shows were on TV. That, and I can't stand watching tv for long periods of time (30 minutes LOL). I have to be doing something or I go nuts.
Anyways, I was working on something the other day and my parents were watching the original Star Trek. There was this monster that ate rocks and I guess it was silicon based yaddayaddayadda. So I looked at it and laughed. It looked like someone was under a decorated rug. That and the episode with the guinea-pig things that they teleported to another ship in the end.
I don't think I could watch much of that, but I do have to hand it to the writers- For what they knew then, that show was way ahead of its time. One episode had what I thought looked like a modern computer.
When I watch a movie, I'm more busy trying to find the loopholes or the continuity problems or other glitches. I can't simply watch the movie. I hate that. I just want to flip the switch to off once in a while.
Anyways, you wanted a reference to a sci-fi gun over the RPG spell reference? Hahaha.... Remember the Yamato Gun from Starcraft? No? Aww...
Wow- This got so off topic. Have to revive it LOL...
Did anybody check out the links? Did anybody think the altitude/time difference thing was cool? I hope I wasn't the only one...
The flux used in electronics actually smells pretty good...have you ever critiqued galaxy quest? all kinds of snafu's.
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"In the 1960's, for instance, researchers found that clocks in the mile-high city of Boulder Colorado, gained about fifteen-billionths of a second per day compared with clocks located near sea levels in Washington DC. They attributed the difference to Boulder's greater distance from the Earth's gravitational center. The time dilation effect is even noticeable on a much smaller scale. Other experimenters have shown that, remarkable as it seems, a clock on the ground floor of a building seventy-four feet tall runs more slowly than one near it's top."
-Voyage Through the Universe, The Cosmos, How Gravity Hinders Time, page 50.
Are they talking about electronic display clocks or clockwork mechanism clocks? If the latter, wouldn't it make sense that the mechanism simply moves faster at higher altitudes due to lower atmospheric pressure and, in some cases, slightly lower gravitational force? Less 'force' to act against the mechanism in it's effort to move the hands could allow the mechanism - and, therefore, the hands - to move faster, right? What I am getting at is that it is possible that the mechanical apparatus of the clock itself may move faster, but since clocks are not tied directly to real time in any way, but, rather, measure man-made time (possibly in an imperfect way), just because the clock moves faster in one point than in another, that does not mean that time is moving faster in one point than another.
Think of how differently your Mustang motor would run in a place where the air is hot compared to somewhere the air is cold, or how differently it would run in Denver than it would run in Florida - the environment has an effect on the mechanism - the mechanical device - the gasoline engine, which impacts your 1/4 mile time, but it doesn't change time, itself. The less dense air at the higher altitude could cause your car to move more slowly through the 1/4 mile, right? Or would your Mustang be moving at the exact same rate of speed at every altitude but at higher altitudes it is time that is sped up, making it seem as though it took longer to get from point A to point B when it was actually just that the seconds were moving faster while relative time remained the same for you, the driver? If so, are our Mustangs rudimentary time machines?! Should people who run at higher altitude strips adjust not only for altitude but also for time differentials in order to come up with what their sea level 1/4 mile time would be? (That's for all the folks that get annoyed because threads like these aren't Mustang related!)
You guys were talking about how the map does not equal the land. In this case, the clock does not equal time. In other words, I could put two watches on my arm at once, but just because one is operating a little faster than the other does not mean that time is moving faster at my elbow than at my wrist. This situation is entirely possible since, apparently, something about my body chemistry or bioelectricity sends many watches haywire (although it has no effect on non-battery 'wind up' watches or the cheap plastic battery-operated ones.) I've even had a digital Timex stop keeping the correct time after wearing it for a couple of weeks - it got twenty minutes behind. As an experiment, I set it back to the correct time, quit wearing it and it worked perfectly - until I started wearing it again, when it eventually went right back to being twenty minutes behind. I do not take that to mean that time moves more slowly for me than for everyone else (although my wife might argue that it does), just that I sometimes screw up watches which are man-made devices, not perfect and subject to all kinds of interference.
As an aside: I know there is something weird about my body chemistry because I can also, sometimes - but not always, restore a pretty good charge to dead batteries (especially the square 9 volt batteries, but sometimes works pretty well with AA, too) by holding them in my hand for a few minutes. The receptionist where my wife works also screws up watches, but she has the opposite effect on batteries - she can hold a fully charged cellphone for just a few minutes and completely drain the battery. Weird, but not time travel.
(This really is a great discussion. I'm imagining all of us sitting around a virtual living room, beverage of choice in hand, kicking around these various ideas.)
