Hi again. Here's a thought. I wonder how this would work out. The State Department sends the saudis a message that says 'At 5 pm local time, a week from next thursday, there will be a 40 megaton hydrogen bomb detonated 4000 ft above the center of Mecca. You guys can do what you want to, but we would recommend total de-assification of the area.' and then plow up the glassy crater and subsidize pig farms for the entire area. Wait a month and repeat for Medina. Maybe that would start a push to have the crazies buried in the history books where they need to be.
Wow, that's a tough stand, Ms. V.
I can see your point...
Gosh, I didn't know you had it in you. You're making me sound like a pacifist.
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Gosh, I didn't know you had it in you. You're making me sound like a pacifist.
Hi again. That probably seems harsher at a glance than it actually is, and I am a pacifist. Bear with me for a moment and I will explain how that's the best thing for everyone, including Islam.
You have to start from here. Mythology is the religion of a conquered people and religion is the mythology of conquerors. No major religion has ever made any progress simply because that progress was a good idea. It has, in each and every case, been shoved done throats by some external factor. Take christianity for example. It starts with the Attila riding down on them in 452 and drivng Valentinian III from his capitol in Ravenna and marching on down to Rome and Constantinople. All through the middle ages the conflicts between the church and the civil authorities forced compromise on the harsher stances which motivated the Inquisition, right on through to the present where church and state battle key points to this day. Every major religion has been forced to undergo this process except for one. Islam somehow, has managed to dodge this. By erasing Mecca and making it ceremonially unclean to them, the basic life goal of a muslim to make a pilgrimage to Mecca is no longer something they have to do. You force them to make changes to accomodate the new reality. The same with Medina. We don't do that any more. Once the concept of 'We don't do that any more' is established, then you have a people that you can at least negotiate with, rather than having the only two conflict resolution strategies available be overlook them or invade them.
I would certainly give them ample time to evacuate all of the people. A senseless execution of thousands of inocent people isn't something that any sane person would be able to get on board with. But being compelled to make some changes would be a very good thing for them and everyone that has to interact with them. It must be emphasized that we are not talking about killing a bunch of people, we are talking about erasing a site the same way that St.Boniface chopped down Thor's Oak in 723
These are some pretty pathetic and evil people. They will be known by their fruit, not by their "titles" or "professed holiness". The Lord knows what is what and will judge them for their deeds on earth. So I hope their hate and mischief making now is worth an eternity of damnation later.
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Imagine the day when militant muslims start carving up chunks of territory for themselves, just like the street gangs they are beginning to resemble...
Some insight into the problem, and the demented thinking behind it.
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These are some pretty pathetic and evil people. They will be known by their fruit, not by their "titles" or "professed holiness". The Lord knows what is what and will judge them for their deeds on earth. So I hope their hate and mischief making now is worth an eternity of damnation later.
The only benefit I'd see in that is the decline in traffic jams. Then again, I'm not sure Virginia has many of those.
Medical costs would probably skyrocket tho...
I don't think it will cause a decline in traffic jams at all. I think instead you will see a huge rise in handicap plates... and fighting for those prized parking spaces.
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I don't think it will cause a decline in traffic jams at all. I think instead you will see a huge rise in handicap plates... and fighting for those prized parking spaces.
Better we don't give them ideas. I can see the new laws mandating "Muslim Only" parking spaces, sized similar to the hadicapped van slots, with a painted rectangle next to the car slot for the prayer rug.
Also, here's some background on how they breed homicide bombers:
Here they are about to lash 2 young men and then throw them off a cliff. If they are guilty of rape, I actually like the punishment...
But the deal where they are going around lopping off limbs from Sunnis because they "hate Allah" (a catch-all offense, handy for handling just about any version of non-believer, including those from the competing versions of Islam).
Ethnic cleansing with a nasty twist.
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Its an amazing sort of transformation, and pretty nasty at every level.
Since the politician happens to be a female AND a muslim, it is all the more disturbing that she is using her elected status in such a fashion.
Telling whites residing in her area that "they are now the minority" and should "drop dead" or "convert to Islam" does not portray a hopeful future for the co-existance of the two cultures.
PS: Here's an article regarding the status of women in a traditional muslim culture - this lady politician in the Netherlands could never hold office in Saudi Arabia:
Hadn't taken notice of that. IMO the Netherlands is a western country with freedom of speech. The council member had every right to voice his opinion. So did the writer that complained. His way with words however... isn't that eloquent. Nasty is too kind a word for it. Frankly, I wonder how many people actually feel the urge to flood the guy under complaint e-mails regarding that Hizb ut-Tahrir group... I know I do feel that urge.
In the mean time that movie mr. Wilders is gonna release pretty soon (which he'll likely do on YouTube) is the talk of the day here.
Muslims are already threathening to riot if what they see displeases them (which is basically a certainty), there's talk of mr. Wilders tearing up the Koran in the movie, which is a sure fire way to get the match into the powderkeg, and to top it all off it seems the Muslim community isn't activly doing much to prevent anything from happening.
The government here in the meantime has issued a letter to every county to warn them about possible uprisings, riot and whatnot and to have damage-contingency plans ready. If need be they can copy those from other cities that do have these contigency plans. Even better, they asked mr. Wilders to NOT release his movie for fear it might cause a riot. Who's threading on thin ice here now?
We're a free country, and I know I for one want to see that movie, even if it's nothing more then some crappy filmwork. Why? Because somewhere I actually hope this will cause a riot. If nothing else it'll open the eyes of some people as to the idiocy of rioting over someone's personal view.
Prime minister here keeps talking about dialog and tolerance... If riots do break out from that movie, we'll just have to point to see where the tolerance has been, and who isn't tolerant since they deem it nessecary to riot over a movie.
Heck, if things escalate the wrong way (Wilders is put to death by the riot-crowd, the justice system issues 'mild' punishments (or worse, fails to apprehend the guilty ones since they were a part of the mass), some people not accepting that and doing something on their own, and so forth, and so forth) we could have a friggin' civil war on our hands!
All in all, a scary thought. I mean, you see it happen in Middle-East, you see it happen in Africa... no way in hell you'd expect that to happen in the middle of Europe tho.
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Here's a thought. I wonder how this would work out. The State Department sends the saudis a message that says 'At 5 pm local time, a week from next thursday, there will be a 40 megaton hydrogen bomb detonated 4000 ft above the center of Mecca. You guys can do what you want to, but we would recommend total de-assification of the area.' and then plow up the glassy crater and subsidize pig farms for the entire area. Wait a month and repeat for Medina. Maybe that would start a push to have the crazies buried in the history books where they need to be.
Bear with me for a moment and I will explain how that's the best thing for everyone, including Islam. 
