RIYAD - In Saudi-Arabia a woman who forced her stepdaughter to eat a hot pepper was sentenced to 50 lashes
She argued that she wanted to raise the 5-year old girl, according to the Saudi newspaper Okaz on monday.
The real mother of the girl, exiled by the father, had filed a complaint with the police. According to the mother the radical method caused psychological problems with her daughter.
In the conservative kingdom sharia-law is in effect, which is the strict islamic law, which includes corporeal punishment in abundance. According to Okaz the next of kin of the sentenced woman are trying to persuade the mothed to think otherwise, to prevent the sentence from actually being carried out.
Then again... that's only 50 lashes... I found this one just trying to locate the english piece of the above:
Two Saudi Men Sentenced to 7,000 Lashes for Being Gay October 6th 2007
Iranian Pres. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s recent declaration that there are no gay people in Iran brought attention to the fact gays in Iran who are discovered are sentenced to death, and that a pair of teenaged boys were executed for being gay in 2005.
American conservatives, many of whom advocate re-criminalizing gay behavior, may have been able to distance themselves from the story because Iran is an enemy of the United States. But now comes word that a major U.S. ally has sentenced two men to be tortured by flogging, and that part of the sentence has already been carried out in public:
Prison authorities in Saudi Arabia have begun administering 7,000 lashes to each of two men convicted of committing “homosexual acts”, a local newspaper reported yesterday.
The Okaz newspaper says that the sentence was being meted out in “phases” and was being conducted in a public square in the southwestern city of Al-Bahah.
Neither man has been named.
The floggings began on Tuesday. The men were dragged into the square, their shirts removed and they were whipped. They were then returned to prison. The process was repeated on Wednesday and will continue daily until all 7,000 lashes have been administered.
Islamic laws prohibiting gay sex are brutal:
Among the Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence (madhahib), the Hanafi school mandates a severe beating for the first offense, and the death penalty for a repeat offender. The Shafi’i school calls for 100 lashes for an unmarried homosexual, death by stoning for a married one. The Hanbali school requires stoning across the board. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, directed his followers to kill the one who sodomizes and the one who lets it be done to him”(‘Umdat al-Salik, p17.3).
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Neko, its the basis of many misconceptions - that race matters and culture does not.
The opposite, of course, if more often the truth.
Europe AND the United States are both confronting a troubling new development that will target us first of all, if only because WE are the melting pots of the planet.
For a long time, the myriad sub-divisions that partioned Europe served to caust conflicts - but also to prevent these sorts of problems with indigestion. Now we are both cultural melting pots seeking to digest an indigestible foreign object.
There will be those who misunderstand the situation, and who view this as some sort of racial conflict.
More dangerous are those who FULLY understand the situation, and who will use race as some sort of weapon in the underlying cultural war.
The muslim lady in the Netherlands falls under this later category.
My advice: Ignore the racial camouflage, and focus on the cultural/religious agenda.
For surely that is where the danger lies.
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Don't have a problem with race at all... Heck, I know a few people from the traditionally known 'muslim' countries, and have no problem with them whatsoever. They work, they pay their taxes, they go home in the evening. I can have a laugh with 'm, they don't bother me at all.
I do have a problem with the idiots that actually go out and riot. Verbal protesting is fine, but the way the country is starting to behave now kinda makes it seem we're all getting ready for a war, since that's what was promised would come as a response to that movie. And it's all done under the guise of 'faith', and specifically islamic faith.
And if you do decide to riot instead of a peaceful protest against someone elses opinion, then I don't care if you're christian, muslim, atheist or whatever, don't care if your dutch, american, iraqi or anything else... you're an idiot in my book.
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I truly hope no riots take place - they will benefit no one.
You might, however, take a glance at the situation in France...
I have been watching that. They are having riots many weekends, including tousands of cars and buildings torched every year.
Its not a pretty sight.
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Don't have a problem with race at all... Heck, I know a few people from the traditionally known 'muslim' countries, and have no problem with them whatsoever. They work, they pay their taxes, they go home in the evening. I can have a laugh with 'm, they don't bother me at all.
I do have a problem with the idiots that actually go out and riot. Verbal protesting is fine, but the way the country is starting to behave now kinda makes it seem we're all getting ready for a war, since that's what was promised would come as a response to that movie. And it's all done under the guise of 'faith', and specifically islamic faith.
And if you do decide to riot instead of a peaceful protest against someone elses opinion, then I don't care if you're christian, muslim, atheist or whatever, don't care if your dutch, american, iraqi or anything else... you're an idiot in my book.
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Correct, this is not a race issue but one of culture. However, I will point out that in many places they target certain races who feel have no power and are marginalized (whether this is true or not, or no matter if the problems were caused by themselves and not the society they live in).
The Muslim movement appears to give “power” to their followers and gives them “support” in their anger toward everyone else in the world. It feeds off of, and fuels continued hate and violence. It is easier to hate and attack than it is to understand, and co-exist in harmony. It is easier to say “they are evil because they don’t believe what I believe” than to say “everyone has the right to believe what they want”.
And what these new Muslims don’t realize is that the perceived breaking of shackles they have taken on only leads to larger shackles should they actually achieve their goals. It is like when children don’t like living under their parent’s rules and so do bad things in opposition of those rules, but then when they become ADULTS they see that the entire world then dictates their actions, not just the relatively small influence their parents had. Now their boss, their landlord, their State/Town/Country, etc. all jump in to tell them what they can and can’t do. Yeah, they really got that “freedom” they longed for, didn’t they?
And these new Muslims are the same. They just have not reached that point yet. I would suggest they actually go live in societies that ARE ruled by Muslims and see the control that is placed on their lives. What they are experiencing now is the fashion of being a Muslim with none of the real structure and requirements the faith actually demands. They are tools used to spread the religion, but what good will those tools be when/if they succeed in converting or killing all the people on earth?
No, sorry, I see it all as a fraud. It is a fraud by those using these hate filled sad individuals, and a fraud by those using the religion as an excuse to be violent hate filled people. I see the new Muslim movement as little more than the Nazi movement replacing race with religion. And the world needs to wake up… and fast.
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Of course. Just as the lady muslim in Holland is using race baiting as a weapon in the culture wars.
Its the classic scenario: A more "civilized" opponent insists on fighting within an arbitrary set of limits and rules, while their nasty opponents wage war without limits and rules. It is the esence of the Terror War.
By moving the battlefield from the deserts of the Middle East to the streets of Western cities, they can capitalize on this advantage. Its like cultural kung fu - turning the size and strength of the opponent against them. The more domesticated the opponent, the greater the advantage for the wild interloper.
Their plan for decades has been to conquer Europe from within - and this sort of development is just the early edges of the storm.
The U.S. is a little behind the Europeans in this, and there are still powerful elements within our culture that are not very domesticated - but its a plan that is being applied to us just as it is being actively pursued in Europe.
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger.
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Originally Posted by shartley
Correct, this is not a race issue but one of culture. However, I will point out that in many places they target certain races who feel have no power and are marginalized (whether this is true or not, or no matter if the problems were caused by themselves and not the society they live in).
The Muslim movement appears to give “power” to their followers and gives them “support” in their anger toward everyone else in the world. It feeds off of, and fuels continued hate and violence. It is easier to hate and attack than it is to understand, and co-exist in harmony. It is easier to say “they are evil because they don’t believe what I believe” than to say “everyone has the right to believe what they want”.
And what these new Muslims don’t realize is that the perceived breaking of shackles they have taken on only leads to larger shackles should they actually achieve their goals. It is like when children don’t like living under their parent’s rules and so do bad things in opposition of those rules, but then when they become ADULTS they see that the entire world then dictates their actions, not just the relatively small influence their parents had. Now their boss, their landlord, their State/Town/Country, etc. all jump in to tell them what they can and can’t do. Yeah, they really got that “freedom” they longed for, didn’t they?
And these new Muslims are the same. They just have not reached that point yet. I would suggest they actually go live in societies that ARE ruled by Muslims and see the control that is placed on their lives. What they are experiencing now is the fashion of being a Muslim with none of the real structure and requirements the faith actually demands. They are tools used to spread the religion, but what good will those tools be when/if they succeed in converting or killing all the people on earth?
No, sorry, I see it all as a fraud. It is a fraud by those using these hate filled sad individuals, and a fraud by those using the religion as an excuse to be violent hate filled people. I see the new Muslim movement as little more than the Nazi movement replacing race with religion. And the world needs to wake up… and fast.
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"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
Of course. Just as the lady muslim in Holland is using race baiting as a weapon in the culture wars.
Its the classic scenario: A more "civilized" opponent insists on fighting within an arbitrary set of limits and rules, while their nasty opponents wage war without limits and rules. It is the esence of the Terror War.
By moving the battlefield from the deserts of the Middle East to the streets of Western cities, they can capitalize on this advantage. Its like cultural kung fu - turning the size and strength of the opponent against them. The more domesticated the opponent, the greater the advantage for the wild interloper.
Their plan for decades has been to conquer Europe from within - and this sort of development is just the early edges of the storm.
The U.S. is a little behind the Europeans in this, and there are still powerful elements within our culture that are not very domesticated - but its a plan that is being applied to us just as it is being actively pursued in Europe.
Danger, Will Robinson, Danger.
Oh agreed for sure.
But those who think we are far behind Europe, they may want to think that over a bit. We are already seeing problems in major cities and allowances made for Muslims that NO OTHER religious group would be allowed.
Being a Muslim is not like being a certain race, handicapped, or anything else we not only protect but make allowances for (sometimes wrongly though IMHO). It is a religion. And it is a religion that is openly attacking others, both in words and in physical action.
You are correct, it has become a Terror Organization. That is not to say that ALL Muslims are doing this, but a growing number ARE and they are not only the most vocal of Muslims but are the ones being encouraged by the Muslim leadership in many places.
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The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
We may be as little as a few years (or one election, or a single Supreme Court decision) behind the Europeans. One hopes not, but it could well happen.
I agree, we are NOT "far" behind. Our vulnerability will be greatly enhanced the more we emulate the European formula, particularly as we dismantle our individual freedoms and transfer huge swathes of our liberty over to the control of a central government. When that central government comes under the sway of the Left, our transformation will move at a very rapid pace.
Neko has been watching the events unfolding in his country, including the genuine threats of riots in the streets (I would expect them to focus on the same sort of car and building arson going on in France).
This topic bears watching.
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Oh agreed for sure.
But those who think we are far behind Europe, they may want to think that over a bit. We are already seeing problems in major cities and allowances made for Muslims that NO OTHER religious group would be allowed.
Being a Muslim is not like being a certain race, handicapped, or anything else we not only protect but make allowances for (sometimes wrongly though IMHO). It is a religion. And it is a religion that is openly attacking others, both in words and in physical action.
You are correct, it has become a Terror Organization. That is not to say that ALL Muslims are doing this, but a growing number ARE and they are not only the most vocal of Muslims but are the ones being encouraged by the Muslim leadership in many places.
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"You can never be free until you let yourself go."
We may be as little as a few years (or one election, or a single Supreme Court decision) behind the Europeans. One hopes not, but it could well happen.
I agree, we are NOT "far" behind. Our vulnerability will be greatly enhanced the more we emulate the European formula, particularly as we dismantle our individual freedoms and transfer huge swathes of our liberty over to the control of a central government. When that central government comes under the sway of the Left, our transformation will move at a very rapid pace.
Neko has been watching the events unfolding in his country, including the genuine threats of riots in the streets (I would expect them to focus on the same sort of car and building arson going on in France).
This topic bears watching.
Again, agreed.
And the thing that is worse about it all is the very freedoms which allow them to do what they are doing are the VERY SAME FREEDOMS (and more) that they are attempting to take away from anyone who does not share their religion.
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The shackles of opression and dependence are most easily slipped on with a smile and kind words of hope.
And the thing that is worse about it all is the very freedoms which allow them to do what they are doing are the VERY SAME FREEDOMS (and more) that they are attempting to take away from anyone who does not share their religion.
Cultural kung-fu.
Its why ALL the freedoms are important. If we allow our cultural enemies (within and without) to pick and choose for us like some universal a la carte menu, they will elect to strengthen those freedoms that advance their cause (and make us vulnerable - these are the roots of the politically correct agenda) while destroying those freedoms that block their agenda (and make us strong - this involves more than just the 2nd Amendment, of course).
As is often the case, the Founding Fathers had it right.
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Geert Wilders is making a movie (some people are suspecting there isn't a movie based on the fact that no snippets have made it to the public just yet, but that's besides the point). The whole country (or rather, the politically correct people) is falling over Wilders to NOT make that movie, cause it might escalate, even if they know it quite possibly contains some truth (then again, it could be so far out there that it completely skews any representation of what he's trying to say into something that's completely untrue).
Someone looked at that and stated:
So the politicians want to shoot the messenger. That does not implicate that the message is any less real
(or not real depending on the interpretation one would make. It's kind of hard to tell at the moment with the specific message not even being in existance yet).
Weird thing is... The politicians want to 'shoot the messenger' (figurativly) because it might escalate. The radical muslims will want to 'shoot the messenger' (literally) because his message (most likely) contains something they don't like. Almost sounds like they guy is between a rock and a hard place. I salute him for standing firm to his beliefs on this.
Like I said before: On one hand I want to see what's gonna happen, on the other I'm scared of what might happen...
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Nothing wrong (per se) with people using THEIR right to free speech to discuss this topic, including urging Geert to toss his project in the trash can.
Nothing wrong with folks trying to support him and encourage him to have his say, either.
"Wrong" comes in when anyone starts issuing threats of violence or seeking to coerce someone to give up their rights.
Its easy to be in favor of freedom when there's no painful cost attached. I wonder how many of your leaders have ever considered what price was paid in the past to gain those freedoms - and which might one day be demanded once again?
This is a test that some will pass and some will fail. Take notes, for it is rare to gain such an insight into the character of your national leadership.
I wish you all the very best of luck!
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Geert Wilders is making a movie (some people are suspecting there isn't a movie based on the fact that no snippets have made it to the public just yet, but that's besides the point). The whole country (or rather, the politically correct people) is falling over Wilders to NOT make that movie, cause it might escalate, even if they know it quite possibly contains some truth (then again, it could be so far out there that it completely skews any representation of what he's trying to say into something that's completely untrue).
Someone looked at that and stated:
So the politicians want to shoot the messenger. That does not implicate that the message is any less real
(or not real depending on the interpretation one would make. It's kind of hard to tell at the moment with the specific message not even being in existance yet).
Weird thing is... The politicians want to 'shoot the messenger' (figurativly) because it might escalate. The radical muslims will want to 'shoot the messenger' (literally) because his message (most likely) contains something they don't like. Almost sounds like they guy is between a rock and a hard place. I salute him for standing firm to his beliefs on this.
Like I said before: On one hand I want to see what's gonna happen, on the other I'm scared of what might happen...
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An Iranian MP says the Netherlands will face widespread protests if it gives the green light to the screening of an anti-Islam movie.
Prime minister already stated that under the freedom of speech principle he has no means of banning the movie. So Iran can protest all it wants or warn all it wants, it's not up to the dutch government. It's up to the one willing and daring to vent his personal opinion. Which is one of the principles upon the country bases itself.
Frankly, this isn't something international. It's purely internal affairs. The fact that they draw it toward religion makes people consider it to be an international point. And at that point some countries in the Middle-East feel a need to intervene.
Overall, I'm not worried about Iran's 'reconsideration of relationships'.
Thanks for the luck tho. Not sure if we're gonna need it, but all assistance is welcome
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And it is a religion that is openly attacking others, both in words and in physical action.
