you know this whole talk of getting cut off has acctually been something thats been on my mind for a while. Now that i officially have 4 tickets for speeding on my record i have finnaly decided to slow down. but all this dose is create more problems for me! now that i leave a good 3-4 car lengths inbetween the car in front of me and myself, people are ALWAYS coming into my lane and Pissin me off! eather i have to ride someones ass and risk rear ending them, or leaving to much space inbetwwen me and the other car and getting run off the road or something. and im not talking about one car, i mean like two or three trying to squeeze in between me and the car in front of me. Let me tell you, driving really tests my patience....Also, sorry about your car man, but atleast you wern't ran off the road and hit a pole or something like that. at speeds like 90 it is hard to stay in control. main reason when i race i cut it off around 65-70. otherwise it is pointless, and my top end is like poop!
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Everything County said was right on the money and I want to clarify that I do NOT feel the car that pulled out into the road is to 'blame" for this accident, not at all, but I must take issue with this statement.
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Originally Posted by countymounty
If someone looks in their mirror as sees a car 15+ car lengths back they should assume it is safe to pull out.
YES...and no. I think that if you see a car 15 lengths (or any distance) back, you should try to determine the speed that car is traveling BEFORE moving into their lane (not just "assume" its safe), then try to match their speed, or let them pass before changing lanes. At least , that's what I do...especially if I'm moving into the passing lane (lane #1) of a freeway. I wont assume ANYTHING when it comes to traffic, especially at red lights. ( I'm the guy who waits a little longer at the green light before proceding because I'm concerned that the one guy trying to beat the red light is still coming. I've seen cars get T-boned like that, its a God-awful sound!!
Perhaps this was not possible in 1998GT's case, and perhaps this is asking too much from the average driver...but I can certainly tell when someone is coming up on me like a bat outta hell, unless it pitch black out and all I can see are the headlights. If I see someone way back, but I can clearly se that they're cooking down thwe road, I wont make them hit the brakes just because I feel I have the right of way. I can wait the few additional seconds to let them go by.
I just feel that 1998GT can still point the finger at that driver for not properly asssing the situation. I dont feel a split-second glance in the rearview mirror is adequate for merging onto the freeway or changing lanes. A second glance into the rearview or over the shoulder (and a brain to interpret the visual information) may have told that driver all he needed to know. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that this driver didn't even bother to look...of course I am the one who is assuming now, but based on my own experiences I would feel fairly certain that is what happened.
This brings up another point...
Those of us who choose to drive at higher-than-posted speeds have a GREATER responsibility than that of the minions of daydreaming-drivers on the road with us to be aware of our surroundings at all times. We need to use extreme caution when deciding to race, and we need to "assume" that the other drivers have no idea that we're even there!!
Choosing when and where to do battle with another car can make all the difference.
you know this whole talk of getting cut off has acctually been something thats been on my mind for a while. Now that i officially have 4 tickets for speeding on my record i have finnaly decided to slow down. but all this dose is create more problems for me! now that i leave a good 3-4 car lengths inbetween the car in front of me and myself, people are ALWAYS coming into my lane and Pissin me off! eather i have to ride someones ass and risk rear ending them, or leaving to much space inbetwwen me and the other car and getting run off the road or something. and im not talking about one car, i mean like two or three trying to squeeze in between me and the car in front of me. Let me tell you, driving really tests my patience.
This is hard to get over, but it can be done. I used to be the same way, I'm an aggressive/competitive type personality begin with, so I understand the anger. I also drive a tractor-trailer for a living and this stuff will take years off your life by creating tons of useless stress. There is no magic bullet, or quick cure, you just have to let it go, just try and laugh it off. There will always be people who have no clue how to drive safely, and they will try your patience on a regular basis, the hard part is not to get drawn into their game.
Here's how I got my little wake up call to why this is a no win game. I had a guy whip in the granny lane in front of me and give me a big old brake check, no different than the hundreds of times before it has happened, and like many of times before, I only saw red. I hammered on it and got about 6 inches off his bumper so all he could see in his mirror was the big shiny grill and red Peterbilt emblem of the 40 ton truck he just pi$$ed off. Only this time a little girl, maybe 4-5 years old, pops up in the back seat and looks right at me, and she is terrified. I backed it down, pulled the flashers, and hit the shoulder. I sat there and thought about the fact that I could have killed that little girl just because of something silly her dad did. Then I thought about the other times I had pulled the same stupid stunt, and wondered how many times there were kids in the car I didn't see. Then I started thinking that even if there were no kids in those other cars, was it really justified to threaten someones life over a stupid traffic situation? That was over a million miles ago, but I still see that girls face when I think of doing something stupid to 'get even' with some a$$hole. I realized that you cannot be unsafe in your actions just to 'get even' with someone being unsafe. The only 'even' you will achieve, is that you are both a couple of 'even' unsafe a$$holes for everybody else on the road to contend with.
wow, saleen that was deep man. Now that i think about it i could use a little bit of that kind of sense when i drive, cause i know i drive like an ass sometimes. :thumbup
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When he went to change lanes it was only say 5 feet inbetween.
It only seemed like 5ft, but I will agree with you in a second .
This is a very basic and sloppy example of how accidents can be reconstructed ..
There are 5280 feet in 1 mile
If we assume the cobra was only doing 90mph they are traveling 475,200 feet per hour, thats 132 feet per second.
If we assume the car that cut in front was traveling at 70mph that is 369,600 feet per hour, or 102.6 feet per second.
That means the closing distance was 30 feet per second faster that the car changing lanes.
Since the average person reaction time to see and recognize a threat is Ύ of a second then assuming the information we have is correct there is no possible way the vehicle was closer then 22.5 feet in front of the when it pulled out.
So 5ft is an exaggeration, but it is just over two car lengths and I do think that qualifies as someone pulling RIGHT out in front of you. The guy most likely did not look, or he was wanting to get rear ended and get an insurance claim. So I believe 1998GT and even if the Cobra was going faster then 90mph it still doesnt qualify as the 15 + car lengths that I said before, but also I still believe if the cars had been traveling a the legal speed limit or the same speed then I bet the whole accident could have been avoided , even with a dumb a$$ pulling in front of you.
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Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
Everything County said was right on the money and I want to clarify that I do NOT feel the car that pulled out into the road is to 'blame" for this accident, not at all, but I must take issue with this statement.
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Originally Posted by Countymounty
If someone looks in their mirror as sees a car 15+ car lengths back they should assume it is safe to pull out.
I did not clarify this enough, I too would be more cautious then this, if fact after getting t-boned myself I still slow down even if I had a green light for quite awhile because I am still gun shy about assuming people will stop on a red light (my case was not it just turned green, I was free and clear from quit a distance)
What I mean here is you should drive defensively and assume the worst and be safe but the law says you must drive as cautiously as what is reasonably prudent. What this means is I dont believe the average person will automatically assume that every driver is speeding and will always wait and evaluate a persons driving to estimate their speed before they pull out. Now there might be places that everyone does speed where it might be reasonable to do this but it is not the norm and the law would not find them at fault because they did not take extraordinary measures above and beyond the normal. Meaning if the driver glanced up and saw a car 15+ car length back and then pulled out and was rear ended the driver who pulled out did nothing wrong, he would not be ticketed (unless he broke some law like signaling )
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Originally Posted by Dash Riprock
This brings up another point...
Those of us who choose to drive at higher-than-posted speeds have a GREATER responsibility than that of the minions of daydreaming-drivers on the road with us to be aware of our surroundings at all times. We need to use extreme caution when deciding to race, and we need to "assume" that the other drivers have no idea that we're even there!!
Choosing when and where to do battle with another car can make all the difference.
This is one of the most intelligent comments I have seen here on the boards in reference to speeding and is why I believe ANYBODY who drives an a public roadway should assume responsibility for there actions and quit pointing fingers. Yes I think the guy who pulled out in this case is partially responsible if he really was this close and pulled out but even then I think he is only at the VERY MOST 1/3 at fault since there were 3 cars involved in this accident. Yes I speed on the highway, I ASSUME that with my driving experience I can handle it but if I get in any accident then I must of ASSUMED wrong and I will accept that had I been traveling slower I might of handled the situation differently.
I have a shirt that was given to me for doing a public safety talk on speeding and such, it is really scary or quite comforting depending on how you look at it.
What if everyone drove like you? :thumbsup
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Every one has an opinion.
Those that put themselves at risk are OK in my book. Been there, done that. BUT! Those that put others at risk are idiots and that is the nice word I'll use here.
I have the miles under my belt to say what I want. Way over a million miles coast to coast in a semi. HUNDREDS of miles a quarter of a mile at a time in or on more vehicles than you'll ever own and a few thousand on dirt and asphalt tracks. Spent several months on an accident investigation team.
Even when I was younger and much much wilder my high speed driving was done without putting others at risk.
The two drivers in question have no respect for themselves or the public and DO NOT deserve to be let out in public.
Here's how I got my little wake up call to why this is a no win game...
Man that story was harsh. But themore i think about it i really have been more calm. for some reason latly i have been just laghfing it off, thinking Karma's a Beatch! And something i've been applying to all sitouations where i get frustrated is i just think to my self, " Is getting mad about it going to change anything?" And the answer is getting mad with just make my day worse. you just need to brush it off. save getting mad for something that deserves getting mad about, Like getting something stolen from you!
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Cold air, 65mm Throttle body, Cobra Upper and
Lower w/ 1 inch spacer,
FRPP 3.73's, BBK Under pullies,
Mac H-Pipe, Mac Cat Back, Rebuilt AOD with Transgo
stage 2 shift kit, and a 2500 stall coverter.
more to come in time.
If you are 1.9 seconds [or less] behind another vehicle, regardless of rate of speed, YOU WILL COLLIDE WITH THAT VEHICLE if they slam on the brakes........
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I'm schizophrenic and so am I........me too........shut up.....
Those that put themselves at risk are OK in my book. Been there, done that. BUT! Those that put others at risk are idiots and that is the nice word I'll use here.
I have the miles under my belt to say what I want. Way over a million miles coast to coast in a semi. HUNDREDS of miles a quarter of a mile at a time in or on more vehicles than you'll ever own and a few thousand on dirt and asphalt tracks. Spent several months on an accident investigation team.
Even when I was younger and much much wilder my high speed driving was done without putting others at risk.
The two drivers in question have no respect for themselves or the public and DO NOT deserve to be let out in public.
Suck on that!
lol you are entitled to your own opinion but ur post gave no help in this thread. You can have a million miles at the track with more vehicles that i will EVER own and spent YEARS on an accident investigation team and still end up being a dick :thumbsup i have no respect for close minded people who can't see past the fact that accidents happen both on "accident" that couldn't have been avoided and also from fault. Some also being partially both. But what can you do, make stupid posts at me . I hope i never see you on the roads, if i do though i'll give you a ricer fly by to piss you off
If you are 1.9 seconds [or less] behind another vehicle, regardless of rate of speed, YOU WILL COLLIDE WITH THAT VEHICLE if they slam on the brakes........
nahhh, you see, my reflexes are super fast; I respond at .2 seconds
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Originally Posted by countymounty
What if everyone drove like you?
That depends on how I'm driving. Sometimes I think I'd rather not think about that. Not all of them have my superior driving skills
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Originally Posted by countymounty
This is one of the most intelligent comments I have seen here on the boards in reference to speeding and is why I believe ANYBODY who drives an a public roadway should assume responsibility for there actions and quit pointing fingers. Yes I think the guy who pulled out in this case is partially responsible if he really was this close and pulled out but even then I think he is only at the VERY MOST 1/3 at fault since there were 3 cars involved in this accident. Yes I speed on the highway, I ASSUME that with my driving experience I can handle it but if I get in any accident then I must of ASSUMED wrong and I will accept that had I been traveling slower I might of handled the situation differently.
Now seriously...
First off, I do agree that if you do decide to speed, and even if you don't, that you are responsible for your own actions, don't point fingers, unless there is just cause. Don't point fingers at let's say, the new 05 op ahead that is "distracting me" because it's so gorgeous. But I think the guy that came over may be a little more than just 1/3 responsible. For instance, one time I was in an accident. The guy glided through a stop sign on my right, got into his lane (the right lane) and then cut right over and hit me. Now, even if I had been street racing at the time (but I wasn't), it would be completely his fault, IMO. He should never have just come over like that, it doesn't matter what I was doing. He should have checked to see if the lane was clear or not. That's my reasoning for pinning at the very least, some of the blame on the guy who cut over.
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......and I was just starting to like you! 
. I hope i never see you on the roads, if i do though i'll give you a ricer fly by to piss you off 
