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Old 10-17-2007   #1 (permalink)
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hello,I am trying to put a 1984 mustang 302 in my 77 Cobra II and running into problems.I am told I need a front sump oil pan and a diffrent fly wheel also the motor mounts are missing and I need some for the V8 302 I tried all parts stores and they send me some for the v6.to small... and what is a block plate? I was told I need that also.
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The Mustang II used model-specific motor mounts, frame mounts, bellhousings, flywheels/flexplates, oil pans, pickup tubes, exhaust manifolds, and block plates.

The motor mounts are completely out of production, and used sets in useable condition start at nearly $200 on Ebay you'll also need the Mustang-II specific frame mounts because the 302 has to be offset slightly to fit in the II's engine bay properly.

Bellhousings are the same way, Mustang-II specific for either the RAD 4spd or the C4 automatic, other bellhousings can be fitted into the tunnel, but a sledgehammer and a strong arm are prerequisites for making that happen.

Flywheels (manual trans.) or Flexplates (automatic trans) will present a special challenge for you; using the '84 302 means you will have to have your flywheel or flexplate re-balanced to match your later-model engine. Ford engines built before 1982 used cranks balanced to one specification, and 1982 and newer Ford engines use another, you'll have to have a machine shop do that for you. New automatic transmission flexplates are available from NAPA, manual transmission flywheels are mostly an Ebay item.

Clutch sets for the manual transmission can be found new with some work (you'll more-than likely have to dig through paper catalogs using measurements as your guide) while Torque Converters for automatic transmission cars can be a tough find unless you go used or rebuilt.

The "Block plate" is a thin piece of metal Ford uses between their engines and transmissions, I've never really understood why it was actually necessary to design it that way, but if you don't have one you'll have problems with your starter, clutch/torque converter, etc.

The oil pan and pickup tube that are Mustang II specific are only an absolute requirement for use with the Mustang II specific bellhousings, if you use a different bellhousing, any front-sump oil pan will work (though you may have to "clearance" it a bit to fit around the steering rack and K-member... sledgehammers are a prerequesite in a Mustang II owner's toolbox if they start modifying things).

The Exhaust Manifolds are surprisingly easy to get ahold of, they show up on Ebay all the time, and prices for them are pretty good (usually around $50 or so, though shipping is almost as much because they are HEAVY!!!) of course, headers are an option too, Hooker has a set still in production (EXPENSIVE!!) as does Headman (cheaper, but they fit funny.... ask someone who has a set, they'll explain that one better.) Dynomax made a set for years, but they are long out of production, they sometimes show up on Ebay too, price on those varies based on condition (I paid a little over $100 for mine)
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hello and thanks for the reply,The cobra I have has the original exhaust manifolds in the back and the trans is there with bell housing.The 84 302 I am using has the flywheel and tork converter block plate.will all that work? I noticed the tork converter out of the trans that is in the cobra is smaller . I have the frame mounts on the cobra but only one motor mount.
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The '84 flexplate and torque converter won't fit the Mustang II bellhousing, you'll have to get ahold of a Mustang II flexplate and get it rebalanced by a machine shop.

Motor mounts are gonna be an Ebay item unless you can get a junkyard that participates in a national parts locator service to find one for you, but yards know how much those things are worth too, last I checked the motor mounts were going for about $200 each from any junkyard that had them!

Sad truth is, most veteran II owners have an extra set (or two or three) stashed somewhere, but good luck getting them to part with the things... they're just too rare and they're a "wear-part" that WILL need replacing on thing cars and they know it! lol
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ok Thanks for the info i did go to a junk yard here and get a set of motor mounts for 100.00 for the pair. I also bought a flywheel from the same car a 77 mustang II and oil pan and oilpump and pick up tube.Now since I have the tork converter from the trans in my cobra (the smaller one) I can still use the flex plate( Fly wheel) if i get it balunced to match the motor I am putting in? the motor is actuaully out of an 84 Van.The tork and flywheel are much bigger.and you say they wont fit in the cobra trans bell housing?so if i balunce the fly wheel i will be ok?Also The frame mounts are still in the cobra so i just need to put in the engine mounts correct?

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