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Default Mustang II front wheel drive setup?

I want to use a Mustang II front suspension on a ground-up project. It will be lightweight, front wheel drive.
I expect to use a pushrod to an inboard coilover. Has anyone here ever seen a front drive steering knuckle used with the Mustang II suspension?
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I want to use a Mustang II front suspension on a ground-up project. It will be lightweight, front wheel drive.
I expect to use a pushrod to an inboard coilover. Has anyone here ever seen a front drive steering knuckle used with the Mustang II suspension?
Thanks,
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The Mustang II front suspension won't work with front wheel drive. There just isn't any way to drive the front wheels on a suspension setup that uses spindles and is so narrow. I'm not even sure there's an engine/transaxle assembly that will fit between the control arms.

You'd be better off looking into good-handling FWD platforms like the Chrysler LHS series (including the Concorde, Intrepid, and LHS); or, if you're not into longitudally mounted engines, the Mazda 626/MX6/Ford Probe suspension is really great as well.

The big problem you're going to run into with FWD setups is that they almost universally use strut towers, meaning you'll need a large portion of the front structure of the car. The Mustang II front suspension is wholly independent, but between it having spindles, and the control arms, shocks, and springs being directly in the way of where your C/V axles would have to go, it's not an option for front-wheel-drive.
 
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I know that i will need to do lots of machining and am prepared to do what's necessary. My drive unit will be lightweight, custom, and small, so I can deal with the narrow front end. With a pushrod to inboard coilovers, it seems that my biggest obstacle would be building a bracket from the top of the knuckle to the top ball joint.

For my project design, I can't use struts due to the height, so I'm faced with trying to adapt the double wishbone to front wheel drive.

If anyone knows of another double wishbone setup that is front wheel drive, I'm open to all suggestions.
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Honda's have double wish bone's in front and rear I believe.
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Yes, I have looked at various other double wishbones, however, most of them have the upper wishbone above wheel height. I have to keep the lower profile like formula one.
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Yes, I have looked at various other double wishbones, however, most of them have the upper wishbone above wheel height.
The reason for that being that they're fitting in a C/V axle through them as well as hubs. What exactly are you trying to build anyway?
 
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seems like it COULD work with lots of machining your own parts. in the end i would imagine it not even looking anything close to a mustang II suspension. to get around the coil springs with a CV axle you'd have to go the wishbone honda route (civics of the late 90's), but then you'd have a coil extending above the wheel height, like the photo i've attached of a 98 civic front suspension.

just my 2 cents. good luck.
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I have done a bit of thinking along the lines of FWD in a II, but only at the "I wonder if" stage. Have you looked at the AWD front setup from the Aerostar?

I've always thought an AWD II with the front subframe assembly from the Aerostar replacing the Mustang stuff might be workable, since the Aerostar front end unbolts as a unit, and is already capable of holding a 2.8 without modification (the 86 model was available with the same V6 as the II)

Imagine: an AWD II with 200 hp from a V6....I think the hardest part would be getting the AWD transfer case tucked up under the floorpan far enough to clear pea gravel...
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I'm really wondering why anyone would want to put that much effort into anything front wheel drive? unless its a special racing class that requires it, because rear wheel drive is Superior in every way over FWD.

Please tell us more about what you are building.

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because rear wheel drive is Superior in every way over FWD.
depends on what type of racing you are doing.
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Honda's have double wish bone's in front and rear I believe.
right you are my 95 accord has that setup, you could grab a full front subframe from a junkyard for around 140ish, and it leaves plenty of room for a bigger engine as well. ( i had thoughts of droppin a 302 in it at one point, the honda that is)
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depends on what type of racing you are doing.
What do you mean?
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FWD is better for traction and control in rally racing than RWD (unless it's rear engine-RWD like a porsche or a beetle). although front engine-RWD is more fun and challenging in all cases.
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Lots of good ideas bouncing here....thanks! I am building a lightweight reverse trike, full electric AC drive, lithium batteries. The first one will be planned for specialty use, then maybe street machines after that.

I would like to be as close to Formula One front end as possible, with the Mustang II aftermarkets being the closest thing to production availability that I've seen. I assume that I'll have to redesign the shock towers and use a linkage pushrod to center-mounted coilovers so that the drive axle can go through, but I have to stay low. The AC motor will bolt to a small differential and probably be direct drive, single speed.

If y'all want a good laugh, go to Fun E Cars to see the first couple prototypes with the electric drive. They were both street legal and driven around town here for the past year. The drive is decent and I am in the middle of installing that motor/drive in a 2006 Suzuki Katana 750 and it will be for sale.

The reverse trike will be a little larger motor, AC with solid state controller, regen braking, and it needs to be pretty quick up to about 100 mph. If you have seen the T-Rex, it will be a similar frame design.
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Why not use the front end out of a Metro? It's light, it's compact, it handles relatively well, and it's low to the ground even WITH strut towers?
 
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