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(*Editors Note | The implications of the thought process delineated below should give everyone pause. When Rumsfeld tells his generals to get in line for war or find another job, that is serious. When Bush lets it be known within his administration that disagreement with his policies is tantamount to treason, that is serious. Mr. Bush appears to be ensconced in an echo chamber that allows only voices of approval and total support to be heard. France, Germany, Russia and China will get on board, the echoes say. The generals are behind us, the echoes say. Treason is an appropriate charge to level against dissenters, the echoes say. This would not be the first time in history that a leader is led to war by a cavalcade of yes-men. If this situation goes awry, however, it may be the last time. - wrp)

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Role Reversal: Bush Wants War, Pentagon Urges Caution
From Capitol Hill Blue | CHB Investigates. . .
By Doug Thompson

Wednesday 22 January 2003

Senior Pentagon officials are quietly urging President George W. Bush to slow down his headlong rush to war with Iraq, complaining the administration's course of action represents too much of a shift of America's longstanding "no first strike'' policy and that the move could well result in conflicts with other Arab nations.

"We have a dangerous role reversal here,'' one Pentagon source tells Capitol Hill Blue. "The civilians are urging war and the uniformed officers are urging caution.''

Capitol Hill Blue has learned the Joint Chiefs of Staff are split over plans to invade Iraq in the coming weeks. They have asked Secretary of Defense Donald Rumseld to urge Bush to back down from his hard line stance until United Nations weapons inspectors can finish their jobs and the U.S. can build a stronger coalition in the Middle East.

"This is not Desert Storm,'' one of the Joint Chiefs is reported to have told Rumseld. "We don't have the backing of other Middle Eastern nations. We don't have the backing of any of our allies except Britain and we're advocating a policy that says we will invade another nation that is not currently attacking us or invading any of our allies.''

Intelligenced sources say some Arab nations have told US diplomats they may side with Iraq if the U.S. attacks without the backing of the United Nations. Secretary of State Colin Powell agrees with his former colleagues at the Pentagon and has told the President he may be pursuing a "dangerous course."

An angry Rumsfeld, who backs Bush without question, is said to have told the Joint Chiefs to get in line or find other jobs. Bush is also said to be "extremely angry'' at what he perceives as growing Pentagon opposition to his role as Commander in Chief.

"The President considers this nation to be at war,'' a White House source says,'' and, as such, considers any opposition to his policies to be no less than an act of treason.''

But conversations with sources within the Bush administration, the Pentagon, the FBI and the intelligence community indicate a deepening rift between the professionals who wage war for a living and the administration civilians to want to send them into battle.

Sources say the White House has ordered the FBI and CIA to "find and document'' links between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the 9-11 terrorist attacks.

"The implication is clear,'' grumbles one longtime FBI agent. "Find a link, any link, no matter how vague or unproven, and then use that link to justify action against Iraq.''

While Hussein and Iraq have been linked to various terrorist groups in the past, U.S. intelligence agencies have not been able to establish a provable link with bin Laden's al Qaeda forces.

"There may be one,'' says another FBI source. "There should be one. All logic says there has to be one, but we haven't established it as a fact. Not yet.''

Pentagon planners privately refer to the pending Iraq conflict as a "Bush league war,'' something that may be fought more for political gain than anything else.

"During Desert Storm, the line officers wanted to finish the job, wanted to march into Iraq and take out Hussein and his government, but President Bush and JOC Chairman (Colin) Powell pulled the plug on the operation,'' says one Pentagon officer. "We had our chance. We had the justification. We had the support. We don't have it now.''

Some Pentagon staffers point to last weekend's antiwar rally in Washington, where they say the crowd included many veterans of Desert Storm.

"This wasn't just a bunch of tree huggers and longhairs marching,'' says Arnold Giftos of Huntington, West Virginia, who served in Desert Storm and who came to march. "Go to any meeting of veterans groups in this country and you will see serious discussion on whether or not we should be getting into this war.''

Reporters covering the marches on Saturday and Sunday say they counted about 500 marchers among the 30,000 who carried signs or other items identifying themselves as veterans.

"I served in Vietnam,'' said Robert Brighton of Detroit, who marched in Washington. "I supported Desert Storm. I don't support this. It's madness.''

In addition, Capitol Hill Blue has learned that both House Speaker Dennis J. Hastert and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist have told the White House that they have "increasing'' numbers of Republicans in both Houses raising doubts about the war.

"Nobody in the party wants to come out publicly and tell the President he's wrong,'' says one Hill source close to the GOP leadership, "but we don't have the kind of unity we need on this thing. It could blow apart on us at any time.''

Public support for a war with Iraq is also slipping. In November of 2001, just two months after the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, 78 percent of Americans favored military action against Iraq. That support has slipped to as low as 52 percent in January polls. A Washington Post-ABC news poll taken last week shows Americans evenly split over Bush's handling of the crisis with Iraq.

Spokesmen for the White House, Pentagon and Congressional leadership offices would not comment on the record for this report.

(In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.)


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John Duncan, a Republican, represents the 2nd Congressional District of Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives. The above commentary has been adapted from a speech Rep. Duncan delivered on the floor of the House, June 5, 2002. To contact him, Click Here.

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America Should Not Instigate War Against Iraq

The Honorable John Duncan

Ever since the Gulf War ended in 1991, the U.S. has been spending about $4 million a day enforcing a no-flight zone in Iraq, $4 million a day. This has been a tremendous waste of money and manpower.

I believe almost all Americans would have preferred that this 12 or $13 billion that has been spent over these years would have been spent in almost any other good way. Most Americans have not even noticed that we have been dropping bombs and still shooting at missile sites all these years in Iraq. I remember reading a front page lengthy story about a group of Iraqi boys we accidentally killed there.


Now there are some people here in Washington who seem to be clamoring for us to go to war against Iraq. I represent a very patriotic pro-military district in Tennessee. My people will strongly support our troops if we go to war. But I can assure you that as I go around my district I hear no clamor or even a weak desire to go to war against Iraq.

Saudi Arabia had much more to do with the September 11 tragedies than Iraq did. I heard yesterday that one of the main financial backers of the terrorists is from Kuwait. Yet we are not talking about going to war against Saudi Arabia or Kuwait, nor should we. We have been too quick to get involved in ethnic or religious disputes around the world. We have been too quick to drop bombs on people who want to be our friends. We turned NATO from a defensive organization into an offensive one in Bosnia.

Chris Matthews on Hard Ball the other night said, "In the past we always had the world on our side because we did not go to war unless we were attacked."

He strongly questioned this eagerness to go to war against Iraq. He said in a recent column that the American people are being "herded into war." A war that he says will just lead to more hatred of the U.S.

David Ignatius, the nationally syndicated columnist for the New York Herald Tribune and The Washington Post wrote on March 15: "How can the United States sell a war against Iraq to skeptical Arabs and Europeans? A good start would be to level with them and admit there is no solid evidence linking Baghdad to Osama bin Laden's terrorists attacks against America."

The Joint Chiefs of Staff have questioned this eagerness to go to war against Iraq. Yesterday, William Raspberry, the very highly respected columnist for The Washington Post, in a nationally syndicated column repeated words he had written a dozen years ago. He wrote: "...It is not that I doubt the ability of America's fighting forces to take out a third-rate power like Saddam Hussein's Iraq. My doubts concern the purpose for doing so. Saddam is being described as a ruthless and power-mad tyrant bent on achieving political control of the Arab world. I do not question the description, but it does seem to me that most of the current saber rattling is coming from Washington, not Bagdad." And Mr. Raspberry continued: "I wrote those words a dozen years back when the first President Bush was contemplating the invasion of Iraq. Why are we rattling sabers now? The reason I recall my earlier doubts is that they are so much a carbon copy of my present ones." ...

In 1990, Saddam Hussein, who I am not praising or defending in any way, had invaded Kuwait and was threatening to go further. We had to act and I voted for the original Gulf War.

However, we later found out the Iraqi military strength had been greatly exaggerated. The so-called "elite" Praetorian Guards were surrendering to CNN camera crews or anybody who would take them. Hussein has been greatly weakened since then in almost every way. Let us not exaggerate his strength this time. If he starts to attack us, I will be the first to support a war effort, but please let us not provoke war. Let us not change the name of the Department of Defense into the War Department once again. We should not try to be the policemen of the world. We should try as hard as we can to reestablish our reputation as the most peace-loving Nation on the face of the Earth.
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A lot of you guys think that the we are gonna send a whole bunch of troops in and kill everything we see. Except for the guy flying the plane with missles on it and the guy on the big boat launching the Cruise missles, not one U.S. soldier will even pull a trigger for at least the first few weeks of the war.

Some of you guys are complaining about how the economy will suffer and world economies will falter. The only reason the economy will suffer is because we can't stick together like we used to. WWII pulled the nation out of the Great Depression because everyone pitched in and did something to help out. New jobs were created and the economy thrived. Today, people are running around scared. They want to argue rather than cooperate. Fear is what is killing the economy, not the war.

And for those of you who completely disagree with the war, do you have a better idea? We've only been trying the peacful way for the past 12 years. Saddam has learned to ignore our idel threats and keeps on doing what he wants to. The inspections aren't working. The only reason Iraq is cooperating now is because they have already hidden all the evidence. They've been stalling the inspectors for the past 3 or 4 months while behind the scenes they pulling a curtain over everything.

When did everyone become such pusses? What if they attack us with chemical weapons after we attack? What if they commit suicide attacks after we attack? Guess what? They are gonna do it whether we attack or not. This is no time to be scared! During times like these, the strong and courageous take a stand and do something about the problem rather than accepting their fate while the weak get kicked to the side! Sadaam and the Muslim extremists already hate us just because we are who we are. Whether we defend ourselves or not, they are still gonna hate us. What does that say about the world if it's stongest nation lets a small group of radical thugs dictate its future? It's not a world I want to be in.
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August 14, 2002 9:20 a.m.
With Eyes Wide Open
A strategy for war with Iraq.



he Bush administration has made a strenuous effort to avoid a public debate on going to war with Iraq. Nonetheless, such a debate is now underway and that is a good thing. As congressional testimony and a veritable flood of leaks illustrates, there are many important issues to vet, and this vetting should not be limited to the executive branch. The three most important issues are first, whether the president needs congressional authority to go to war with Iraq; second, if war is chosen, what the best course of action is; and finally, what is the plan for war termination.

Some are taking the position that the president does not need additional authorization from Congress to prosecute a war against Iraq. They contend that Congress granted that authority in legislation passed shortly after 9/11. This view was expressed by Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott on July 31: "I suspect that al Qaeda elements are in Iraq. The resolution we passed...made it very clear that the president has the authority to pursue ...al Qaeda wherever they may be found, in whatever country, which could very well include Iraq."

In a narrow sense, Sen. Lott is right. The post-9/11 congressional resolution, like the Gulf of Tonkin resolution at the beginning of the Vietnam War, can be said to constitute a contingent declaration of war. While many constitutional authorities believe the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was an abdication of Congress's responsibility under the Constitution, there is no question that since the end of World War II, this has been Congress's preferred method of disposing of its own war power.

But this approach is flawed. The Founders gave the central war power to Congress for a reason — the decision to go to war is one of the most fundamental questions confronting a republic. The people must be consulted.

Of course the president's has his own constitutional source of power: He is the Commander-in-Chief, which directly bestows upon him powers in times of military crisis that are not derivative of any congressional power. One of these powers is the prerogative.

According to John Locke, the prerogative is "the power [of the executive] to act according to discretion for the public good, without the prescription of the law and sometimes even against it." Since the fundamental law that the executive ultimately must implement is to preserve society, it is "fit that the laws themselves should in some cases give way to the executive power, or rather to this fundamental law of nature and government, viz. that as much as may be, all members of society are to be preserved."

The prerogative is rendered necessary by the fact that laws arising from legislative deliberation cannot foresee every exigency. For the safety of the republic, the executive must retain some latitude for action. Thus since Congress was not in session when Ft. Sumpter was attacked, President Abraham Lincoln called up volunteers, declared a blockade of Southern ports, and suspended the writ of habeas corpus in some areas.

But it would be difficult for the president to invoke the prerogative in striking Iraq. This would not be a response to an attack but a decision to engage in offensive action, albeit for arguably long-term defensive purposes.

Accordingly, the president would be wise to emulate his father who asked for and received a de facto declaration of war from Congress in 1991. For one thing, such a step would redress the imbalance in the constitutional war power that arose during the previous administration when Mr. Clinton used American forces almost at will, rarely consulting with Congress.

HOW SHALL WE FIGHT?
Next, how should we go about fighting a war with Iraq? Leaks indicate there are major fissures within the administration about how to proceed. And the leaks themselves create another set of questions. As Brian Knowlton wrote in the International Herald Tribune of August 31, "analysts at home and abroad have been both puzzled and fascinated by the profusion of details pouring from a Pentagon and an administration known as unusually tight-lipped."

In the May 5 Los Angeles Times, William Arkin became one of the first to detail the ongoing battle over a war plan for Iraq. But this past month has seen the trickle of leaks become a torrent. On July 5, the New York Times described a plan to attack Iraq from three sides with a force of up to 250,000 troops. On July 10, the same paper claimed that Jordan might be a base for an invasion.

On July 28, the Times reported a plan to take Iraq from "the inside out" by rapidly seizing Baghdad and "decapitating" Iraq's leadership and command and control. And on August 1, Tom Ricks of the Washington Post wrote about civilian criticism of the uniformed military for the latter's lack of innovation in planning for an attack. As the Financial Times of London editorialized on July 30, "Never in the field of human conflict has so much war planning been revealed to so many by so few. The Bush administration seems to have a different strategy for dealing with Saddam Hussein every day of the week."

The first thing to note about the leaks is that combatant commanders are always planning for contingencies. All of the regional combatant commanders have a series of numbered war plans that are constantly under revised based on changing circumstance and the outcome of war games. These plans are very detailed, including annexes on everything from the enemy order of battle to logistics. So it shouldn't surprise anyone that Central Command has a war plan for Iraq. It would be a dereliction of duty of it didn't.

But what is going on with the leaks? Tony Blankley of the Washington Times opined recently that the leaks were purposeful. On July 31, he conjectured that "we are in the midst of a mind-numbing government disinformation campaign designed to baffle and rattle the Iraqi regime, preparatory to the commencement of hostilities." Maybe. But I am inclined to believe that the leaks reflect fault lines based on very different conceptions about how to fight prospective wars. They are really about what the U.S. military should look like in the future.

One of the fault lines lies between civilians and the uniformed military. According to the incomparable Tom Ricks, this debate has two components. The first concerns the reluctance of many senior officers to launch a war in the first place. Many seem to prefer a continuation of the current policy of containment. The second pits "the civilian leadership pushing for innovative solutions using smaller numbers of troops" against "military planners repeatedly responding with more cautious approaches that would employ far larger forces."

In fact, there are precedents to both disagreements. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Colin Powell argued against the early use of force against Saddam in 1991, preferring the use of sanctions. But he failed to convince President Bush. The war was launched and like all good soldiers, Gen. Powell carried out his orders despite an misgivings he may have had.

And in late 1990 and early 1991, the civilian leadership rejected the early war plan presented by Gen. Norman Schwartzkopf at Central command and ordered a return to the drawing board. CentCom's first plan called for a frontal assault to penetrate Iraqi positions in southern Kuwait and a drive toward Kuwait City. The problem was that this plan was unlikely to achieve the foremost military objective of the ground war: the destruction of the three divisions of Saddam's Republican Guard. The revised plan was far more imaginative. It called for the Marines and other Allied forces to "fix" the Iraqi forces south of Kuwait City while the VII and XVIII Airborne Corps executed a Kesselschlacht, a strategic envelopment from the west toward Basra — dubbed "the left hook" by the media. The purpose of this maneuver was to trap the main Iraqi forces, especially the Republican Guard, before they could escape across the Euphrates.

The response of the military to some of the civilian initiative reflects the soldier's propensity to hedge against uncertainty and the likelihood that things won't go as planned. The hard charges may not like it, but the response of the military is understandable, given that soldiers will have to execute the plans and will suffer the consequences of failure.

Take the "inside out," "bolt from the blue" plan. The idea here is to carry out what used to be called a coup de main, a rapid seizure of key installations in Baghdad and elsewhere, involving, according to Tom Ricks, "narrowly focused airs trikes combined with a sprint of armored vehicles from Kuwait to Baghdad....Yet no matter how innovative the suggestions, the planners at Central Command seem to weigh them down with conventional thinking that would prolong both the preparations for any attack and the war itself, according to people involved in the process."

The potential problem here was well expressed by the Prussian Count Helmuth von Moltke (the Elder), Chief of the Prussian General Staff during the Wars of German Unification: "No plan of operation extends with any certainty beyond first contact with the main hostile force." There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is "friction," described by Carl Von Clausewitz as "the only concept that more or less corresponds to the factors that distinguish real war from war on paper." As the "philosopher of war" continued,

<blockquote>everything in war is simple, but the simplest thing is difficult. The difficulties accumulate and end by producing a kind of friction that is inconceivable unless one has experienced war. Countless minor incidents-the kind you can never really foresee-combine to lower the general level of performance, so that one always falls far short of the intended goal....The military machine-the army and everything related to it-is basically very simple and therefore seems easy to manage. But we should keep in mind that none of its components is of one piece: each part is composed of individuals,...the least important of whom may chance to delay things or somehow make them go wrong....This tremendous friction, which cannot, as in mechanics, be reduce to a few points, is everywhere in contact with chance, and brings about effects that cannot be measured, just because they are largely due to chance.</blockquotE>

Three examples illustrate friction at work. The first is the Allied amphibious assault at Normandy on D-Day 1944, portrayed with striking realism in Steven Spielberg's magnificent film, Saving Private Ryan. The operational plan for the amphibious assault on Omaha Beach was extremely detailed. Unfortunately, in conformity with Motlke's dictum, things began to go wrong early and often. For instance, most of the amphibious tanks that were supposed to provide cover for the Omaha Beach landing sank before reaching shore. Combat engineers in the initial assault wave were supposed to destroy the obstacles that the German defenders had arrayed on the beach and mark the approaches for the landing craft carrying the subsequent assault waves. But strong currents carried the landing craft of the first wave off course by as much as 1,000 yards.

As a result, most of the obstacles were not destroyed and as the follow-on waves approached the beach, men began to use the obstacles as cover from the murderous German defensive fire. Because of this manifestation of friction and chance, landing craft began to stack up, men wading ashore were mowed down, and others, paralyzed by fear, drowned as the tide came in.

But the soldiers kept coming. And thanks to the selfless leadership of small unit commanders such as the officer played by Tom Hanks, Capt. John Miller, and the discipline and courage of individual soldiers who kept moving forward, individually and in small groups, despite the most powerful emotion known to human beings — fear arising from the instinct of self-preservation — the landing eventually succeeded.

The second example is provided by Desert Storm. Although the plan described above was excellent, it did not achieve its goal because of unexpected developments. For one thing, the Marine "fixing" attack was too successful, driving the Iraqis out of their defenses rather than fixing them in place. And the strategic envelopment of the VII Corps took too long to develop. Much of the Republican Guard escaped, providing the basis for Saddam's continued rule in Iraq.

Finally there is the operation portrayed in the book and movie Black Hawk Down. The mission was expected to take less than an hour. But the cumulative effect of "countless minor incidents" changed what was supposed to be a routine, rapidly executed operation into an 18-hour debacle that cost the lives of 18 American soldiers and hundreds of Somalis. There was no backup plan. There was no hedge against uncertainty and friction. And Americans died, despite remarkable bravery and tactical competence.

Of course, we are often assured today that technology permits us to avoid the effects of friction. For instance, the former Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral William Owens, has made the extraordinary claim that "technology could enable US military forces in the future to lift the 'fog of war'....battlefield dominant awareness — the ability to see and understand everything on the battlefield — might be possible." But the good admiral is wrong. In masterful study of Clausewitzian friction several years ago, Barry Watts argued persuasively that "general friction" is a "built-in or structural feature of combat processes" arising from the fact that war is a human enterprise. "The propensities and constraints built into humankind by biological evolution provide a wellspring for general friction that seems likely to persist at some level as long as Homo Sapiens do."

The other fissure, a corollary of the first, is the one between advocates of air power and information operations on the one hand and supporters of the idea that a U.S. victory will require a substantial ground force. The former tend to support either the "bolt from the blue" or the "Afghan Model" — the employment of heavy and accurate air power in conjunction with allied fighters, supported by a small number of U.S. special-operations forces (SOF) to plan and coordinate air strikes. The latter favors what has come to be called "Desert Storm II" or "Desert Storm Lite" — a campaign involving a force of some 250,000 US troops with a substantial ground component.

Critics of the former contend that the Afghan model will not work in Iraq because there is nothing like a "Northern Coalition" in Iraq around which an operation can coalesce and that the "bolt from the blue" smacks too much of the plan that failed in Somalia. Critics of the latter argue that cautious military planners lack an appreciation of the degree to which technological advances have improved the military's capabilities over the recent decade. I myself favor something along the lines of the "bolt from the blue" Boldness often pays high dividends despite the risk. Patton understood and acted on Frederick the Great's dictum: "l'audace, l'audace, toujour l'audace." So did MacArthur at Inchon, Stonewall Jackson in his Shenandoah Valley campaign, and Grant at Vicksburg. Still, I understand the objections of those who advocate a larger ground component.

Which plan prevails will be determined by more than assumptions about the effectiveness of air power and information operations vs. ground forces. It will depend upon a great deal on geopolitical circumstances. If we can't count on Turkey and Saudi Arabia for basing support, the ability of the United States to employ land-based air power will by no means be impossible, but will be rendered much more difficult. The U.S. has established air bases in Qatar and Kuwait, but they lack the capacity of the Saudi bases from which U.S. aircraft operated during Desert Shield/Desert Storm a decade ago.

ENDING THE THING
Regardless of what plan is chosen, a major consideration must be war termination. The United States has not done very well with war termination over the last decade. While U.S. forces easily have defeated adversaries on the battlefield, the resulting military successes infrequently have been translated into political ones. A case in point is the Gulf War.

A major cause of this less-than-stellar U.S. record in war termination can be traced to an all-too-literal application of the guidelines for the use of force first articulated in 1984 by Ronald Reagan's secretary of defense, Caspar Weinberger and reiterated by Colin Powell when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In the case of the Gulf War, the Weinberger-Powell doctrine resulted in military objectives that were too narrow to accomplish the necessary political outcome. The emphasis on quickly ending the hostilities — for public relations reasons rather than for politico-military considerations — ensured that even these narrow objectives were not achieved.

The political goals of the Gulf War as laid down by President Bush and the other coalition leaders were 1) the expulsion of the Iraqis from Kuwait and 2) the destruction of Saddam Hussein's power base in Iraq. Both of these political objectives required the destruction of the Republican Guard, upon which Saddam's power was thought to rest. The destruction of the Republican Guard was the primary military objective of the ground war.

Given the dependence of the political objectives upon attainment of the military ones, President Bush originally planned to allow his theater combatant commander, Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf, to determine the timing of the war's end. Even with the problems associated with the execution of his plan, U.S. forces were poised to "close the gate" on the Republican Guard on February 28, 1991.

But then came the order to end the ground war. To many of those "on the ground," the order seemed premature, driven not by politico-military considerations — the objective of destroying the Republican Guard, but by public-relations concerns — the desire to end the ground war in 100 and not have the world see the U.S. "pour it on."

By law, the military leadership is obligated to provide the civil authorities with the best possible military advice. The record indicates that Gen. Powell, who was responsible for providing this military advice to President Bush, recommended an end to hostilities based not on military considerations, but on public relations ones — concern about how the world perceived what was turning into a one-sided rout by American forces.

It seems clear that to have fulfilled his statutory obligations, Gen. Powell should have asked his field commanders if the military objective of the war had been achieved, i.e. had the Republican Guard been destroyed? Receiving a negative reply, he should have recommended that the ground war continue. Had the president rejected his advice, Powell still would have done his duty while reflecting the view of his field commanders closest to the action.

But the field commanders who could have told the chairman and the president that the Republican Guard had not been destroyed were not consulted. Instead, they were presented with a fait accompli. Given the deterioration of the U.S. position in the Gulf since the war, Gen. Powell's failure to render his best military advice ranks as a failure of major proportions.

As Clausewitz observed over a century and a half ago, "in war, the result is never final...The defeated state often considers the outcome merely as a transitory evil, for which a remedy may still be found in political conditions at some later date." Today we are reaping what we sowed in 1991 by not effecting a regime change then. Any plan to fight in Iraq must not repeat this mistake.


— Mackubin Thomas Owens is professor of strategy and force planning at the Naval War College in Newport, R.I. He is currently working on a book tentatively entitled Sword of Republican Empire: A History of U.S. Civil-Military Relations.











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You all have to think about this. I was told storys by my grandfather about world war two. He was on the front lines and smack dab in the middle of Germany. He would tell me when they went to set the jews free form the camps there was 5 German guards and about 5,000 Jews behind old crappy fences you could have pushed down. When I heard this I lost all repsect for the cause of them. We lost thousands of brave men so those people wouldent be the first one to be killed. It almost makes me sick. One of my grandfathers best friends was killed during the war by another soldier..and all for nothing. I wish I could have him talk to all of you about it. He gets very depressed and angry when he discusses the camps and how if one person in there would have just taken one German with them they would have saved thousandsand ended the war. Were people really that wussie not to care a cent about thier life and the lifes of others? Think 5,000 jews to 1 guard and they didnt do anything. Im mad talking about this now.



We need to go into Iraq and disarm him. We all know he as something...We all will be wishing we would have done this earlier until they shoot one and New York is gone. You live in America you need to defend it and quit worrying about omg they dont have anything...Yes they do. They have it enough said. I guess if you dont agree with what Bush is doing..I dont see anyone running to live over there do I ? A good war will toughen everyone up...where did this Im a wuss come from?
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A lot of you guys think that the we are gonna send a whole bunch of troops in and kill everything we see. Except for the guy flying the plane with missles on it and the guy on the big boat launching the Cruise missles, not one U.S. soldier will even pull a trigger for at least the first few weeks of the war.
Not in urban warfare

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Some of you guys are complaining about how the economy will suffer and world economies will falter. The only reason the economy will suffer is because we can't stick together like we used to. WWII pulled the nation out of the Great Depression because everyone pitched in and did something to help out. New jobs were created and the economy thrived. Today, people are running around scared. They want to argue rather than cooperate. Fear is what is killing the economy, not the war.
Nope! It was gov't spending during and after WWII. Same as what's kept us afloat for the past couple of years . . . That and we had the only manufacturing capability left . . . The U.S. supplied the world.


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And for those of you who completely disagree with the war, do you have a better idea? We've only been trying the peacful way for the past 12 years. Saddam has learned to ignore our idel threats and keeps on doing what he wants to. The inspections aren't working. The only reason Iraq is cooperating now is because they have already hidden all the evidence. They've been stalling the inspectors for the past 3 or 4 months while behind the scenes they pulling a curtain over everything.
In case you weren't paying attention. The inspections were working until Iraq "proved" we were spying. World (specifically Arab) opinion then turned against us.

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When did everyone become such pusses? What if they attack us with chemical weapons after we attack? What if they commit suicide attacks after we attack? Guess what? They are gonna do it whether we attack or not. This is no time to be scared! During times like these, the strong and courageous take a stand and do something about the problem rather than accepting their fate while the weak get kicked to the side! Sadaam and the Muslim extremists already hate us just because we are who we are. Whether we defend ourselves or not, they are still gonna hate us. What does that say about the world if it's stongest nation lets a small group of radical thugs dictate its future? It's not a world I want to be in.
The reason why the pentagon and the CIA think it's a bad idea is because now Saddam is contained and poses no threat to us. Al Quaeda (who hate Hussein's gov't) has no access to Hussein's WMD. The chaos of war may lead to terrorists gaining access through "allies'" such as elements among the Saudi's, Kuwaitis, et al.

It's not being wusses, it's being smart.

Like I said, everyone who's not in the military can be cavalier about the threats to our soldiers and the country. I still haven't heard anyone in the military (the EXPERTS) being for the war . . .
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Gee kscoyote... you sure are good at finding speeches that aren't yours and quoting them here...

Do you ever look at the facts and do the thinking for yourself???

I'm not trying to piss you off here... just trying to make you think!
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Monkey Boy.....u dah man!

The only thing is Sadam has been hiding stuff for much longer than 3-4 months.

Experts estimated that the Gulf War would last longer the time before and it did not.
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Not in urban warfare



Nope! It was gov't spending during and after WWII. Same as what's kept us afloat for the past couple of years . . . That and we had the only manufacturing capability left . . . The U.S. supplied the world.




In case you weren't paying attention. The inspections were working until Iraq "proved" we were spying. World (specifically Arab) opinion then turned against us.



The reason why the pentagon and the CIA think it's a bad idea is because now Saddam is contained and poses no threat to us. Al Quaeda (who hate Hussein's gov't) has no access to Hussein's WMD. The chaos of war may lead to terrorists gaining access through "allies'" such as elements among the Saudi's, Kuwaitis, et al.


This has put you at the top of the BS meter, you should be proud.

It's not being wusses, it's being smart.

Like I said, everyone who's not in the military can be cavalier about the threats to our soldiers and the country. I still haven't heard anyone in the military (the EXPERTS) being for the war . . .


This has put at the top of the hill of BS, you should be proud.
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KS, there won't be any urban warfare. We are not fighting the Iraqi people, just Sadaam. We are gonna bomb his palaces, his manufacturing facilities, and the few tanks he has left. I know how dangerous urban warfare, that is exactly why we won't get involved in any. We have a technology advantage and we are going to put ourselves in a position to use that advantage. Some of your arguments and facts are valid and interesting, but you don't tell us where you got them from.

Saddam is not contained and he is a threat. The inspectors have found evidence of that.
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seeing as this is a way to remove saddam and his regime, not simply to remove him from kuwait as it was last time, there is speculation that his military *will* retreat into the cities, leading to urban warfare.
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Gee kscoyote... you sure are good at finding speeches that aren't yours and quoting them here...

Do you ever look at the facts and do the thinking for yourself???

I'm not trying to piss you off here... just trying to make you think!
Gee! Perhaps it's good to do a little research to inform one's decision?

I'll give you another scenario.

The military retreats into the city for Urban fighting (like what happened in Somalia).

Al quaeda has already been working to incite muslims in the area to overthrow both Hussein's gov't and to fight the U.S.

The sheer number of children who have died due to sanctions and infrastructural damage has sufficiently p.o.'ed the population in Iraq so that they're receptive to the argument.

The population in the countries surrounding Iraq are already receptive to Al Quaeda.

After the US invades Iraq, Iran invades from to protect Shi'ia Muslims in the North. Turkey has to protect it's borders from the Kurds leading to another invasion from the North. Sunni muslims infiltrate Iraq from the South, currently held by various tribes allied with Hussein.

The location of WMD is known only to Hussein's Gov't at this point, but to protect their lives and escape, the locations are given to the Sunnis in the south.

Bingo, Alquaeda has the WMD, and the ability to use them on US troops in the area.
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Or another.

The military retreats into the city, many civilians are killed.

Bush makes good on his promise to use Iraq's oil to pay for the war. France, Germany, Russia, and China decide to sanction the US, as does Venezuela.

The populations of the Arab countries protest, leading to trade sanctions and a boycott of U.S. goods (already taking place, by the way). Saudi Arabia falls to a reactionary conservative regeime, as does Jordan. Pressure on Israel increases forcing the US to send more troops to the region.

U.S. manufacturing cannot currently supply our own needs forcing us to rely mainly on Mexico and Japan for our manufacturing needs.

The European Union decides it needs to develop its own military might (currently in the works, by the way), and rely less on the US for defense. US manufacturing (of which the military remains strong) takes a huge hit.

The new EU strikes a deal for gas and oil from the new Middle East.

The US still holds Iraq but is vulnerable to attack from surrounding regiemes.
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Here's a scenario for you:

Iraq claims they have no WMD.

The kick UN inspectors out anyway...

While the inspectors are gone, they have ample time to hide everything.

The inspectors return, this time wanting more liberties in how they inspect.

Iraq systematically denies each request for a few days/weeks then agrees... also giving themselves time to hide things again.

Good ol' Hans Blix can report Iraq is cooperating...

Saddam Hussein and his government laugh and snicker behind their backs...

The inspectors don't find anything and pull out.

Less than a year later, Tel Aviv, Kuwait City, Tehran, Istanbul, Washington DC, Los Angeles, New York, London... (pick one) is hit by an Iraqi nuclear, chemical, or biological weapon... Liberals such as yourself blame the president and the CIA...

It doesn't matter what George W. Bush says/does, he's dammed either way in the eyes of liberals such as yourself, that's why he doesn't let it bother him. He's not worried about getting re-elected right now, he's worried about doing the right thing.
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The Iraqis have no such capability, NORTH KOREA does!!!

Knee-jerk chickenhawks don't even listen to the military and the CIA much less all the evidence to the contrary.

Conservatives, the military, moderates and liberals are against this war.

First, fight Alqaeda! Simultaneously work on North Korea. Contain Iraq.
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