Ok, I am tired of a lot of people (import type of guys) comparing, (their own opinion I know) yes, and I respect that but I have a little input for you import type of guys that tend to always come over to the Stang forums and down Mustangs (nothing wrong with that because the most of us don’t care and are a little if not lots more mature and tend to just laugh at of you) . Like I said, you have your own opinion and I have mine. So after this post if you see some Jack *** on your import forum and you think he is such a **** for comparing his 03 SC’ed Cobra to our little Integra’s, then you will understand why. “Big Al pauses, scratches his head” then again, maybe lots probably will never understand. Anyways, here is my input on YOU as the import guy, whoever you might be.
First of all, let us point something out. You (as an Import type of guy) state somewhere out there that less a 03 Supercharged Cobra nothing can hang with your car or something of the near stated, then you go on to say it is turbo’ed even built motor, and finally you have a 6 foot wing on the rear to help you when you finally get to 100 (Max speed) after 25 seconds. Well, it being turbo’ed places your (even if it is a little 4cy) car in a different technical class just like your (so called found all over the web) imports that are doing 12’s in the 1/4 that you always bring to our (Mustang guys) attention. I love how you begin to compare a turbo'ed car with a NA car. Hello, oh wait, what happens when you charge or turbo a Mustang or any other car at that. Let's do the math, (speaking only for Ford) 1984-86 Turbo'ed SVO Mustang, ring a bell?? Oh well, guess some may be to young, but your comparison of non-equal cars goes on and on and now the point is still rubbed in, even over and over on our NA Stangs. But wait, knowing we have a V8 in Ford now that is finally stock with a charger (speaking for cars only, 03 Cobra) you push it out of the picture, why though? We are now running boost like yourself and your so call upmost respect for your own turbo'ed import all of a sudden slides out the window. Well, it's (03 Cobra) running boost, so why not compare that one to your so called specs of a (SOMEONE ELSES) car??? Like you all always do.
If you import type of guys do your homework you will see just how quick our cars are if you go with a turbo or charger on them. Then you could compare it with a power adder that is, boost to boost. Speaking of the 03 Cobra, now what level are we on?? Few 03 Cobras are running in the 10's. Even on one of the Camaro sites, they are kicking butt with a 03 Cobra… almost in the 9’s. By the way, I must point out, I still like you import type of guys, you tend to bring long time rivals like Camaro and Mustang owners together and create a formal friendship between ((EVEN US)) for conversations kicking off something like this:
Roy (Mustang owner) yes Bob (Camaro owner), You know what one of the import type of guys said to me the other day? Why no Bob, something about your piece of **** SS, No you Ford geek! He told me he would out run my Camaro with his Turbo’ed Integra, said something about pushing 240 HP. Well Bob (Roy shrugs shoulders), what are you going to do it about it? “Bob stops and scratches his head” I don’t know Roy, do you think my 700HP LS6 (engine swap) 2000 SS might be able to take him? “Roy laughs” with you driving?? “ Bob replies” yeah cause I know you aren’t referring to yourself (Bob points at Roy) I have seen how you drive your piece of **** Stang. “Bob and Roy then walk their separate ways, both making a friendly number one gesture to each other.
See, it’s stories like this that you import type of guys create to fulfill enjoyment even among us American Muscle rivals
We really do enjoy this, keep up the work.
Back to the subject:
You pick your car and I'll pick mine, but cut the **** with comparing NA cars with Turbo'ed cars. LIKE I SAID, we pick our cars and you pick yours. Take ours, even the good ole Fox body and/or SN95's model Stangs and lots are passing at 12's some 11's and few 10's when they have power adders like a charger or turbo. I don't care if your import type of guys are getting 300 horses to your little 4 cy (as you always point out). Not like it will last long with the boost levels you try to run. I don't understand, grab an import put all this money into it, rebuild and do some major boost to find themselves rebuilding after another 20-30K miles because they pushed it a little too far on levels of boost they couldn’t possible pass with out breaking something internal, just to try and keep up with us Mustang guys! How much money is that over a 5-10 year span. Let me help, a very nice car for OWN if you ask me. I will not point out my pick because you have your preference and I will not try and make a point about another car to you like most of you all try and do. Yes, it's a time tick from a time bomb in most cases when you start pushing your boost on stock models but, installed power adder on our Mustangs and all your imports except a very select few 6 cy's will not have a chance of getting, even a draft, from one of our cars. That is why I brought up the 1984-86 Turbo'ed Mustangs way back when. Even the non-intercooler factory turbo'ed Stangs during that time from the factory with a few mods would spank most lots of cars today, especially the import 4 cy's. I am now comparing 4cy to 4cy. Is this wrong? It's turbo to turbo as well If you are going to compare, then compare Charged-Charged and/or Turbo-Turbo cars. And if you are going to ***** about having less cylinders, then buy something else, if not, then keep buying those 4 cylinders and losing, other wise, that is the car you chose so quit giving excuses on top of excuses for being slower even with a power adder.
Let me try and explain how stupid some of you all look when you come over to our forums and start your stuff.
Example:
BIG AL goes over to the local Integra and Honda Forums and starts giving everyone **** because they can’t hang with his 03 Cobra w/Kenny Belle SC pushing around 600HP – 600TQ. Furthermore, start giving you more **** that Engine Ltr per HP and you can’t/don’t stand a chance to even qualify saying… “If I (as an import guy) had a V8 in my car, you would be hurting. “Big Al starts to shake his head” Nope, it doesn’t quite work like this. Furthermore, I will keep rubbing it and even sending you a link something like this. My Buddies Car
Continued by saying, I know a guy that knows a guy that his girlfriend knows a lady in California that knows a guy working for Steve and Steve knows and works with a guy named Tim and Tim has one of these cars, take a look at it. Continued by telling you (the import type of guy) check it out for yourself and I bet you couldn’t hang with this one. Furthermore, saying this guy that knows a guy that his girlfriend knows a lady out in California that knows a guy working with Steve said he has seen Tim’s 1000 HP Stang that I seen a while back and I know you import guys can’t touch this continued by my last question right before I get kicked out of your import forum. WHAT’S UP?
You guys kill me sometimes…
That brings me to my conclusion and phrase for the day.
I am glad their are Human Superior Intellects in this world, if not, we would all be hurting.
I would like to apologize for the long post to the Mustang crowd but I had to get it off my mind.
uhhhhhhhh...Al, you feelin alright dude? Sounds like some ricer talked some mad smack last night or something.
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i have both and import and a ford and i can say that if you build your honda you will beat a domestic, and if you build a domestic you will beat EVERYTHING... my friends with their hondas are proud if they can beat a v6 mustang or for the faster of them when they can beat a stock gt or ss... well what is going to happen to my friends when the domestics build their cars? bottom line is if you want a straight line car for the 1/4 you need a large displament... you need that gas guzzling torque band that comes in a v8 and its alot harder to get that type of power out of a car with such small engine... i dont hate on many cars... i only hate on poorly build civics etc
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66' Ford Mustang 289 restored 4 speed top loader. intake man. carb. cam. 9' pozi. disc brakes. new susp.
"Dude, I just got new intake and exhaust and a racing chip! Now I can beat that Chevelle 454 now!!"
Only a handful of "import guys" now how to hot rod that 4 banger without a turbo and still go fast. The only thing those cars have race wise is the weight advantage.
And it movies like 2 Fast 2 Furious and The Fast And The Furious that make these guys think if they get that stuff, they can beat a blown Charger. Atleast that Hemi Challenger set some importers back down to earth.
Dude what brought this on lol. I hardly ever see any ricers or import drivers on this forum. And the ones that do show up and talk trash seem to leave just as quickly as they appeared
Well as a former Cobra owner I can tell you I never lost a race to any import including but not limited to Civics, Accords, Preludes, Celicas, Integras, 3000GTs, Eclipses, etc. etc. in fact I can't remember a single import that was even a challenge. I wouldn't even worry about it or lose any sleep over what a ricer or import driver says it's basically meaningless. I would say the majority of them have absolutely no clue what a Mustang or Camaro is really capable of, all they think about is VTEC and Turbo it's lame.
Now as a current import driver I can tell you up front I have no plans to turn my car into a ricer lol. No wings no fart cans no stickers no crap, the car looks good the way it is. It's not as fast as my Cobra, but it's pretty fast from take off but loses power on the top end where my Cobra still had massive power. The most I think I will do to my 350z is get the windows tinted, and maybe a new system.
Not all import drivers are bad people though, keep that in mind
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"You Can Put A Rocket On A Dump Truck & It Will Be Really Really Fast, But It Will Still Be A Dump Truck."
Apples to apples never really works in the world of automotives. Simply put, Vehicle A will always have an advantage over vehicle B, and B will have some advantage over A.
Turbo vs N/A? You're also talking 4 cyl vs 8. If what you say is true, we should all run around on 450+ ci motors. Different strokes, for different folks.
It all boils down to 2 things -
There is ALWAYS someone faster out there - and -
Run what ya brung.... and hope ya brung enough!
ive noticed this in general... imports pride on vtec..well vtec isnt that great because you want your power band to kick in right away in a drag race... they NEVER bring up torque for some reason... and they dont seem to know anything about american cars... most domestic car owners tend to know that a civic is 1.6 and an integra is 1.8...they at least know engine sizes... but a ricers only want to know if you have a V8 and most of them dont realize that there are different size v8's... one of my friends thought a guy was lying because he said he had a 7 liter v8 ... he thought all v8's were 5.0 liter engines... also if you ever argue with them they always say ... your v8 only pushes 220hp stock.. if i had a twice the cylinders from my si i would push 320hp... so your car isnt as efficent as mine and i get better gas millage.... well dreams are great... go make your inline 8 from honda and ill spend the same money on my stang and we will race
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66' Ford Mustang 289 restored 4 speed top loader. intake man. carb. cam. 9' pozi. disc brakes. new susp.
Apples to apples never really works in the world of automotives. Simply put, Vehicle A will always have an advantage over vehicle B, and B will have some advantage over A.
Turbo vs N/A? You're also talking 4 cyl vs 8. If what you say is true, we should all run around on 450+ ci motors. Different strokes, for different folks.
It all boils down to 2 things -
There is ALWAYS someone faster out there - and -
Run what ya brung.... and hope ya brung enough!
You know, I am going to be nice but I am going to tell you like it is, I have seen a couple of other threads you have done posting in, don't bring it here. You are one of the ones I am talking about (YES YOUUUUUUU!!!!!). Did you not read what all I wrote, I compared a 4cy to a 4cy even turbo to turbo. 84-86 Turbo Mustang was stated. It's guys like you that make guys like me have the faster car like you boiled it down to. (Remember that!!!!!) I was compiling how one car might be charged and it's always funny how import guys throw up cylinders. I have a Lawnmower that will out run you signature car, How is that to get you warmed up? Comments like these and yours are what I am talking about. Am I rubbing it in your face? Am I bragging about it having a lot smaller CC engine than your car and can out run yours. No, this is what I am talking about though, even yet, bragging about my neighbors Go-cart that will run 14s in the 1/4 and it has a lawnmower engine in it as well. Do you see me shoving it in your face compared to your car? I was cool up to the point where you stated that I am comparing 4cy to a 8cy, I think you need to go back and read my post again!! I am not even going to start with you because like I said, I have seen you arguing in other post and bringing up cars that aren't yours, exactly what I am talking about in this post. Like I will reiterate, don't bring it here. I get tired of people like you and you especially with what you typed in some of the threads you have.
For the Import Type of Guys... 
WOW
