Global Warming??

**countymounty** · 06-02-2004

This statement comes from Michael Moore, who normally I wouldn’t believe much anything from the guy but I once remember reading someone here posting on how clean the autos now are and downplaying global warming. Just wondering if anybody had any reliable information on the subject.

The internal combustion engine has done more to create global warming than anything else on the planet. Almost half the pollutants in our air come from the stuff that spews out of your car - and that air pollution is the cause of some 200,00 deaths per year. Global warning is jacking up the world’s temperature, year after year, which can cause increase risk of drought in some countries and have dangerous effects on agriculture and health. We’re perilously close to creating a horrible calamity if we don’t figure out how to turn down the heat.

- Michael Moore

shartley · 06-02-2004

Global warming has happened many times throughout the history of our planet… as has ice ages. And none of it has ever been because of automobiles. Now this is not saying that cars don’t help contribute to the process, but with or without them the process has happened time and again.

Also, think about it…. remember when “global warming” was the topic of every news show and all the experts were predicting the doom of our planet if we didn’t do something and something fast? Where are they now? And what exactly was it that we did that made them all stop preaching about the doom and gloom? Nothing. Sure we have cleaner autos, but we have a heck of a lot MORE of them on the road. Think about it.

Moore is all about making money. And how does he make money? Creating controversy, twisting facts to suit his latest revelation, and preying on the ignorant, uninformed, and gullible. Nothing from the mouth of Moore should be trusted… period. People need to remember that the creative use and misrepresentations of “facts” doesn’t make “truth”.

JUSTNLX · 06-02-2004

I got to agree with shartley. Moore is the reason "fact is fiction and TV is reality" or movies in this case

People please do some reading on your own. Don't believe too much of what your told. I could be like someone else we all love and post a ship load of links and quotes, but I will not. Just one that I found on a quick search on the movie. And believe me or not, the movie is fiction

From San Francisco Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...DGUP6TQKR1.DTL

Do you know what one of the biggest green house gasses is? Water vapor! Bigger than anything we small, small humans create, but do you see it in any studies done by "Environmentalists"? I am a firm believe we are on one big natural roller coaster ride and when they say the rides over, it's over!

**countymounty** · 06-02-2004

Don’t confuse the idea of global warming with a unscientific movie, Moore wrote the comment in 2000 way before the movie and there are more people then just him saying this. (he is just the idiot I found the quote from)

And no one stopped the call of global warming, in fact I have heard several comments on prime time news stations (but how far can you trust them) that have mentioned global warming.

Even in the link JustinLX posted the author believed global warning is a big problem and stated

The movie's depiction of a (literally) chilling future might leave viewers paralyzed with despair rather than eager to fight the causes of global warming, such as carbon dioxide emissions from gas-guzzling cars.

Now ice ages are a common thing in earth’s history but is global warming also (not saying it hasn’t happened just never heard of it) we have evidence of ice ages but what evidence do we have of prior global warming?

There is evidence of global warming from the melting of glaciers and the death of coral reefs, the question how much of it is human involvement.

shartley · 06-02-2004

Keep in mind that things can kill you, like the sugar in your coffee.

Okay… how did that matter in conjunction with the conversation? Because it is common to list ONE thing out of MANY things that cause, or can cause, something to happen. Cars are an easy target since we all see them. We don’t “see” water vapor in the air (for the most part) or all the other things that cause global warming.

And for every ice age, there has been a period of global warming. The fact that we exited out of the ice ages proves that well enough. As for higher levels of global warming….. I believe there has been proof of this in other ways but it escapes me what it was.

Yes, global warming IS happening. But you hit the nail on the head… how much is directly because of human involvement. And another question is, would it be reduced if we stopped all things that add to the effect? Almost everything on earth adds to the process, and much of it is far worse than what humans are doing.

Humans like to think we control EVERYTHING, well sad to say we don’t, and can’t. It does some people good to think that there is something we as a species can do to prevent a natural cycle from happening. It gives them power (if only in their minds). And there was a study conducted that showed that if all the cars were pulled from the road it would do virtually nothing to the global warming situation.

If folks want to get better gas mileage and cleaner cars fine…. but do it because it helps our wallet, stretches natural resources, and helps reduce the amount of crap we put in the air (for BREATING)…. Not because it will reduce global warming. Do things for the right reasons, not the wrong ones... And everything will benefit.

But heck.... that is just how I see it.

Monkey Boy · 06-06-2004

I've done some research on this subject for my speech class a few semesters ago and there is no global warming. Up to 90% of the ozone layer is water vapor while only 1-2% is CO2. Of that 2%, car exhaust makes up only a fraction of the worlds total CO2 output. Most CO2 comes from factories and the breathing of the trillions of living things on this planet. According to satellite readings, which are far more accurate than ground readings, the earths avg temp has dropped in the past 18 years, not risen. Even if there was global warming caused by CO2, automobiles aren't the culprits. Hippies like Moore need to sit down and shut up or be shot on site.

Saleen Owner · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Monkey Boy

Up to 90% of the ozone layer is water vapor while only 1-2% is CO2. Of that 2%, car exhaust makes up only a fraction of the worlds total CO2 output. Most CO2 comes from factories and the breathing of the trillions of living things on this planet.

You may think it sounds nuts, but the rising CO2 levels are caused by trees. And it is our falt. Through aggressize fire control and planting by industries such and paper and lumber, There are more trees in the U.S. than when man first showed up here.

shartley · 06-07-2004

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Originally Posted by Saleen Owner

You may think it sounds nuts, but the rising CO2 levels are caused by trees. And it is our falt. Through aggressize fire control and planting by industries such and paper and lumber, There are more trees in the U.S. than when man first showed up here.

I would like to see some credible documentation for that if I may. With the expansion of towns, cities, and the massive amount of land claimed for farming since we came to the US, I doubt that we have MORE trees now than there were before man first showed up…. Not to mention, does that mean MAN, or “white man”?

And that does not take into account the amount of rain forest that has been cut down around the world. The world’s deserts have also expanded greatly over the last 10,000 plus years. The reduction in forested areas around the world is a well known problem.

I truly don’t mean to argue with you, I would just like to know if you can provide any documented proof for what you posted…. Since it goes against everything I have ever seen. We may be doing BETTER with reclaiming forested land, but I doubt we have more trees (adult growth) than we had even 200-300 years ago.

**countymounty** · 06-08-2004

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Originally Posted by Monkey Boy

I've done some research on this subject for my speech class a few semesters ago and there is no global warming. Up to 90% of the ozone layer is water vapor while only 1-2% is CO2. Of that 2%, car exhaust makes up only a fraction of the worlds total CO2 output. Most CO2 comes from factories and the breathing of the trillions of living things on this planet. According to satellite readings, which are far more accurate than ground readings, the earths avg temp has dropped in the past 18 years, not risen. Even if there was global warming caused by CO2, automobiles aren't the culprits. Hippies like Moore need to sit down and shut up or be shot on site.

Do you have any links to support this…………I have never directly studied global warming but being a scuba diver have read in numerous sources that that global warming is a factor in the dieing of coral reefs.

Monkey Boy · 06-09-2004

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Originally Posted by countymounty

Do you have any links to support this…………I have never directly studied global warming but being a scuba diver have read in numerous sources that that global warming is a factor in the dieing of coral reefs.

Most of my info came from an article in C&D by Patrick Bedard. I can't remember which month of the top of my head, though. The rest came from various sources off the internet.

95SVTCobraVA · 06-10-2004

Im no scientist by no means BUT!

1. The Earth has been warming for over 10,000 years.

2. Volcanos spew an enormous amount of very toxic pollutants into the atmosphere.

3. deadfall (leaves, limbs) and dead animals produce lots of Methane Gas.

last but not least

4. Scientist only have Real Good Data for the past 20 years. Good Data for 20 to 50 years ago. Fair Data 50 to 100 years ago. Poor Data over 100 years ago. Basically they have not been researching it long enough to know what is really going on.

PS. Human pollution doesn't help anything but it didn't cause Global Warming. Nature caused it. All we can do is live with it and try not to pollute as much as we have in the past.

RobAyers · 06-10-2004

btw, that "Day after Tomorrow" wasnt to bad of a movie. Special Effects were pretty good.

**countymounty** · 06-10-2004

I’m not trying to sound like I know everything (like someone does) and I haven’t even made up my mind, but Patrick Bedard is the editor of Car & Driver magazine and would hardly qualify as a "impartial expert”. I did look up and read the article and he talks as if carbon dioxide is a wonder gas that is great for the environment.
He also talks as if cars produce pure clean emissions (then why is my tail pipe all black?) taking Patrick Bedard’s word on global warming is like taking the Coyote’s word on Republicans!

When you breath in oxygen through your lungs. As the blood circulates through the body, the cells are fed oxygen. The cells then give off the waste product of carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide will kill you , just try to roll down the garage door and leave the engine running. The air in the atmosphere is around 20% oxygen and roughly 79% nitrogen, less then 1% is all the other gases combined. Being that small percentage it wouldn’t take much to throw the percentages out of whack (not sure what it would do).

Saleen Owner · 06-10-2004

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Carbon dioxide will kill you , just try to roll down the garage door and leave the engine running.

I think your thinking of CO, as opposed to CO2.

And if you want to read some good theroy on this subject, get one of Dr. Dixie Lee Rays books and read them. Amazon should have all her books. http://www.las.iastate.edu/kiosk/2163.shtml