Check this out. Even though the article doesn't mention that they were racing, this piece of road is a favorite of street racers. Keep racing confined to the track, guys (and girls). Street racing puts everyone at risk. I'm just glad that there weren't any bicyclists or pedestrians on the path.
when are people ever going to learn to stop F*&^ing around on the road!!
i'm 19, and i don't drive like that. that is until i scared the living **** out f myself. hehe.
8 people hurt in 2 crashes linked to cell phone use.
Here we go again, taking something COMPLETELY out of context and twisting it satisfy their personal conviction.
You are right, the article made no mention of street racing! In fact, it made no mention of cellular phone usage either; But, I have seen more accidents and near-misses due to people making driving secondary to shaving, reading, eating, and TALKING ON THE DAMN PHONE, then I have ever seen in many years of weekend street racing. Why don't you put that in your post?
Granted, these days everyone with an import ("In the first, a small red Honda traveling southbound left the roadway") that has seen Fast & Furious thinks they are a race car driver, tends to upset me, not because they speed, but because they speed while talking on the phone and eating Jack in the Box.
"Neighbors said the big S-curve is a favorite with youthful drivers who take the curves at high speeds."
Racing on "S" curves is only for the movies, real race cars don't turn!
Get off the soap box!
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Play safe, Play smart and stay out of the hospital. And Share the road! The worst thing you could possibly do is kill somebody crossing the road. I find it strange that just about any kid thinks their car is faster or quicker. What is there to prove anyway? Sure our cars are fast, quick and fun to drive, but that does not mean that we are begging for a race at every traffic light. Just last Friday, I was stopped at a light a few blocks from home in the right lane, along comes some kid in a VW Jetta, gunning his engine to see if he got my attention. What was stupid of me was I throttled a bit to note that there would be no contest. When the light turned green the kid took of with an uncontrolled burnout, was I to be impressed?
He probably thought his car was king as I took off slowly to avoid from getting hit by the inexperienced driver. Hey stupid I leave the top end for the highway when the typical speeds are 80mph + and I usually do not open it up unless there is no traffic directly in front or along side me. I guess that age makes a difference (not ) but intelligence does Stupid is as stupid does and that is something I am not. Foolish perhaps but not stupid. Why is my car so intimidating? Perhaps my ego is not as inflated as other. There are alot of whakos in this world who drive all makes of vehicles. Those are the one's to avoid. There was only one time I am dissapointed, I was being chased by another SVT in the same color as mine, I noticed this driver was really trying to make a point, why I am dissapointed, I should have pulled off the road to talk to that cute brunette driving it. Oh well, maybe some other time.
Here we go again, taking something COMPLETELY out of context and twisting it satisfy their personal conviction.
You are right, the article made no mention of street racing! In fact, it made no mention of cellular phone usage either; But, I have seen more accidents and near-misses due to people making driving secondary to shaving, reading, eating, and TALKING ON THE DAMN PHONE, then I have ever seen in many years of weekend street racing. Why don't you put that in your post?
Granted, these days everyone with an import ("In the first, a small red Honda traveling southbound left the roadway") that has seen Fast & Furious thinks they are a race car driver, tends to upset me, not because they speed, but because they speed while talking on the phone and eating Jack in the Box.
"Neighbors said the big S-curve is a favorite with youthful drivers who take the curves at high speeds."
Racing on "S" curves is only for the movies, real race cars don't turn!
Get off the soap box! :sterb:
The Grand Rapids Press did a story on this and quoted witnesses as saying that they were racing. I only posted the above link because the GR Press article is not available online. So, first of all, I'm not taking anything out of context. It's in print that they were racing. I can send you the article if you want it. Secondly, I'm not the one who's using bad language (and bad grammar) in a public forum shouting about my personal convictions. If you support street racing, fine. Whatever. I didn't mention all that other stuff (shaving, drinking, eating, etc.) because it's irrevelant to the story and it didn't occur to me as being necessary. You're the one on the soapbox, not me. Lighten up.
I agree, nothing was taken out of context. If someone wants to write an article about how dangerous driving and using cell phones are, DO IT. If someone wants to write an article about how dangerous driving while shaving is, DO IT. But just because other things are dangerous to do while driving does not mean we should not report RACING on streets/public roads as being dangerous or the damage they can do (and DO).
While I can attest to many different things being dangerous while driving, street racing IS driving, and driving with the intent to be fast. This in itself if inherently dangerous… and this type of driving is the INTENT of the driver. And what makes it even worse is most of the folks I see doing it are young and in spite of their false sense of “skills” and experience, they are unskilled drivers with little standard road experience, let alone true racing experience. It takes YEARS to develop the skills that experienced drivers do automatically, let alone the skills needed to race safely (although I will add that there is NO safe way to race on public roads open to the public and other non-racing drivers).
I can also not tell you how many import drivers I have seen since spring hit that have invaded the road systems weaving in and out of traffic, going at least twice the legal speed limits on city streets/roads, etc.
And sorry… real race cars DO turn. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the skills needed to race a rally race far outdo those needed to race a ¼ mile. I am NOT saying it does not take skill to race a good ¼ mile, but for road racing you have to do MUCH more than is required for a straight line race…. And over and over and over and over again. But guess what? I will not argue that FACT.
Yes, our roads are dangerous. And they are getting worse all the time. It is about time we hold ALL drivers accountable for their actions behind the wheel, and remember that driving is not a RIGHT, it is a privilege.
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Here is the article that was posted, there is no mention of street racing. Based on this poarticular article, it was taken out of context. I apologize if you have another article to back up your cause.
8 people hurt in 2 crashes
By JOHN CHARLES ROBBINS
Staff writer
A teenager was critically injured and seven other people were hurt in two related traffic crashes Saturday in Park Township.
The tranquility of an otherwise beautiful spring afternoon was interrupted by the crashes, and police are blaming excessive speed.
The incidents occurred just after 4 p.m. on a curvy portion of Lakeshore Drive, just south of Quincy Street and the entrance to Camp Geneva.
Neighbors said the big S-curve is a favorite with youthful drivers who take the curves at high speeds.
ROLLOVER: An Ottawa County deputy inspects one of three vehicles involved in a accident along Lake Shore Drive near Quincy Street in Park Township on Saturday.
Sentinel/J.R. Valderas
The tree-lined scenic road was marred by twisted metal and broken glass.
Firefighters, paramedics and police officers worked with a Jaws of Life extraction machine to cut off the roof of a small black car resting on top of the bike path along the east side of Lakeshore Drive.
"We had bodies all over the place," said Lt. Steve Kempker of the Ottawa County Sheriff's Department.
The sheriff's department continues to investigate the crashes, which it is treating as two separate incidents.
In the first, a small red Honda traveling southbound left the roadway, knocked over a large rack of nearly 30 mailboxes, flipped and came to rest upside-down on a lawn. The two teenagers were taken to Holland Community Hospital and were in stable condition.
In the second, a black car with two people inside southbound on Lakeshore Drive collided nearly head-on with a northbound Ford Windstar van.
The four occupants of the van were taken to the Holland hospital and were in stable condition.
The sheriff's department was assisted at the scene by West Michigan Air Care, with a helicopter out of Kalamazoo.
The helicopter landed at Camp Geneva and was used to transport the passenger from the black car to Spectrum Health in Grand Rapids.
Officers believe excessive speed was a factor on the part of both cars.
Kempker also said the occupants in the two cars knew each other.
The wrecks occurred on a stretch of Lakeshore Drive where the speed limit is 55 mph.
On the sharp curves, warning arrow signs are posted along with the recommended speed limit of 35 mph.
This type of crash is seen with younger and more inexperienced drivers who enter curves driving too fast and lose control of their vehicles, said Kempker.
"Physics takes over," he said.
I do not condone street racing, but I have very strong convictions against people who do other things when they should be driving. I almost lost my Mustang to a woman eating a burger and talking on her phone; and almost lost a co-worker Saturday who got rear-ended by somebody sleeping.
I travel 65 miles of interstate at least 6 days a week, and see this happen every day, but I never see any mention of it...
WHY ISN'T THERE AS MUCH ATTENTION GIVEN TO THESE DAILY, HAZARDOUS DRIVERS?
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[quote=One_Quik_Pony] Here is the article that was posted, there is no mention of street racing. Based on this poarticular article, it was taken out of context. I apologize if you have another article to back up your cause.
Actually it appears as if you are the one on the soap box, defending street racing. You say you do not condone street racing, but…………………
[quote=One_Quik_Pony] But, I have seen more accidents and near-misses due to …………………then I have ever seen in many years of weekend street racing. Why don't you put that in your post?
In my many years of being a cop I have never worked an accident that was caused by someone talking on a cell phone, not to say it doesn’t happen (or that it is not a problem) just saying that I have yet worked one (caused by cell phones) while I have taken many, many, many , many, many accident (some fatalities) cased by excessive speed.
And apparently you don’t care if they speed.......................
[quote=One_Quik_Pony] Granted, these days everyone with an import …………………………..thinks they are a race car driver, tends to upset me, not because they speed, …………………………..
Check into it, any reputable source will state that speed is (most list as #1) major factor for car crashes and fatalities accidents (I once responded to a post about speed and stopping distance but cant seem to locate it now)
[quote=One_Quik_Pony] Here we go again, taking something COMPLETELY out of context and twisting it satisfy their personal conviction.
Maybe you need to reread the article one again, they may not come right out and say it, but it is easy to read between the lines when you are not already bias because of your own soap box……let my highlight the article for you.
A teenager was critically injured and seven other people were hurt in two related traffic crashes
and police are blaming excessive speed.
Neighbors said the big S-curve is a favorite with youthful drivers who take the curves at high speeds.
a small red Honda
knocked over a large rack of nearly 30 mailboxes, flipped and came to rest upside-down on a lawn.
a black car collided nearly head-on
Officers believe excessive speed was a factor on the part of both cars.
Kempker also said the occupants in the two cars knew each other.
On the sharp curves, warning arrow signs are posted along with the recommended speed limit of 35 mph.
Now lets connect the underlined words
The drivers of the two vehicles (who knew each other) were both traveling southbound on a curve which the speed limit was 35mph (can anyone tell me of a 4 lane highway which has 35mph curves on it………..must be a 2 lane road we are talking about here) one vehicle goes off the road (hitting mail boxes) the other one hit’s a vehicle nearly head on (must have been passing (in the northbound lane) or traveling so fast they were using both lanes to make the turn. And this all happens at roughly the same time and same place.
Nope that doesn’t sound like racing or hotroding to me either.
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
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-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
I-78 (rt 22) between Wilson and Easton, 4-lane highway with very long sharp "S" curve, posted speed limit 35MPH then drops to 25MPH a mile after the curve heading into NJ at the toll bridge. When I was younger (20 years ago) my friends and I had that stupid thought that we could take the turns at any speed. I don't think I ever exceeded 65 MPH through the turns without having to use both lanes. What makes the turns worse it that they are biased against you and have a slight slope to the right lane (in both directions) which would probably explain why so many trucks have accidents there. Ironically the first curve has a nick name called cemetary curve (due to the fact it cuts around a cemetary. The posted speed limit used to be 45MPH which only resulted in daily to weekly accidents in the summer. I know such a road does exist, I can believe that there are others too.
Actually it appears as if you are the one on the soap box, defending street racing. You say you do not condone street racing, but…………………
But what...?
[quote=One_Quik_Pony] But, I have seen more accidents and near-misses due to …………………then I have ever seen in many years of weekend street racing. Why don't you put that in your post?
In my many years of being a cop I have never worked an accident that was caused by someone talking on a cell phone, not to say it doesn’t happen (or that it is not a problem) just saying that I have yet worked one (caused by cell phones) while I have taken many, many, many , many, many accident (some fatalities) cased by excessive speed.
And apparently you don’t care if they speed.......................
Speeding is now considered "drag racing"? If that's the case, we need some "mounties" 'cause their goin at it four-wide, and about 4 million deep every afternoon up and down the interstate.
[quote=One_Quik_Pony] Granted, these days everyone with an import …………………………..thinks they are a race car driver, tends to upset me, not because they speed, …………………………..
Check into it, any reputable source will state that speed is (most list as #1) major factor for car crashes and fatalities accidents (I once responded to a post about speed and stopping distance but cant seem to locate it now)
Again, Speeding=drag racing?
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Originally Posted by One_Quik_Pony
Here we go again, taking something COMPLETELY out of context and twisting it satisfy their personal conviction.
Maybe you need to reread the article one again, they may not come right out and say it, but it is easy to read between the lines when you are not already bias because of your own soap box……let my highlight the article for you.
"but it is easy to read between the lines"...and take something out of context and twist it to satisfy YOUR personal conviction.
A teenager was critically injured and seven other people were hurt in two related traffic crashes
and police are blaming excessive speed.
Excessive speed = drag racing? Sounds to me like youth and lack of experience.
Neighbors said the big S-curve is a favorite with youthful drivers who take the curves at high speeds.
High speed = drag racing?
a small red Honda
knocked over a large rack of nearly 30 mailboxes, flipped and came to rest upside-down on a lawn.
Okay, okay, seems like every Honda I see anymore is a race car, and being red assures it.
a black car collided nearly head-on
Yes, Black car = race car
Officers believe excessive speed was a factor on the part of both cars.
"It probably was...exceeding the limitations of that Honda"
Kempker also said the occupants in the two cars knew each other.
Park Township, everybody knows everyone in Park Township, and your point is..?
On the sharp curves, warning arrow signs are posted along with the recommended speed limit of 35 mph.
Now lets connect the underlined words
The drivers of the two vehicles (who knew each other) were both traveling southbound on a curve which the speed limit was 35mph (can anyone tell me of a 4 lane highway which has 35mph curves on it………..
I can, I515 Arizona, between Nevada and Utah...I15 lower Monida Pass, Montana...More?
must be a 2 lane road we are talking about here) one vehicle goes off the road (hitting mail boxes) the other one hit’s a vehicle nearly head on (must have been passing (in the northbound lane) or traveling so fast they were using both lanes to make the turn. And this all happens at roughly the same time and same place.
Nope that doesn’t sound like racing or hotroding to me either.
That's YOUR opinion!
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this all started by a guy posting an example of why not to street race? why is everyone getting all pissed off? Its a good reason why not to street race. And its more relevant than the burgers, cell phone, sleeping causes because theres alot of people in these forums who like to street race and cant figure out why its wrong. All he said was "heres a reason not to street race" and people jump all over him. *****, the whole thing about "why doesnt anybody bring up other reasons for crashing?!?!?" blah blah blah. thats like murdering someone and then being like, "why is everyone getting mad at me? im not the only one thats ever killed someone" it just doesnt make sense. dont street race and lets leave it at that. If burger eaters are your biggest concern then make your own damn thread about that. but dont argue with someone by saying "ive seen worse from someone else". does that somehow make street racing ok?
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
I can, I515 Arizona, between Nevada and Utah...I15 lower Monida Pass, Montana...More?
No need it hurts your argument even further, Ok lets assume they were on a 4 lane highway with a 35mph………it looks worse now, with twice the available roadway to enter the curve with they were traveling so fast that both cars went off the roadway, including one which crossed the median which divides the highway and then struck a car near head on………..
Unless of cource you want to assume the driver of the Ford Windstar was eating a big mac, talking on their cell phone and fell asleep at the wheel and then crossed the median and hit the other car nearly head on…………………
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
interstate highways are divided, with either a concrete barrier or at least 10* feet of grass. i.e. head-on collision is somewhat more difficult.
*don't quote me on this number, but there is a minimum median width in the federal statute.
That has little to do with the argument, but I thought I'd point it out anyway. I actually was not aware that interstates dropped down to 35 - I know I-70 is 45 in places (Colorado, west of Denver comes to mind). Looks like I gotta go up to Montana on the 15! I haven't ever been further north on it than the I-84.
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Another street race that ended badly. 
) but intelligence does 
Stupid is as stupid does and that is something I am not. Foolish perhaps but not stupid. Why is my car so intimidating? Perhaps my ego is not as inflated as other. There are alot of whakos in this world who drive all makes of vehicles. Those are the one's to avoid. There was only one time I am dissapointed, I was being chased by another SVT in the same color as mine, I noticed this driver was really trying to make a point, why I am dissapointed, I should have pulled off the road to talk to that cute brunette driving it. Oh well, maybe some other time.
It happens to me all the time. I say something totally innocuous and out of nowhere - BAM! Upside the head. 
