[sxrpGT]

I saw on the news a few days ago that some kids were street racing and one kid lost control/took a turn too fast, niot real sure. but anyways he hit a brick sign pushing over 80 mph. The kid who was racing them stopped, turned around and called 911 and helped the passenger out. The driver was too bad of shape and later died in the hospital. The passenger lived only because the other racer called 911, if he had run both kids would have died. Now the surving racer is being charged with vehicular homicide., despite the fact that he saved one life and made a valiant attempt to save another. They also said that 3 days after the accident he would be standing trial(WTF) !!! We cant get serial killers to court that fast why is this kid so high risk?? I personally disagree with the way they handle street racing here in Georgia. It is screwed up . No body put a gun to the dead racers head and said you are gonna race or I will shoot you. He did it on his OWN accord. He made the decision to get in that car and race the other guy. He knew the cosequences when he turned that key. The surviving racer should not be charged with vehicular homicide, he didnt kill the other guy, the other racer did that himself, no one else. I do believe that the living racer should have his license revoked for 6months to a year and take defensive driving and be put on probabtion, but he shouldnt have to go to prison as a convicted felon at age 18 for an accident he had nothing to do with directly. Hell they should give the kid a break he saved a life and tried to save another. He knew the law and still diid not run, he knew what he had to do and he did it. So now he has to watch his whole life be yanked out from under him and there is nothing he can do or say about it. What really gets me is I had a good friend of mine killed in a car accident my sophmore year of high school. I had no idea he had been in an accident until the next morning and he had passed away during the night. No one could get a hold of me because my cell phone was off Because I was at work and they called my work place but my manager never gave me the message. The lady that T boned him was a foreign lady who couldnt speak any english, she was over hear illegally but she had a valid drivers license from the good old state of Georgia. She was doing 20 miiles an hour over the speed limit(75 in a 55) when she crested the hill at the time Grant was pulling out on to the road , he didnt have time to do anything, caught him right in the driver's side rear. The lady walked, didnt get charged with crap and she wasnt even deported, because she married an American before court and they didnt want to seperate the newly weds, to hard on them. A petition was passed around the entire county school system to get a stop light installed at that intersection, I was told five more fatalities had to happen there before it would even undergo review.!!! So now my friends dead she walks but this kid in the news gets prison for saving a life?????? I disagree with that. I would like to know if you agree with this law or not and why.

Drew

[Mana4Real]

That's the way our court system works. Do you have the article on it? I'd like to read it. I would also like to write more about this but time does not permit at the moment.

[sxrpGT]

Well another thing I thought about is if I race someone on a dragstrip and he goes into the wall killing himself I walk away without being charged, granted it is made for racing as a road isnt but still someoine was killed while racing. I will try to find the article Mana.

Drew

[tomcat101]

i am going to have to agree. this is some Bull crap. i hope it is not to late but is htere anything we can do to help?? like write letters or something?? this whole story is just unfair, people speed as a choice, and more and more i am getting afraid of driveing at high speeds anymore. the truith is i am getting more mature and wanting to go to the track more. why people race on windy roads is beyond me, but it was the choice of the poor kid to race, like it or not his life was in his OWN hands and happend to make a bad decision. also, sorry about your friend, i know it was a while ago for you but that story is trullly unfair. again i am sorry.

[countymounty]

No that’s not how it works

Probably wont like my answer but oh well.

First your information has to be flawed, no way in hell he is going to trial 3 days after the accident, he would not have time to find an attorney who could prepare the case, it would violate due process, no way this could happen in any state in the US. (Now he might have been arrested and arraigned on the charge in three days)

Second, so he stopped, so what. He might of don’t it out of the goodness of his heart, or maybe he was afraid an witness would rat him out, or he might not of believe anyone was hurt until it was too late.

So he saved someone life, well he participated in an activity that cost someone their life. He was big enough to do the crime now hopefully he will be a man an except the consequences that go with it. If I raped a girl do you think I should be let off because I used a condom and dropped her off at her house when I was done?

Now IF there were at a track then they would have had the proper safety equipment, there would not of been brick post near the lane and if there was an accident there would have been emergency medical personnel on scene that might have been able to render aid and save a live.


So screw him I hope he gets what he deserves! But he probably wont, find some links to the story and post them, there is more going on then what you have heard Now if you bother to follow the story you will probably see he is getting off way to easy.

Now for your friend. Sad story, as far as the intersection goes sounds like an accident. Now if she had stayed in her own dam country she wouldn’t of been here to be at that intersection. Sounds like you should petition to have your state start enforcing the immigration laws and deport these illegals while they still can.
Sure her speed caused the accident to be more severe and they make her liable but that is a difference then being criminally labile. And complaining about 20 over to people why brag about doing double or triple the speed limit is crazy. Not saying she is innocent, I have a opinion of what should happen to her but I’ll keep it to myself.

[OzPony]

Its a tough call. This kid did the right thing and went to save a life. Now he might end up in jail ! Just dosen't seem fair....

Yet another reason to take it to the track

[sxrpGT]

Okay county heres my rebuttle

1. what crime was comitted other than speeding and illegal street racing. He did not physically take the other guys life. He should not be held responsible for that. no one wanst to blame the person for their stupid actions they always want to point the blame towrds someone else. " oh my son doesnt race and knows better he must have been forced to race, he was made to race, it wasnt his choice" is what people say in this instant. Accept your consequences whether it be a bump or death live up to it. He took the chance to race and put his life on the line and now someone else has to pay. One family and life has already been devastated, why devastate another family and life on top of it!!!!!! He shgould get what I listed above. hell there have been cases of DUI's where there are fatalities and the people walk!!! WHY ??!!
2. As far as raping a girl goes iyou would be forcing her to do something against her will, she would have no say so whether you raped her with or without a condom. So that point is not relevant to the topic. Aside any guy who is so pathetic he has to rape a female so he can get pleasure should have his nuts cut off and thrown in prison and let him get raped so he can know the torture. I can telll you if anyone ever raped my sister they better hope the police catch them before I do ...
3. You said if they were at a trck they would have proper safety equipment. Not true if it was a grudge race, streetable, daily drivers going head to head , now he has a concrete wall he can slam into. Okay no brick sign , just another car and lots of concrete. If it is daily driver I highly doubt he has a roll bar and a strengthened. As far as the medical aid goes true yes but he could have still died.
4. As far as I am concerned that woman will die and I hope she dies the same way Grant did..... knowing that he was dying, having your spleen severed and bleeding internallyand being able to feel your life leaving you slowly. When the pastor of the church nearby asked if he could call Grant's parents he told him know I am dying and I dont want to upset my mother. I hope she goes slowly like he did so she can know the torure he felt!!!! Just my opinion . Whether she was doing the spped limit or 100 over I dont care she is responsible for vehicular homicide. He died as a result from the injuries he recived from her t boning him. She is still liable for taking a life, The punishment needs to be the same across the board not oh you were racing and caused and ACCIDENT you go rot in jail and the oh you were speeding and caused and ACCIDENT pay the fine and have a nice day.



Maybe it was his arrignment in 3 days either way its wrong he should have his life ended at the age of 18. He will more than likely get off if he pleads quilty to vehicular homicide but if he pleads not guilty he will probably get 2-8 for vehicular homicide. its a lose-lose situation.

Drew

[NoobAStang]

i feel sorry for the kid. I have NEVER raced on the street because i dont want to risk being put in that same situation. I have to disagree , county, with the relation to rape, because this is different. The other kid WANTED to race, he was not being forced, as in rape. know what i mean? The two cars never touched (as far is he has told, there might be more to the story) which to me translates into the man charged had NOTHING to do with the other guy crashing. he crashed because HE drove to fast and HE lost control and HE hit a wall. The driver died because of his own actions, noone forced him to race. The other person shouldnt be charged with that. Sometimes i hate the system, but i dont see it changing anytime soon.

[countymounty]

The point is street racing and rape or both crimes, just because you do something “kindhearted” doesn’t erase the crime that was committed.

If a few teenagers are sitting around and I drop a loaded gun in their lap and they decide to play Russian Roulette and one blows his head off you think it will work to say, no one forced him to do it, no one held a gun to his head but himself. Some day people have to take responsibility for there own actions. This is one of them.

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

1. what crime was comitted other than speeding and illegal street racing.

In your friends case what crime was committed other then speeding and (maybe) running a stop light/sign?
Not sure where you come from but here both of these violation carry a lighter punishment the street racing.

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

He should not be held responsible for that. no one wanst to blame the person for their stupid actions they always want to point the blame towrds someone else.

Why should the driver who killed your friend be held responsible? It’s the same thing! Both were reckless (street racing more so) but the difference is the lady killed your friend so you think she should pay, well the other guy participated in a knowing dangerous activity (just like your friend, hey the streets are filled with morons who have license) of street racing. No one forced your fried to drive that day both people were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

hell there have been cases of DUI's where there are fatalities and the people walk!!! WHY ??!!

They walk because some people think that “well everyone does it” or well because I do it I can’t hold someone else accountable for doing the same thing. Hey that sounds like the way some people here think of street racing!

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

One family and life has already been devastated, why devastate another family and life on top of it!!!!!!

Same thing can be said for your friend’s accident!

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

3. You said if they were at a trck they would have proper safety equipment. Not true if it was a grudge race, streetable, daily drivers going head to head , now he has a concrete wall he can slam into. Okay no brick sign , just another car and lots of concrete. If it is daily driver I highly doubt he has a roll bar and a strengthened. As far as the medical aid goes true yes but he could have still died.

You still have to have a helmet, seatbelt (I guess you could assume the teenage street racers would be safety concessions enough to were them…yea right!) and the tracks (most Ive seen) separated the cars a further distance, there is NO traffic and its ONE WAY and a retaining wall would not be the same as a head on collision.

Originally Posted by sxrpGT

The punishment needs to be the same across the board not oh you were racing and caused and ACCIDENT you go rot in jail and the oh you were speeding and caused and ACCIDENT pay the fine and have a nice day.

I agree there should be more accountability (I was recently t-boned and am getting totally screwed by insurance when I am 100% NOT at fault…the other driver ran a red) but riding 20 over is a little different then running 40, 60, or 80 over with another car besides you on an open road with other cars, kids, dear, and other road hazards in the way. Yes 20 is dangerous and could be reckless not nearly as bad as racing on a public road.

[STONECOLD]

i think the kid should be punished, but sending him to jail (im assuming it would be for several years) is a bit extreme. i agree that he should be responsible for HIS actions BUT the actions of the other driver are not his responsibility. i can see that county was trying to make a point but the rape example is a bad comparison. the fact of the matter is, now matter how you try to spin it, that the other driver CHOSE to race, no one forced him. im looking at it in a black and white way fashion, im not much for the in between greys. to me the only thing the surviving person is guilty of is street racing, fine punish him for that, but not for the death of any one since he didnt cause it. i think the problem is that people try to mix morality with legality. to get back to county's example, im pretty sure that if some one is being raped and you watch it being done and choose not to help, you woud be charged with a crime. even though you didnt actually participate in it. now the fact that you watched and didnt help is more of a moral character question than it is a crime, but youll still be charged. i feel sorry for all involved. and i do agree that the kid should be punished and be responsible for his actions, i just dont agree that he should be punished for some one elses stupidity.

[sxrpGT]

Well in todays society you would be blamed for giving the kids the gun even though they are too stupiid to realize hey a loaded gun DOES KILL!!!
As far as the lighter punishment goes it is all screwed up here a few months back a lady was drunk and killed 5 out of 6 kids on atvs she swerved across the road and hit them. I dont know what happened as far as her final charges for it but she would have been given the chance to plead guilty to vehicular homicide in the 2nd degree, a misdemeanor, after that no matter how much eveidence said it was first degree she
cant be charged with it. I think they should have charged her with 1st degree, she killed 5 kids and seriously injured the 6th child. What more do you need?? But hey no matter what if the kid was racing slap him with 1st degree vehicular homicide and call it a day.

Your right no one forced him to drive that day. he was headed to home to get some things before he had to be back at school on the court for a game that night. No one forced him too.just as no one forced that lady to speed or that other guy to race. My point is my friend did not know what was going to happen. Those kids racing they know there is a chance they can crash and die . I mean i can ride my bike down the street and ride in front of an oncoming car. Should they be held responsible for running me over? i knew i was gonna get hit by that car when I jumped in front of it, i didnt think to myself hey maybe I can be like casper the friendly ghost and it will go through me!! In a round about way it applies the same with the racing no body made that kid lose control he did all by himself and then he hit a sign. The surviving kid did not physically touch the other kid. Homicide as defined by websters dictionary-----the killing of one person by another. Meaning vehicular homicide would be the killing of one person by another WITH A CAR. In my friend's case he was hit by A CAR. The car is what killed him. There we have vehicular homicide.
Suicide as defined by websters----act of taking ones own life. The kid who died killed only himself. No one killed him but himself. So if we wanted to get really technical it would be a vehicular SUICIDE. But again that doesnt exist and no one wants to blame it on that kid alone so lets bring down someone else with him.
you said it your self too why should the driver who KILLED my friend be charged? She KILLED someone. The other driver withnessed someones death , he did not KILL them.

AS far as the track goes yes I know they are farther apart and there is no traffic. I never said anything about a head on collision either. I have seen people go from one side of the track to the other right into the wall. A wall is a wall whether its a retaining wall or a brick sign( which set in the ground and over 1 foot thick is like a wall) . Yeah you have helmets but those dont always garauntee that your gonna walk away from an accident. You also said they have seat belts, I have one in my car too but again not everybody's daily driver has a roll cage with a 5 point harness. A stock seatbelt isnt going to help much when you hit a non moving sign or wall at 80 miles an hour. Might break your back and that usaully isnt a good thing. Thats why after you hit a certain time bracket you have to upgrade your vehicles safety belts and frame rigidness and so forth.

[TraviZ]

lots of replies and not enough time to read it all, but i did read the first post. I believe the only punishment the kid should recieve is those anyone would recieve from being caught street racing which of coarse would be street racing and exebition of speed.

[sxrpGT]

I agree with you 100% traviz. thats all that should be done those are pretty harsh punishments here. I mean you can lose you license here for laying drag I think you are pretty much gonna lose it for street racing which falls under wreckless driving.

[sxrpGT]

Stonecold I agree that the kid should be charged for racing and excessive speeding and all that apply to the racing part. He should not be charged with murder. He didnt kill anyone. Hell i mean he is going to have a guilty conscience for the remainder of his life. We want to punish people not mentalyl break them into a depressed basket case. The survivor is not responsible for homicide in this case. Now if he had hit the kid and pushed the kid off the road into a sign thats different a vehiclle was used in a homicide.

[found50]

So all crimes are equal, is that what's being said? Rape is equal to street racing? I supposed a child molester is only as bad a check forger, or is it that a child molester is as bad a check forger? Yeah that makes sense
I guess that is reflected in the fact that a second time child molester can go to trial, be fouind guilty and recieve a 28 month sentance. A first time drug dealer can go to trial and recieve 72 months. Is that justice? No, but it's the LAW, and god for bid any one question that.

So it's understandable that a person driving at a reckless speed (20mph over posted) is just a little out of line for actaully killing an unwilling participant....SHE WALKS??? BUT a person who chooses to race, and looses control, BY THEIR OWN HAND, is not the cause of their own demise???

So if I fail to inform my Doctor I will have a sever reaction to a certain medication, I guess it's his fault for giving it, and if I die, he should have know I could handle it (I could drive)? I can't be my responibilty to say I can't handle it, it the docs to jsut know. Or maybe if I have a weak heart and die while having a romp, it's the woman's fault for being to hot???


This kid may be guilty of what he did, speeding, wreckless driving, street racing, but he didn't not cause the death of the other young man...I mean, this kid didn't bump him, this kid didn't wreck himself, so appartently it was DRIVER ERROR. Take his car, not his life. What about the passanger, he was jsut as guilty as the racers, RIGHT?? He was there, he may even has said catch him, so why isn't he charged??

County, I hate to say this, not because I care about you, I hate to say because justice is clearly not blind, you are quick to put your personal emotions into your action, and that is not part of your duty. You display a common attitude held by most law officers, the law is alway right and you are so commited to this that you deny clear fact and a little something that, at least to me, weighs in a bite heavier than the law, JUSTICE. Further more, you are clearly jaded, you doubt he turned around to actually help, he was trying to avoid a rat?? WTF??? That is so out of line and shows your own wickedness. What are you the only person with a soul?? Only cops care??? Just cuz this kids was racing, doesn't make him evil. Stupid, maybe, but not evil, or heartless.

Sometimes you have to give up your power, once you become cold and calis, you have a responiblilty to say, I am losing my faith in humanity, it's time for a change.