It's not good enough to get me out of mine, the only way I'm taking the trade-in hit is if I can get an IRS.
It's not environmental concerns that drove U.S. steel out of production.
China is BUYING steel. The U.S. used to PRODUCE steel. China is being fueled by WalMart and other companies moving production there.
What tariffs are you talking about? We (belatedly) began charging tariffs on IMPORTED steel, once it was proven other governments were illegally dumping steel at less than cost in the U.S. market. Other Governments are SUBSIDIZING steel.
Dude, you obviously know nothing about economics or trade. Europe and Japan are rebounding because the U.S. is shrinking with trade and budget deficits.
Dude, you are so out of touch with reality it is distrubing to say the least. You NEVER have a good thing to say about the US unless it is a socialistic intent and your so-called research is so biased it is laughable.
I live in an area that is heavily envolved in the steel industry. I get my info from those in the business on producing steel products and THEY are the movers and the shakers in the industry. Most are involved with the productioj of auto parts.
You have a proven record of ignorance of economics and are too damed biased to bother arguing with.You can spout the terms and provide many interesting biased links, but you need to get a grip on reality. YOU need to become actually involved in something besides research! The REAL world awaits!
It is from 12-12-04...All about colleti's retirement ..honoring his achievements and explaining what is going on with SVT's future...... FOR REAL.
It is from the Detroit news auto insider....
KS......This is up to date proof that SVT lives and will continue.
What you are offering is out of date speculation and early leaked misinformation.
Dude, you are so out of touch with reality it is distrubing to say the least. You NEVER have a good thing to say about the US unless it is a socialistic intent and your so-called research is so biased it is laughable.
I live in an area that is heavily envolved in the steel industry. I get my info from those in the business on producing steel products and THEY are the movers and the shakers in the industry. Most are involved with the productioj of auto parts.
You have a proven record of ignorance of economics and are too damed biased to bother arguing with.You can spout the terms and provide many interesting biased links, but you need to get a grip on reality. YOU need to become actually involved in something besides research! The REAL world awaits!
Yeah, except, I've always been right, and you've always been wrong with regards to economics, and just about everything else.
Glad to see ya swinging, Just like the good old days………………….
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
My brother told me somewhere in MT they say that the Next Cobra will have a Supercharged 5.4 Liter engine based on tha Ford GT engine....more speculation to feed this topic.
My brother told me somewhere in MT they say that the Next Cobra will have a Supercharged 5.4 Liter engine based on tha Ford GT engine....more speculation to feed this topic.
Yeah, I've got it, but that issue was written before Coletti's "retirement."
Coletti smooletti, you actually think one person leaving is going to end Ford proformance programs? Yeah right, thats what old Shelby thought when he left the first time. It's just not going to happen.
As far as this weak dollar non-sense goes, the reason for a big trade deficit is a strong dollar making U.S. products expensive overseas, and import products cheap in the U.S. So now the tables have turned and import products are expensive and domestic products are cheap, Europeans are storming our borders to buy cheap American products. So school me on why, exactly, this is going to bring the U.S. economy to its knees, and throw zillions of us out of work.
Oh, and wouldn't the weak dollar causing foreign steel to be sooooo expensive, make domestic steel more attractive to domestic manufactures once again?
One thing is for sure, most new American Ford models are BORING, except for the Mustang.
Agreed. AND, thanks to Ford, the Volvo and the Jaguar are boring too. They both look like a Taurus, but with Euro lights and interior upgrades. Nice going.
There he goes on another spew of half truths, bias and some flat misinformation as usual.
That was a bit harsh.
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Although the US economy is growing at a faster rate than is the European economy, finally Europe is in a spurt of growth BECAUSE it is finally facing the reality that the US type of capatolism does indeed work!
Subjective, at best.
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The largest impact on the steel industry is that China is buying all the scrap steel in the US creating a shortage here. That, and the tariffs on steel AND the fact that our environmental polices make upgrading current steel factories too expensive to be profitible combine with labor problems to make the industry in the US not competitive. Yes, there is concern over health care and retirement, but those are not the driving forces that has the steel coming from overseas.
All this is a blip in the economics of the world and as usual the US will indeed come out on top.
"...another spew of half truths, bias and some flat misinformation ..."
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The '05 has been such a success why even talk about the Cobra? It would add not a thing to the excitement of the new Mustang.
The '05 is a success after only a couple of months of sales? Talk about bias, misinformation, and half truths!
Coletti smooletti, you actually think one person leaving is going to end Ford proformance programs? Yeah right, thats what old Shelby thought when he left the first time. It's just not going to happen.
As far as this weak dollar non-sense goes, the reason for a big trade deficit is a strong dollar making U.S. products expensive overseas, and import products cheap in the U.S. So now the tables have turned and import products are expensive and domestic products are cheap, Europeans are storming our borders to buy cheap American products. So school me on why, exactly, this is going to bring the U.S. economy to its knees, and throw zillions of us out of work.
Oh, and wouldn't the weak dollar causing foreign steel to be sooooo expensive, make domestic steel more attractive to domestic manufactures once again?
1) When Shelby left, there was no performance at Ford for 20 years. The 82 Mustang GT was the 1st performance Ford after 1970.
2) I'd suggest you do some research before you post about the dollar. The dollar is the weakest its been since, well, Reagan.
3) Please post any American products being bought by Europe. We don't makie much anymore. Even Levi's, which Europeans DO buy are now made in China.
4) Millions of Americans ARE out of work. Hiring hasn't kept pace with population growth.
5) Dude, Do you know what it takes to build an industry AFTER it's been dismantled?! Are you REALLY serious with this line of reasoning?!
1) When Shelby left, there was no performance at Ford for 20 years. The 82 Mustang GT was the 1st performance Ford after 1970.
2) I'd suggest you do some research before you post about the dollar. The dollar is the weakest its been since, well, Reagan.
3) Please post any American products being bought by Europe. We don't makie much anymore. Even Levi's, which Europeans DO buy are now made in China.
4) Millions of Americans ARE out of work. Hiring hasn't kept pace with population growth.
5) Dude, Do you know what it takes to build an industry AFTER it's been dismantled?! Are you REALLY serious with this line of reasoning?!
1) That was due to gas and insurance prices, not Shelby.
2) Since we saw the largest gain in personal income under Reagan, and for the next 15 years because of his policies, again I ask, who cares if the dollar is dropping like a rock.
3) I guess they are buying hamburgers, since we don't seem to make anything. Go to the Canadian border and count how many bus loads of europeans are coming down to shop in America, better bring a lot of notepads.
4) Those millions out of work must not have many skills, like being able to tie their own shoes. Toyota of Indiana can't find enough workers around here, same goes for Alcoa Aluminum. If you know anybody willing to relocate, and they are just a little smarter than a box of rocks, we have got $15- $20 an hour factory jobs out the ying yang around here. The cost of living around here is wicked low, $15- $20 an hour is pretty big money, so anybody interested send them a resume.
5) I've been to every major steel plant in the U.S., foreign pressure is not what reduced their numbers. It was lack of investment in technology caused mainly by labor and pension costs that did them in. Thats the thing about capitalism, if you don't boost production without keeping labor costs in reality, you go down hard. If it is so expensive to make steel in America, how is Nucor getting a 37.85 return on invested capital? Is it because they develop better processes, invest heavy in technology, and keep labor costs in the sanity range? Most American steel plants I've been in look about the same as they did in the '40s, and even with 30 guys making $27 an hour standing around complaining about how hard their job is, it would take on average 6-8 hours to get a load of steel on the bed of my truck. Think I'm full of BS, just ask any flatbed truck driver about a U.S. steel mill and count how many veins pop out of their neck.
1) That was due to gas and insurance prices, not Shelby.
2) Since we saw the largest gain in personal income under Reagan, and for the next 15 years because of his policies, again I ask, who cares if the dollar is dropping like a rock.
3) I guess they are buying hamburgers, since we don't seem to make anything. Go to the Canadian border and count how many bus loads of europeans are coming down to shop in America, better bring a lot of notepads.
4) Those millions out of work must not have many skills, like being able to tie their own shoes. Toyota of Indiana can't find enough workers around here, same goes for Alcoa Aluminum. If you know anybody willing to relocate, and they are just a little smarter than a box of rocks, we have got $15- $20 an hour factory jobs out the ying yang around here. The cost of living around here is wicked low, $15- $20 an hour is pretty big money, so anybody interested send them a resume.
5) I've been to every major steel plant in the U.S., foreign pressure is not what reduced their numbers. It was lack of investment in technology caused mainly by labor and pension costs that did them in. Thats the thing about capitalism, if you don't boost production without keeping labor costs in reality, you go down hard. If it is so expensive to make steel in America, how is Nucor getting a 37.85 return on invested capital? Is it because they develop better processes, invest heavy in technology, and keep labor costs in the sanity range? Most American steel plants I've been in look about the same as they did in the '40s, and even with 30 guys making $27 an hour standing around complaining about how hard their job is, it would take on average 6-8 hours to get a load of steel on the bed of my truck. Think I'm full of BS, just ask any flatbed truck driver about a U.S. steel mill and count how many veins pop out of their neck.
3) Canadian buses generally bring Canadians. Europeans usually come in via International Airports. Canadians are NOT Europeans. Can't you even get your continents straight? Canada is in North America.
4) Are you talking about the tech industry going to India? You know those floks all have Bachelor's, Master's, and Ph.D.'s. What skills do they need? flipping burgers? http://www.computerworld.com/careert...,94826,00.html
P.S. have you ever worked in a steel mill? You do realize that Union jobs are the only non-professional jobs keeping pace with inflation? Are these sour grapes?
I think it's great a steel worker earns enough for his or her spouse to stay home and take care of children, watch the neighborhood, and can send their kids to college. It's too bad no one else can, anymore.
this thread is lame now.
