The link above seems to be accurate, based on other things I've read lately. I don't think Ford will drop SVT, but may change the name again. Coletti leaving won't likely be reason enough to drop the lineup. They made specialty vehicles long before he entered the picture, and Mr. Ford himself has been fairly attentive to performance products lately. Ford made powerful cars after 1970, just not many until 1983, save turbo cars in the late 70's. Shelby had little or nothing to do with any of that. He may have something to do with Fords next Cobra though.
It seems a bit confusing to read that Ford had no performance cars for 20 years after Shelby left, then to read in the very next sentence, there was a 12yr gap from 1970(he was already gone) and 1982. Clearly its wasn't 20yrs. Mustangs wore a Shelby badge, and none were produced 20yrs before 1982.
The link above seems to be accurate, based on other things I've read lately. I don't think Ford will drop SVT, but may change the name again. Coletti leaving won't likely be reason enough to drop the lineup. They made specialty vehicles long before he entered the picture, and Mr. Ford himself has been fairly attentive to performance products lately. Ford made powerful cars after 1970, just not many until 1983, save turbo cars in the late 70's. Shelby had little or nothing to do with any of that. He may have something to do with Fords next Cobra though.
It seems a bit confusing to read that Ford had no performance cars for 20 years after Shelby left, then to read in the very next sentence, there was a 12yr gap from 1970(he was already gone) and 1982. Clearly its wasn't 20yrs. Mustangs wore a Shelby badge, and none were produced 20yrs before 1982.
The Mustang GT wasn't a specialty car like a Boss Mustang or a Shelby. The first Specialty Mustang was the SVO which debuted in 1984. This car wasn't the "Halo" car of the musclecar tradition, and sold poorly.
Shelby had little to do with Shelby Mustangs after 1968, which was a continuation of the 1967 model with few changes. the 1969 and 1970 models were designed by FoMoCo, and only used Shelby's name.
The first V8 Specialty car that created the performance "Halo" was the SVT Mustang of 1993. 1968-1993 is 25 years. If you want to count the Boss Mustangs, which were truly performance cars one could race with a little work, 1970 was the last year, which adds up to 23 years.
" -- Effective Dec. 1, Hau Thai-Tang is appointed Director, Advanced Product Creation and Special Vehicle Team (SVT)." It's a tad over 1 month "old news" It took effect Dec. 1, less than 25 days ago. Call it old if you like, but the fact is SVT isn't dead, believe it or not. I doubt they'd give someone the title to a division they're removing.
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1) When Shelby left, there was no performance at Ford for 20 years. The 82 Mustang GT was the 1st performance Ford after 1970.
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Originally Posted by kscoyote
The Mustang GT wasn't a specialty car like a Boss Mustang or a Shelby. The first Specialty Mustang was the SVO which debuted in 1984. This car wasn't the "Halo" car of the musclecar tradition, and sold poorly.
Shelby had little to do with Shelby Mustangs after 1968, which was a continuation of the 1967 model with few changes. the 1969 and 1970 models were designed by FoMoCo, and only used Shelby's name.
The first V8 Specialty car that created the performance "Halo" was the SVT Mustang of 1993. 1968-1993 is 25 years. If you want to count the Boss Mustangs, which were truly performance cars one could race with a little work, 1970 was the last year, which adds up to 23 years.
I think you've confused yourself. It seems that in order to make yourself correct, you're changing the statement to match the facts. Ford made "performance" vehicles before Shelby and Coletti, after shelby, and will after Coletti. That, according to Ford Motor Company, not Blue Oval News.com. Incidentally, there's likely never been a group more "anti-Ford" than Blue Oval News and there certainly isn't today. If you believe half the negative sentiment you read there, well, can't help ya.
Just because the 93 Cobra was the first V8 "upgrade" of the standard Mustang GT doesn't mean Ford had no performance from 1968 to 1993. That, on it's face is simply false information.
LOL! He is an expert at this as are most of the Liberal Intelligentsia Elite.
He believes there is nothing that can be the truth or a fact if it cannot be linked to.
Their grip on realty extends no further than a mouse and keyboard.....
Like I said, we'll see. Right now the program is officially on "hiatus" for two years.
I'm still waiting for something you've been correct about, Tom. Since I was a member of the Rubberworker's Union, I hardly qualify for "elitism." But compared to your analyses, I suppose you could easily look up to me!
I'm still waiting for something you've been correct about, Tom. Since I was a member of the Rubberworker's Union, I hardly qualify for "elitism." But compared to your analyses, I suppose you could easily look up to me!
The point is, I DO NOT need to justify myself to you or anyone else.
I'm not the AFM proclaimed Liberal that NEEDS the attention.
It is not that I do not think you are intelligent, but your lack of personal experience and obvious bias shines through every time you discuss anything not involving a car and even then, like in this post, you let your own bias poison what might be an interesting read about the direction Ford will take now.
I've been involved with several types of business and even a treasurer and VP of a corporation. I HATED the pressure and it effected my health and family life so I chose a different line of work. I've been in THREE different unions and a shop steward. Your posts continually project you lack of personal experience in many matters involving business and economics. Little about business and how it truly is ran by it's executives ever gets in print. A corporation of any kind only publishes what it WANTS you to believe and hopes it will garner publicity and positively influence it's financial outlook.
Now, the key influence to the price of steel is that China is buying most of the scrap and the created shortage has driven the price up. Bush saved 40,000 steel jobs by putting a tariff on imports, but it cost 400,000 jobs because the tariffs force US business to pay a higher price for it's steel putting it out of competition for things like construction equipment and even steel barrels. This is fact and I don't give a hoot in hell if YOU believe me or not.
One of the reasons some state that there is not much middle class money is that many that were in the middle class have moved up! The wealth of the majority of Americans has been on the increase and will continue to do so. The other major factor is that there is not nearly as much refinancing of private homes resulting in less disposable income. There are thousands of influences affecting our economy. Neither you or I have all the answers and unlike yourself, me and Greenspan will admit that. :thumbsup
The point is, I DO NOT need to justify myself to you or anyone else.
I'm not the AFM proclaimed Liberal that NEEDS the attention.
It is not that I do not think you are intelligent, but your lack of personal experience and obvious bias shines through every time you discuss anything not involving a car and even then, like in this post, you let your own bias poison what might be an interesting read about the direction Ford will take now.
I've been involved with several types of business and even a treasurer and VP of a corporation. I HATED the pressure and it effected my health and family life so I chose a different line of work. I've been in THREE different unions and a shop steward. Your posts continually project you lack of personal experience in many matters involving business and economics. Little about business and how it truly is ran by it's executives ever gets in print. A corporation of any kind only publishes what it WANTS you to believe and hopes it will garner publicity and positively influence it's financial outlook.
Now, the key influence to the price of steel is that China is buying most of the scrap and the created shortage has driven the price up. Bush saved 40,000 steel jobs by putting a tariff on imports, but it cost 400,000 jobs because the tariffs force US business to pay a higher price for it's steel putting it out of competition for things like construction equipment and even steel barrels. This is fact and I don't give a hoot in hell if YOU believe me or not.
One of the reasons some state that there is not much middle class money is that many that were in the middle class have moved up! The wealth of the majority of Americans has been on the increase and will continue to do so. The other major factor is that there is not nearly as much refinancing of private homes resulting in less disposable income. There are thousands of influences affecting our economy. Neither you or I have all the answers and unlike yourself, me and Greenspan will admit that. :thumbsup
I look down on no one, btw.
Still in fantasyland, eh? . . . Click your heels and say after me -"There's no place like home, There's no place like home . .. "
I don't know where all these bullshit rumors are coming from out there--but I speak from having spoken to 3 SVT Ford dealers in NJ. Now don't jump all over me because I'm basing my conclusions from personnel from 3 SVT dealers in Jersey. But I have found these guys to be credible and reliable. All 3 did vote for President Bush---so their credentials can not be brought into question. LOL From what they have told me--and their stories are consistent---we may just see a 2007 cobra revealed in Jan 06. That sounds more realistic than by 2007. The SVT Lightning sounds like its simply on hold. Not dead. As for other matters---Ford is actually doing much better than the two previous quarters. I don't see how the SVT program is going to die. Coletti's departure into automotive ash heap of history won't kill the SVT program. I do think though---that all SVT vehicles are going to get a nice price increase. And why shouldn't they? Supposedly the rumors are true that the next cobra will have a supercharged 5.4. I definetely find that to be more fact than fiction---especially since the Ford GT is now in mass production. You don't simply build a supercharged 5.4 program for 3,000 cars. There are big plans for the 5.4. Personally, I can't blame Ford for increasing the price on SVT stangs. All the lucky 03-04 snake owners have a horsepower warhead under their hoods. And with the current aftermarket tuning available for mustangs---you can easily build a mustang that compares performance wise to today's supercars. Granted you have more than just monopoly money to play with.
What's up with that unemployment post??? There have always been unemployed people--especially in the manufacturing sector. Its not all gloom and doom my friend----Centrifugal blowers are coming down in price------HEEYAAAAA
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2001 cobra conv. - 80mm C&L Kit, Plasma Booster, 65mm BBK T/B, Jba shorties, Bassani X and catback, Kenny Brown front and rear strut tower, Steeda X2 Ball Joint, all the KB subframes, KB lowered stock springs, 4.10s and other 03 wannabee cobra stuff.
"You have to have been a real dumbass to buy an 01 cobra with the 03 cobra coming out. And I gentlemen, fall in this category."
Towards the end of your post--you spoke about the lack of refinancing of homes as being a big cause of middle income families not having more disposable income. My friend---do you honestly think that its healthy for people to refinance their homes all the time??? Its healthy to do it if your original mortgage has a high rate---but in just about every case--you are still increasing what you are going to pay off. Where I am going with this is simply that what will lead America to an economic meltdown--won't be any of Bush's current policies or the Federal deficit. What will bring this nation to financial Pompeii--will be the more than $70 trillion in personal debt that our citizens have. Thats real fiscal irresponsibility--and there isn't a President now or in the future that can stop people from over charging their credit cards and getting way over their heads. Americans need to clean up their personal debt before they panic about a Federal debt that can be gradually taken care of. And lets not even get on the outsourcing rant. That swine (CLINTON) that you probably worship---pressured every Republican in Congress to get on the NAFTA bill. The NAFTA law opened the door for outsourcing in North America. People are in business to make money. I really can't blame business men for going overseas for cheaper labor. Don't get me wrong--its not right and it hurts Americans. But with all the bullshit manufacturing lawsuits and bloated hospital health care costs burying companies in debt----something has to give. You are right---there aren't simple solutions and there are more mitigating factors than the ones that I covered. But to narrow the source of the problem to President Bush---when the Democratic party feeds the platform of the welfare state and religious bigotry--well----then you've crossed the line. Take solice brother---we'll do it all over again in 4 years. And we'll get to hear once again from the 'blue collar' workers of Hollywood how you have to be stupid or just a pygmie to vote for a Republican. And we'll just sweep ya again LOL
To more important matters----what kind of dyno numbers you have?
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2001 cobra conv. - 80mm C&L Kit, Plasma Booster, 65mm BBK T/B, Jba shorties, Bassani X and catback, Kenny Brown front and rear strut tower, Steeda X2 Ball Joint, all the KB subframes, KB lowered stock springs, 4.10s and other 03 wannabee cobra stuff.
"You have to have been a real dumbass to buy an 01 cobra with the 03 cobra coming out. And I gentlemen, fall in this category."
Sacrifice the V8s before the V6s???? Now thats blasphemous and worthy of being banned from this board
On a serious note---anyone have any links to some hot ass chicks from car shows with some big zeppelins??? Just to be clear----I'm not looking for porn----just chicks posing with cars at popular car shows. I'm sure a lot of you filthy bastards have a nice folder on your desktop that you are anxious to share. Please share :lock
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2001 cobra conv. - 80mm C&L Kit, Plasma Booster, 65mm BBK T/B, Jba shorties, Bassani X and catback, Kenny Brown front and rear strut tower, Steeda X2 Ball Joint, all the KB subframes, KB lowered stock springs, 4.10s and other 03 wannabee cobra stuff.
"You have to have been a real dumbass to buy an 01 cobra with the 03 cobra coming out. And I gentlemen, fall in this category."
It seems that in order to make yourself correct, you're changing the statement to match the facts. Ford made "performance" vehicles before Shelby and Coletti, after shelby, and will after Coletti. That, according to Ford Motor Company, not Blue Oval News.com. Incidentally, there's likely never been a group more "anti-Ford" than Blue Oval News and there certainly isn't today. If you believe half the negative sentiment you read there, well, can't help ya.
Heh, just kidding.
