Point being the school has no ground to stand on and needs to shut the hell up and do what they are told to do....EDUCATE the youth of America ..not make them follow BS rules. As for the girl cussing at the mother.....all I can say is HELL YEAH!!! I do not condone a child cussing just to hear themselves cuss but I mean come on the school should have had the woman escorted out of the building and never been allowed back in there unless it where a emergency. The girl is 15 years old for god sake i expect that response from her .. i do not expect a GROWN woman to try and cuss out a young girl!!!!! The woman was in the wrong, she did not have to say a single word, yet this is just another example of someone who is noty ready to be a parent yet she were allowed to breed therefore falling into responsibilities she knows nothing about.
most people DON'T know why we have public education.
Thomas Jefferson wanted universal education for democracy, not for a job. School exists to create informed citizens. Part of civic life is learning to get along with others you may not agree with.
This is why the Supreme Court has ALWAYS sided with freedom of expression in the schools.
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One thing I do agree with is not to be a push over, but I feel there may have been a better way to go about things than calling anohter person a f***ing c***. Yes, teach them to stand up for themselves, but try teaching a little class too. Your daughter really didn't get far calling her a foul name, did she? Was the 5 day suspension worth it? All she did was lower herself to that womans standards. What if your daughter was working as a cashier at the local grocery store and turns around and calls a customer a f***ing c***? She get fired, that's what.
As for the woman who threatened your daughter, and called her a b****, she has no class what so ever. There is no excuse for an adult to call a 15 year old a name, or any other name like that. The best thing you could have done and did do was tell your children to stay away from her. Obviosly she has some jealousy issues and is has taken them out on your girls, and also sound like this particular woman needs to grow up, get a grip and get over it. I hope this woman backs off of your girls and thier friend. I'm not so much concerned with the skin clothing issue as I am the saftey of your girls and thier friend. If I were in your shoes, I would document any and every word this woman speaks to your kids.
As far as the skin clothing issue goes, I visited thier website. Not cloths I would let my daughter wear. A skirt that says "show some" and the girl on the car with her bra pulled off and her underwear around her ankles was a tad tasteless for me. At least everything that was hanging out for the world to see was blacked out. Irregardless of the gang issue or white supremacy issues, it seem to me this clothing company promotes sleezy dressing of young girls. I can only imagine how short those skirts are . But that's my issue with them. Schools almost out for the year. Send them to school minus the Skin brand clothing. If they like wearing skin let them wear it to the mall or where ever they hang out.
Don't know if it helps, but like i said earlier my main concern is the safty of your children.
Being a college student, and one who lives in the bay area where almost anything goes, I was going to stay out of this. However, recent poitns have been made. I have a couple things to say.
A) I also would never allow my children to dress this way, especially not to school, nor would I wear such myself. Baring too much skin is considered a breach of student contract with the school, and from what I see, that's WAY too much skin.
B) Why are people debating this anyways. It's happened, whether it's the parents fault or the school does not matter. Yes, things happened that shouldn't have, too late to change that now. As a future teacher, and a mother, I believe that your daughter should learn just a little respect for rules and authority, since neither she nor her parents seem to have any. As a student, I say she has every right ot act out.
I do not feel as though there is any one person at fault here, nor do I believe any one person involved is not at fault. Everyone seems to have lessons to learn, including yourself, and everyone should be sharing in the punishment, not just your daughter.
I don't say this as though it's the only oppinion. I've read most everything else said and it seems to me as though everyone has a valid point. But I have one to make also. Get over it, move on, teach your daughter some respect, and let her get the education she both deserves and needs in order to succeed in this world.
with that said, I go to write the paper I put off for ten minutes in order to respond.
Well see the thing is, this is a major issue. Sure, on the surface it's just clothing but it's more than that. It's the fundimental freedom of expression. Whether we choose to support the message of this clothing is up for discussion but it is the individuals right to express through clothing or what ever means, provided that nobody else is injured. In this case there is no injury I'm quite certain. Children are citizens of our great country as well. Many times through out my life people have tried to limit children's rights and through this attack the adult world as well. For a time it was said that children do not have the right to be protected against unreasonable search, the matter of expression has been on going for years including personally run, non school related publications. I'm tired of our civil liberties being taken from us on an almost daily basis now. Between the right restricting our expression and electronic communication and the left restricting gun ownership and limiting self incrimination we're done for. We must protect her right to expression even if we don't agree with the message. The parent here says she agrees with the message and thus we must as well for the parent must be the last word on this issue. The responsibility for children must fall on the parent, not the government, not the school, the parent. When unsure, side with protection of liberty.
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First of all, you know nothing about me. You're just trying to blame everyone else for the problems that you created. Secondly, my point is that clothing is a very small issue and the energy you're spending trying to defend it could be better spent on areas in your school that really matter. Like: Racial Discrimination; Gender Discrimination; Inadequate funding of materials; The disadvantaged poor; Inequality; Teen Pregnancy; Abortion; Racial Profiling.
Stand up for what's right. Yes. Absolutely. But choose your battles. Clothing isn't worth the energy that you're spending, and it's certainly not worth the cost of your dauther's education.
The fact that you state that you're daughter's response was "right on the money" speaks volumes. (And it's not good reading.) I stand by what I said.
Maybe I did not mention she was only wearing the SKIN sweatshirts and jackets.
She is only 14, and I would not allow her to wear any sexy, revealing clothing to school or anywhere!
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I am an adult, and I do wear SKIN clothing.
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Respect is earned..........Just because someone is older, works at a school, whatever the case, not everyone deserves respect.
Being a college student, and one who lives in the bay area where almost anything goes, I was going to stay out of this. However, recent poitns have been made. I have a couple things to say.
A) I also would never allow my children to dress this way, especially not to school, nor would I wear such myself. Baring too much skin is considered a breach of student contract with the school, and from what I see, that's WAY too much skin.
B) Why are people debating this anyways. It's happened, whether it's the parents fault or the school does not matter. Yes, things happened that shouldn't have, too late to change that now. As a future teacher, and a mother, I believe that your daughter should learn just a little respect for rules and authority, since neither she nor her parents seem to have any. As a student, I say she has every right ot act out.
I do not feel as though there is any one person at fault here, nor do I believe any one person involved is not at fault. Everyone seems to have lessons to learn, including yourself, and everyone should be sharing in the punishment, not just your daughter.
I don't say this as though it's the only oppinion. I've read most everything else said and it seems to me as though everyone has a valid point. But I have one to make also. Get over it, move on, teach your daughter some respect, and let her get the education she both deserves and needs in order to succeed in this world.
with that said, I go to write the paper I put off for ten minutes in order to respond.
You don't know what exactly she was wearing, I thought it was a jacket.
But what's "sleazy" in Amish Pennsylvania, may not be in Hawaii. It's why it can't be regulated by the government. It may only be regulated if it causes disruption in the classroom, which is not at issue here.
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Maybe I did not mention she was only wearing the SKIN sweatshirts and jackets.
She is only 14, and I would not allow her to wear any sexy, revealing clothing to school or anywhere!
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I am an adult, and I do wear SKIN clothing.
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Respect is earned..........Just because someone is older, works at a school, whatever the case, not everyone deserves respect.
I think everyone deserves dignity and respect unless they prove otherwise. I can certainly understand your daughter's reaction.
Our Founding Father's had no respect for the King's Rule, so I'd say disrespect is an American Tradition . ..
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I think everyone deserves dignity and respect unless they prove otherwise. I can certainly understand your daughter's reaction.
Thank you Coyote, that's exactly what I was implying. And Wldchic, that's exactly why I DIDN'T want to get into this debate, because I know that whatever I said, coming from a teacher's perspective or a Students, It would be taken wrong.
basically, I poped in to say, everyone's at fault, everyone should pay. Now I see why your daughter is so disrespectful, she gets it from you. I simply offered my oppinion, like everyone else, and got shot down because I didn't get all the facts. It happens lady, grow up. and with that, I withdraw from the conversation and hope other's are more respectful. and, oh yeah, why the debate? nothing can be done.
I can’t believe I read this entire post I think my IQ was just lowered 5 point!
First off, don’t get the idea I am all for the schools, as although I am very active in my local school district I don’t always see things the way they do. But this is retarded.
Second off we only have one side of the story here the other parties are not here to defend themselves so we have to just take the word of one if it seems logical.
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The school principal and school district tells me the "SKIN" clothing is related to "WHITE SUPREMECY".........it is NOT, in any way, shape, or form.
Who are they to say what clothing stands for? Where do they get the info? There is no document they could provide me with showing any such involvement.
This is a total lack of understanding of what gang apparel is. The skin apparel has been adopted by local skin heads just like other gangs have adopted red or blue bandanas, Raiders apparel, Cardinal apparel , British Knights Shoes and a variety of other brand names, these companies didn’t ask for these groups to use their products as there symbols but it happened (hey Coyote why don’t you get these companies to file a law suite against the gangs for copyright infringement, this would be a great task for you!) and for any idiots who sent emails trying to defend Skin appeal you are just showing a total lack of understanding as to what the problem of gang apparel is. Even though Keenr spelled it out in black and white.
Board Policy BP5132 Dress and Grooming sets out in pretty clear terms that gang apparel is not tolerated due to it being hazardous to the health and safety of the school environment, now I can see if someone didn’t know it was gang apparel, but 15 times, give me a break, you were told it was not approved on the first instance and chose to ignore it because to you thought you knew more then they did in the matter and chose to violate it 14 more times and now, wow you are surprised there are consequences.
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I'm sure I don't help the problem, everytime I go in to see the principal, I'm usually wearing a SKIN tanktop or something that would be unacceptable.......but I'm not in school!
And if you want the school to “prove” it has been adopted by skin heads let me suggest doing your own test if you don’t believe the apparel has been adopted by skin heads then have your daughter dress up in this clothing and go to a black neighborhood in a poor part of L.A. and drop her off for a few hours, if you pick her up in one peace your RIGHT!
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Originally Posted by wldchic
While in school, my daughter was passing through the office, JANE was in the office, she called my daughter a little b****, my daughter called her a f***ing c**t. Keep in mind my daughter is a child, JANE is an adult. I complained to the school cop and principal, my daughter was suspended (5 days) for using foul language; the mother was told, "don't talk to students". Is this right?
Wow 5 days is a really stiff punishment for someone’s fist ever discipline action outside of chewing gum and a tardy. Maybe you do have a psycho school district, I have seen it before or maybe we are just getting one side of the story, your side.
I suppose since this dirty laundry was placed on the net with the emails addresses of the people you are upset with I can only ASSume you exhausted the means set out by your school board, there is a form listed Challenging Student Records, AR 5125.3(a) you may request a review of the information on your child’s records and challenge any information that you believe is inaccurate So how did that meeting go? If you show up in your skin outfit and thumb your nose at them for the 16th time I have a guess as to the outcome.
Now Coyote you are once again wrong and wldchic is right, white people do suffer from racial discrimination. Check out K.C. v. Caddo parish School Board from the 5th Circuit court of appeals. I white student was denied admission to a magnet school district because his achievement test score was not high enough for a white applicant, although it was high enough for a black applicant. They sued the school and eventually won.
Coyote you really surprise me, I know you are intelligent but you really do have a reading comprehension problem, Keenr is 100% right and you need to do some research yourself, if you want a good friend of mine is a high school principal and has the last several years of the School Law Bulletin, maybe you should read it before you start interpretation cases. And you need another lesson on how the courts work. The U.S. is divided into districts where several states are in those districts, if a local case is appealed it goes to the district it belongs in.. When you say California Law isn’t above US law you don’t understand Keenr ‘s superior knowledge of the court system. If the California Supreme Court and its district have sited in favor of school dress code, then it can be appealed to the Us Supreme Court, if the Us Supreme Court chooses to take the case they believe the matter may have been ruled in error and needs there attention, if they don’t take the case then they believe the lower court ruled correctly. So the Us Supreme Court supports the California Supreme Court (not that this happens often!)
One point you miss that Keenr makes is that the first amendment offers greater protection to pure speech, like political speech, other then type of expression, they only reason the arm band were upheld in Tinker is it is was a political stand, and is more protected then someone’s right to were a push up bra or spaghetti straps. Tinker actually states “the length of skits, or type of clothing….” in general was permissible.
All across the country school dress codes are upheld, in fact the more iron clad strict the policy the easer it is to defend, they only come under fire when they are laxed and undefined and decisions and interpretations have to be made on what is appropriate according to the policy.
According to your theory all schools who have a school uniforms any “restricting speech” and should be sued.
Wilkins v. Penns Grove Crneys Point Regional School District is one such example of a very strict polich being upheld. R.B. v. Fort Thomas Public school district is a case that further shows expressing individuality has generally not been viewed as a protected form of student expression regarding dress code (unlike pure speech like political stands).
The supreme court also said in Bethel School District #403 v. Fraser “the undoubted freedom to advocate unpopular and controversial views in school and classroom must be balanced against the society’s countervailing interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior.”
The courts and US supreme court has continually upheld that dress codes have do not infringe on students 1st amendment , or 14th amendment rights. Instead of forming an opinion on something then researching to back you opinion and then stating it is fact why not check the facts and find out what the case law (and therefore see what is actually LAW rather what you or the ACLU thinks the law should be!)
My favorite quote in regards to this (I know you love quotes Coyote) is from a judge on the 6th US Circuit in R.B. v. Fort Thomas Public School District when yet again the court upheld a dress code issue as not being a violation of students rights. The judge stated While parents have the fundamental right to decide whether to send their children to public school “they do not have the fundamental right generally to direct HOW a public school teaches their child.”
Wldchic don’t take this as a personnel attack because it’s not, you posed on the net for all to see this dirty laundry and you open yourself to both people who side with you and those who side against you. You created an mountain of a simple dress code issue that the school has every right BY LAW to enforce, the school is in charge of the care custody and control of your daughter and how many thousands of other students? You have taught your daughter to thumb her nose at authority or as you say “stand up for your rights” which the courts have proven over and over its not a right and now you child education and “whole future” are in jeopardy to prove a point which you did not understand in the first place. I seriously do hope you do as Coyote suggests and contact the ACLU because after they did up some of the facts, and when finally THEY tell you are out of luck they wont represent a losing cause that has already been set by presidencies then maybe you will finally relies how much you have risked and for what..
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I can’t believe I read this entire post I think my IQ was just lowered 5 point!
First off, don’t get the idea I am all for the schools, as although I am very active in my local school district I don’t always see things the way they do. But this is retarded.
Second off we only have one side of the story here the other parties are not here to defend themselves so we have to just take the word of one if it seems logical.
This is a total lack of understanding of what gang apparel is. The skin apparel has been adopted by local skin heads just like other gangs have adopted red or blue bandanas, Raiders apparel, Cardinal apparel , British Knights Shoes and a variety of other brand names, these companies didn’t ask for these groups to use their products as there symbols but it happened (hey Coyote why don’t you get these companies to file a law suite against the gangs for copyright infringement, this would be a great task for you!) and for any idiots who sent emails trying to defend Skin appeal you are just showing a total lack of understanding as to what the problem of gang apparel is. Even though Keenr spelled it out in black and white.
Board Policy BP5132 Dress and Grooming sets out in pretty clear terms that gang apparel is not tolerated due to it being hazardous to the health and safety of the school environment, now I can see if someone didn’t know it was gang apparel, but 15 times, give me a break, you were told it was not approved on the first instance and chose to ignore it because to you thought you knew more then they did in the matter and chose to violate it 14 more times and now, wow you are surprised there are consequences.
And if you want the school to “prove” it has been adopted by skin heads let me suggest doing your own test if you don’t believe the apparel has been adopted by skin heads then have your daughter dress up in this clothing and go to a black neighborhood in a poor part of L.A. and drop her off for a few hours, if you pick her up in one peace your RIGHT!
Wow 5 days is a really stiff punishment for someone’s fist ever discipline action outside of chewing gum and a tardy. Maybe you do have a psycho school district, I have seen it before or maybe we are just getting one side of the story, your side.
I suppose since this dirty laundry was placed on the net with the emails addresses of the people you are upset with I can only ASSume you exhausted the means set out by your school board, there is a form listed Challenging Student Records, AR 5125.3(a) you may request a review of the information on your child’s records and challenge any information that you believe is inaccurate So how did that meeting go? If you show up in your skin outfit and thumb your nose at them for the 16th time I have a guess as to the outcome.
Now Coyote you are once again wrong and wldchic is right, white people do suffer from racial discrimination. Check out K.C. v. Caddo parish School Board from the 5th Circuit court of appeals. I white student was denied admission to a magnet school district because his achievement test score was not high enough for a white applicant, although it was high enough for a black applicant. They sued the school and eventually won.
Coyote you really surprise me, I know you are intelligent but you really do have a reading comprehension problem, Keenr is 100% right and you need to do some research yourself, if you want a good friend of mine is a high school principal and has the last several years of the School Law Bulletin, maybe you should read it before you start interpretation cases. And you need another lesson on how the courts work. The U.S. is divided into districts where several states are in those districts, if a local case is appealed it goes to the district it belongs in.. When you say California Law isn’t above US law you don’t understand Keenr ‘s superior knowledge of the court system. If the California Supreme Court and its district have sited in favor of school dress code, then it can be appealed to the Us Supreme Court, if the Us Supreme Court chooses to take the case they believe the matter may have been ruled in error and needs there attention, if they don’t take the case then they believe the lower court ruled correctly. So the Us Supreme Court supports the California Supreme Court (not that this happens often!)
One point you miss that Keenr makes is that the first amendment offers greater protection to pure speech, like political speech, other then type of expression, they only reason the arm band were upheld in Tinker is it is was a political stand, and is more protected then someone’s right to were a push up bra or spaghetti straps. Tinker actually states “the length of skits, or type of clothing….” in general was permissible.
All across the country school dress codes are upheld, in fact the more iron clad strict the policy the easer it is to defend, they only come under fire when they are laxed and undefined and decisions and interpretations have to be made on what is appropriate according to the policy.
According to your theory all schools who have a school uniforms any “restricting speech” and should be sued.
Wilkins v. Penns Grove Crneys Point Regional School District is one such example of a very strict polich being upheld. R.B. v. Fort Thomas Public school district is a case that further shows expressing individuality has generally not been viewed as a protected form of student expression regarding dress code (unlike pure speech like political stands).
The supreme court also said in Bethel School District #403 v. Fraser “the undoubted freedom to advocate unpopular and controversial views in school and classroom must be balanced against the society’s countervailing interest in teaching students the boundaries of socially appropriate behavior.”
The courts and US supreme court has continually upheld that dress codes have do not infringe on students 1st amendment , or 14th amendment rights. Instead of forming an opinion on something then researching to back you opinion and then stating it is fact why not check the facts and find out what the case law (and therefore see what is actually LAW rather what you or the ACLU thinks the law should be!)
My favorite quote in regards to this (I know you love quotes Coyote) is from a judge on the 6th US Circuit in R.B. v. Fort Thomas Public School District when yet again the court upheld a dress code issue as not being a violation of students rights. The judge stated While parents have the fundamental right to decide whether to send their children to public school “they do not have the fundamental right generally to direct HOW a public school teaches their child.”
Wldchic don’t take this as a personnel attack because it’s not, you posed on the net for all to see this dirty laundry and you open yourself to both people who side with you and those who side against you. You created an mountain of a simple dress code issue that the school has every right BY LAW to enforce, the school is in charge of the care custody and control of your daughter and how many thousands of other students? You have taught your daughter to thumb her nose at authority or as you say “stand up for your rights” which the courts have proven over and over its not a right and now you child education and “whole future” are in jeopardy to prove a point which you did not understand in the first place. I seriously do hope you do as Coyote suggests and contact the ACLU because after they did up some of the facts, and when finally THEY tell you are out of luck they wont represent a losing cause that has already been set by presidencies then maybe you will finally relies how much you have risked and for what..
Is this a copy of the other thread post? This is getting confusing.
Please read the response on the other thread.
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ok heres mine.
half of you people have to be crazy. one of the comments, i think the mother, said something to the extent of, 'she was told she couldnt wear this clothing because it was affiliated with white supremacy, and i have also seen kids wear shirts supporting black power, and have had nothing said to them'.
and the reply was something like, 'black power shirts are not banned because they dont imply violence, yet support black empowerment, the govt. cant limit freedom of expression' . WELL WHAT THE HELL? what does white supremacy support? the asian movement? would a "skin" (skinhead)shirt not imply white empowerment. i know the mother said it had nothing to do with skinheads, i cant argue that because i know nothing about the company. someone also said the make clothing and accessories for MX riders, i personally like Alpinestars but this has nothing to do with me. i know this arguement wasnt started over black and white but wow, what an ignorant comment.
Someone said police and authorities are trying to get rid of logos pro teams and athletes wear because gangs pick them up and use them, haha, well garth brooks wore wrangler jeans, should these be banned?
and another comment about discrimination. everyone is discrimated against.
dont get me wrong, but i do get sick of hearing, "the only people feeling discrimination are blacks", bull ****. poor people, mentally disabled people, hell even rich people feel the effects of discrimination. you people need to get a grip on life. we have thousands of troops in iraq fighting for us, and what are we doing, sending a kid home for wearing clothing some dickhead up high thinks is not appropriate.
if situations like this are going to be resolved, the rules have to apply to everyone. not just a white girl wearing a sweatshirt.
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-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
. . . and if that is what you are seeking then you need to retain counsel to protect your legal rights. Until such time, you are your own counsel, and you are more than welcome to review the material here to determine for yourself what you need to do to protect your parental rights.
Isn't that advice?
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
I once knew a guy who when he was pulled over when the officer asked for his identification and registration. They guy pulled out a business card of an local attorney and stated this is my lawyer, I know my right I’m not answering anything. The officer then asked are you refusing to give me your identification and registration………..the guy crosses his arms and says nothing…………..
He is pulled out handcuffed and told he is under arrest for failing to obey a lawful order. His wallet is then removed his id checked and he is placed into a squad car. Then his car is searched incident to arrest (registration found) and then his vehicle was towed from the scene. They guy was issued his original traffic citation, failure to produce drivers license apron demand demand and had to post bond for failure to obey.
Long story short, if you think you know the law you better KNOW THE LAW. It will save you time and money.
Some people may think I’m joking, no people are really that stupid.
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So , let me get this straight…..your Honda has 1.6 liters, whereas my bottle of Mountain Dew has 2?
Change…..it’s what is left after taxes.
- Shaken....Not Stirred 2003 Mach I Auto Torch Red - Sold
-1988 Ford Mustang GT Convertible, 331 Trick Flow Stroker with a Tremec 3550....oh yea and a 1.6 liter V-TECH motor to work the convertible top.
- 1966 Inline 6……..the pile of parts car!
. But that's my issue with them. Schools almost out for the year. Send them to school minus the Skin brand clothing. If they like wearing skin let them wear it to the mall or where ever they hang out. 
