Student Suspended/Expelled for wearing "SKIN" clothing.
This is about my daughter: There is another 8th grade girl that lives in our neighborhood, she was in a talent contest at school and lost. My daughters (twins) are best friends with the girl that won "SUE". The girls do not hang out with each other, but they don't have any problems either.
The mother, "JANE" of the girl that did not win does have a problem, with my daughters and SUE. If they walk by her house she comes out screaming and yelling, she has threatened to kill them, and dispose of their bodies. I FILED A POLICE REPORT, nothing happened. The police told them to stay away from her house "SHE IS CRAZY".... they have. While in school, my daughter was passing through the office, JANE was in the office, she called my daughter a little b****, my daughter called her a f***ing c**t. Keep in mind my daughter is a child, JANE is an adult. I complained to the school cop and principal, my daughter was suspended (5 days) for using foul language; the mother was told, "don't talk to students". Is this right? Now for the second part............ My daughters wear "SKIN CLOTHING", for those of you who don't know:
"Skin Stores also carry many of the top brands of accessories to finish your ensemble. In today’s flooded retail market Skin Stores are separated from the pack by brand recognition. Skin Stores have established this with 5 World Freestyle Motocross Championships, sponsoring top pro BMXer’s, Skateboarders and Wake Boarders. It doesn’t stop there, Skin Industries also supports bands like, Voodoo Glow Skulls, Gutter Mouth, The Nobody’s, Long Beach Dub All-stars, HB Surround Sound and the Kotton Mouth Kings just to name a few." http://skinindustries.com/
The school principal and school district tells me the "SKIN" clothing is related to "WHITE SUPREMECY".........it is NOT, in any way, shape, or form. Who are they to say what clothing stands for? Where do they get the info? There is no document they could provide me with showing any such involvement.
My daughter has been in trouble several (15) times for wearing the SKIN clothing. I did not make her stop, because there is nothing wrong with her clothing, and we have no involvement in any type white supremacy. The school district calls it disobeying.
The school district/principal now has put her up for expulsion. She did not dress out for PE on Monday; she was disobeying again. So the bottom line is she had disobeyed too many times. EXPULSION FOR CLOTHING..................
Where is the education part in all of this? What about Math, English, and Social Studies..............What is this teaching her?
What do I do? I have to stand up for what I believe in, which I did, by not making her stop wearing the clothing, they had no evidence of white supremacy, it doesn't exist. If I back down now, what is that showing my daughter? If I continue, I put her in risk of problems at school.
HELP.................My daughter's name is Courtney Quinn.
School: Bella Vista Middle School, Murrieta, California Principal: Pam Keller Principal Phone: (951) 294-6600
I will make sure that the superintendent here's about this. I have to say this though. Only in liberal Califonia(where they take these things too far) could this happen. I would also contact skin clothing. They will probably pitch a fit about this as well.
Rules are rules. What kind of example do you set for your daughters by not enforcing the rules. I happen to believe that limits need to be set on what is acceptable attire in school, and that you dont challenge the rules by allowing your 15yr old daughters to break them. You elect people to the school board who share your views. You are not very smart.
So in the end, you've taught your girls that it's a good thing to challenge authority over things that don't matter (clothing) and in doing so they're sacrificing their education over what you are calling a principle. What right do they have to determine what kind of clothing is acceptable, you ask? They have every right and are in fact responsible for creating a learning environment that is free from distractions. Have you ever heard of the saying "Don't sweat the small stuff"? Clothing is small stuff, and it seems that you've spent a great deal of energy over it at the cost of your daughters' education. They've been disciplined fifteen times for dress code violations? Shame on you. On an additional note, you seem to not have a problem with your daughter's use of colorful metaphors when speaking to an adult. Yeah, the woman should not have said that to your daughter, but your daughter's response was, well, vulgar to say the least.
There is probably more to this story than what's given.
It begs the question: Why do bad parents happen to good kids?
Rules are rules. First of all, it is not stated anywhere that SKIN clothing cannot be worn. So, it isn't a rule. Which is why I am so mad. If it was/became a rule, post it, write it down, tell someone. Don't make it up as you go along.
<TABLE class=tborder cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=6 width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR title="Post 315154" vAlign=top><TD class=alt1 align=middle width=125>newstangownr</TD><TD class=alt2>So in the end, you've taught your girls that it's a good thing to challenge authority over things that don't matter (clothing) and in doing so they're sacrificing their education over what you are calling a principle. What right do they have to determine what kind of clothing is acceptable, you ask? They have every right and are in fact responsible for creating a learning environment that is free from distractions. Have you ever heard of the saying "Don't sweat the small stuff"? Clothing is small stuff, and it seems that you've spent a great deal of energy over it at the cost of your daughters' education. They've been disciplined fifteen times for dress code violations? Shame on you. On an additional note, you seem to not have a problem with your daughter's use of colorful metaphors when speaking to an adult. Yeah, the woman should not have said that to your daughter, but your daughter's response was, well, vulgar to say the least.
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Amazing......Don't sweat the small stuff, it is people like who who do not stand up for what is right, no matter how small.......clothing is a small issue, I agree, but if what is going on is wrong, you just can't sit down, shut up, and go along with it.
My daughters response to the nasty woman, was right on the money. How dare she talk to my daughter............ever.
One thing I am teaching my daughter is to stand up for what is right. That will be better than any lesson she will ever learn in school.
It is very easy for you to say “shame on you for letting your daughter break the rules”. Well California school districts are broken! And they break the rules all the time! They spend more time, energy, and money on petty crap like this instead of TEACHING!
They wanted to send my son home, on a test day, because he ***** a tang top type T-shirt to class. They, the school, told him it was a “wife beater” shirt. Well the class was just after lunch and he had spilled something on his regular shirt. Instead of going home and changing, being late for the test, he had taken the soiled shirt off leaving the “T shirt” on. After the test he had the teacher follow him from one side of the campus to the other yelling at him about his shirt. Threaten to expel him from school, over a T-shirt, if he did not go home and change it.
So what is more important here? Wearing a so called “wife beater” T shirt or showing some responsibility by getting to class on time to take a test? Oh and by the way, my son does not have a wife to beat in the first place.
The schools, not all I hope, in California are broken! They have one of the worst testing scores in the country, yet they have more funding then most. They spend more time trying to “control” and “punish” kids then they try to teach them. They whine and cry about how bad the teachers have it, while the kids learn nothing. This is about the kids, not the teachers.
My son had a teacher walk out of the class because two students where not in there seats while HE was 5 min late. He did this several times. Yelling at the kids that they did not want to learn so why should he hang around. This was because of one or two kids that cause trouble. When I questioned the principle and teacher about this, they said “Well the other students should say something to the two. You know police there own” EXCUSE ME? It is not the other kid’s responsibility to handle other kids. They have enough to deal with on their own, I said. “It shows total disrespect for the teacher” they came back with. What about the teachers disrespect towards the students. I’m sorry; if someone disrespects me I’m not going to show a whole lot back. Respect gets respect.
Well I could go on with plenty of stories. I for one hope the Governator get’s his way. If I did not do my job, or get results, I would be out on my a$$. It should be the same for schools and teachers. Yeah there are students that cause trouble, get them the f@#$ out of there so others can learn.
I commend you for teaching your daughter to fight for what she/you feel is right. That is the American way! I don’t agree with the way your daughter came back at that lady. She should have said nothing and gone right to the principle or you with the matter.
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I don't believe what I'm reading. Wildchic's daughter getting suspended 15 times for wearing a particular brand of clothing? This is acceptable? Sounds like the child is being the parent. I have 4 kids, one a hs soph, one in the 7th grade, one in the fourth grade and a 2 year old. They have never been in trouble like this in school. Dress codes as well as any other school rules are written out and are signed by parents and students alike at the beginning of the school year here in Texas (Pflugerville I.S.D.). If you have any problems with the dress code it should have been brought up at the beginning of the school year before you sign the rule sheet. But in order to try and get this particular brand of clothing on the acceptable list. Maybe a petition should be started and signed by a majority and be brought in front of the school board at an open meeting. Rules are put upon us to keep discipline. That seems to be a big problem for today's youth. Too many of today's parents won't say no to their children.
I don't believe what I'm reading. Wildchic's daughter getting suspended 15 times for wearing a particular brand of clothing? This is acceptable? Sounds like the child is being the parent. I have 4 kids, one a hs soph, one in the 7th grade, one in the fourth grade and a 2 year old. They have never been in trouble like this in school. Dress codes as well as any other school rules are written out and are signed by parents and students alike at the beginning of the school year here in Texas (Pflugerville I.S.D.). If you have any problems with the dress code it should have been brought up at the beginning of the school year before you sign the rule sheet. But in order to try and get this particular brand of clothing on the acceptable list. Maybe a petition should be started and signed by a majority and be brought in front of the school board at an open meeting. Rules are put upon us to keep discipline. That seems to be a big problem for today's youth. Too many of today's parents won't say no to their children.
Maybe I should clear this up a bit................
THERE IS NO RULE ANYWHERE THAT STATES "SKIN" CLOTHING IS NOT TO BE WORN.
So do you get my point.......the rule doesn't exist. It is not there. It has never been there, and to this date, still no sign of it.
Which leads to my problem........how do you suspend, and put up for expulsion a child that has not broken any rules?
Ok time for a college student's opinion... I support wildchic and JUSTNLX if you do not teach your kids to stand up for themselves then they wil go through life being a little pushover or other wise known as a *****!
I know one big issue with clothing at the high school I attended was the Dixie Outfitters shirts I mean come on I am in the south so that is to be expected. Well the black students/parenst became outraged that students were allowed to wear those shirts which displayed the rebel flag also was the Georgia flag for as while till they bitched enough. They said it was promoting slavery Well how do you promote something that doesnt exist in our country any more? They also claimed it was very traumatizing because their ancestors were slaves...yeah over 100 years ago. they have never in their life met those ancestors who were slaves so how can it be traumatizing. What happened to sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me???? the black students wore FUBU which stood for for us by us....hmmm can we say segregation on their part. We didnt make the shirts they did, they wore them but they want to preach about social eqaulity and so on.
I can not fathom how some people believe that it is okay for the school to tell you what to wear. I can not believe that some people would rather teach their kids to listen to every rule they are ever taught even if the rule is bogus. Rules are meant to be broken. So by teaching your kids to follow rules you have ultimetely taught them that if their teacher ( a figure of authority that is supposedly not to be disobeyed) told them to jump off a bridge that they are to do it without ever questioning or standing up for what they believe in???? Then I feel sorry for you and your blissful ignorance towards freedom.
There need to be limitations to how studenst dress, i agree with that, a 15 year old girl should not be aloowed to dress like a hooker and allowed into school and the same goes for male students they shouldnt come in wearing just shorts and thats it. But I mean if a kid legitamatly spills a drink on himself and has no other shirt to wear then I think if he wears a wife beater for the remainder of the day then that is okay, I mean if he has to leave school to change then it will be unexcusaed and he will miss the class/test and recieve a 0 for the assignment therefore ultimatly effecting his GPA and and so on.
I do not believe a school should have the power to tell you what brand of clothing you can wear either. So the point is the schools need to worry about what they are provided for...EDUCATION.. not fashion. The schools have no business telling me what i can and cannot wear. Thats what a job is for...last time I checked school wasnt a job for student. I never recieved a paycheck every payday...did anyone else???? I received a diploma for my studios efforts but I can not cash that. That is just to show colleges that you have graduated and it is okay for them to take your money.
Funny how the people I pay, with my tax dollars, think they can tell me what to do. I undestand that police are there to enforce laws that is their job a teacher is suppose to teach not preach and a principle is supposed to orchestrate the rules set by the school baord. Somewhere, somehow we as a nation have forgotten that and now we have created a monster within the public school systems.
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I'm sorry but it seems like there is a rule prohibiting such attire. I can understand 2 or 3 times not 15. There was an instance here locally about 10 years ago where a boy didn't want to cut his tail off and the school district said he had to or he would not be able to attend his school. Well the mother went along with the son and he was not allowed back into school, He did home schooling for 5 years and received his diploma that way. Point is which way was the best way for the child? What will be best for your child? To keep getting suspended? What are the other children saying about her, good or bad? Try the school board.
The schools are trying to teach your daughter a very important lesson, SUBMIT to the government authority and CONFORM to thier standards.
I have happen to have a biased view about California, there are all of those crazy people out there and then all of the people that put up with them. And it seems to me that most of the people in charge are crazy.
I will NEVER live in Cal. or a number of other states/cities because I will not submit to thier slanted views of MY freedoms.
I know this does not help you unless this is the last straw and you decide to move, but there are many other beautiful places in this country with wonderfull communities and good economic opportunities besides California that are better (in my opinion) to raise kids.
I feel sorry for the jam you and your daughter are in, it seems like the school is being one-sided and harsh about the whole deal. But again, I believe that they are teaching her and you a very valuable lesson.
While not an opion for many, here in Oklahoma if you home school your kid the school district looses funding for that child, hitting them where is hurts, in the pocketbook.
Good luck and try to not let your daughter get sidetracked with her real education.
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This website shows the dress code for your school district. It says that any clothing that is deemed to be "gang-related" will not be alowed. AND that according to California law, banning these types of clothing is NOT a "free speech" violation. For whatever reason, your school has determined that "Skin" clothing is "gang related" and therefore not allowed.
Maybe that's not what your daughter means when she wears it. And maybe it's not what Skin Industries wants their clothes to represent, but I don't think the Raiders want THEIR logo associated with gangs either. But it IS. And in many schools Raiders and other pro team apparel is also banned.
And having been disciplined for wearing it 15 times, I'd say your daughter HAS been told it's against the rules...
(Just MY 2 cents...)
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Ok i dont care what anyone else thinks. They shouldnt be able to expell your daughter for wearing clothes that they obviously know nothing about. They should have to find out all the facts about the clothing before even attempting to punish her.
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i agree, with alot said, but man, its school, you go and you follow the rules. skin industries has some logos and t-shirts that if i had a daughter would sure as hell not be able to wear in my house much less leave the house, you may not agree, but these shirts have a sexual conotation, which at my high school was against the rules. i agree some rules are stupid, but man its school you should be there to learn, not cause trouble. i think your daughter is part of the problem, energy that could be spent learning is now spent on a t-shirt. you dont like the rules, go to a different school, im 22 and ive been there and seen it, clothes are important to young people, i understand, she can wear them outside school, i believe if you looked at the dress policy im sure it says, clothes that are deemed inapropriate by deans, priciples etc are not to be worn. i believe tghe first time they told your daughter skin was not allowed i think they meant it, maybe you should take a hint, by the 3 rd time she got in trouble i beleive you are just being beligerent and obnoxious. final word, its not your school, so its not your rules, follow them or suffer the conciquences. no flaming intended just my $.02
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Amazing......Don't sweat the small stuff, it is people like who who do not stand up for what is right, no matter how small.......clothing is a small issue, I agree, but if what is going on is wrong, you just can't sit down, shut up, and go along with it.
My daughters response to the nasty woman, was right on the money. How dare she talk to my daughter............ever.
One thing I am teaching my daughter is to stand up for what is right. That will be better than any lesson she will ever learn in school.
First of all, you know nothing about me. You're just trying to blame everyone else for the problems that you created. Secondly, my point is that clothing is a very small issue and the energy you're spending trying to defend it could be better spent on areas in your school that really matter. Like: Racial Discrimination; Gender Discrimination; Inadequate funding of materials; The disadvantaged poor; Inequality; Teen Pregnancy; Abortion; Racial Profiling.
Stand up for what's right. Yes. Absolutely. But choose your battles. Clothing isn't worth the energy that you're spending, and it's certainly not worth the cost of your dauther's education.
The fact that you state that you're daughter's response was "right on the money" speaks volumes. (And it's not good reading.) I stand by what I said.
Student Suspended/Expelled for wearing "SKIN" clothing. 
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