[countymounty]

What do Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Venezuela all have in common? You will need their petroleum jelly when you go to the gas pumps because these oil rich countries are OPEC and help make you take it up the A$$ every time you go to the gas pump.

What else do they have in common? Their all Anti-American! I don’t know about you but I get sick at the gas pumps thinking how I’m helping some fat ******* buy a new Rolls Royce when if it weren’t for us they would still be riding camels.

I have made up my mind the next vehicle I buy will be a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (right now Ford doesn’t make a FFV Mustang) but ford does make several FFV vehicles and so does GM there are over 2 million on the road now.

What is a FFV vehicle it’s one that can run on a Varity of fuels like gas, or ethanol fuel like E10 (E10 is 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline) or E85 (E85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline) E85 is 40-50 cents cheaper per gallon, but in some places with tax incentives it is $1 cheaper per gallon.

Where does ethanol fuel come from? AMERICAN FARMERS, mainly corn, but other crops are also used to make ethanol fuel also.

Who would you rather support, the US economy or the economy of terrorist supporting OPEC countries.

Here is some more info on e85 fuel

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...-ethanol_x.htm

Check out this message board and some of the prices they pay for e85 gas……..

http://www.illinoisgasprices.com/For...age_no=1&FAV=N

Some ford vehicles that a FFV……
http://www.e85fuel.com/information/ford.php

Now the down side of e85 is that you get slightly less MPG with E85.…………..

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Ford2005.shtml


But it is still cheaper the its OPEC counterpart and your would be boosting the US economy………………..

Now I don’t have the data as to the value in “performance” I’m sure there would be slightly slower, but then again its relatively new and the aftermarket could fix that.

What do ya think, would you like to drive a American Mustang with All American fuel?

[merkerguitars]

Too bad ethanol sucks to make, a highly negative energy fuel. If you really want to do the right thing, get a diesel, more support for alternative fuels in that than a FFV. I like how everybody thinks ethanol is the greatest cause its made with corn..........

[countymounty]

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

Too bad ethanol sucks to make,

obviously you don’t know what ethanol is, its GRAIN ALCOHOL, you know ethyl alcohol (ethanol), the same thing they have distilled from grain, potatoes or fruit, since before recorded history, they stuff you drink……………………

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

a highly negative energy fuel.

cleaner burning and permanently renewable, cheaper and made in America……..“highly negative energy” are you from the Middle East?

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

If you really want to do the right thing, get a diesel, more support for alternative fuels in that than a FFV

if diesel is so great why are they making diesel out of soy beans, also known as soy biodiesel?

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

I like how everybody thinks ethanol is the greatest cause its made with corn..........

Actually it can be made from corn, sugarcane, sorghum, wheat, barley, and potatoes. Your total lack of knowledge about what you are commenting on is a great example of why other countries believe Americans are fat, lazy, stupid people. Did you also know that Brazil is the world leading producer of ethanol as a fuel source, we are not the first to push towards this……


Here is a little more reading if you want to educate yourself, it also goes into America‘s dependence on foreign oil, why the oil industry is a prime target for terrorist, and did you know that American borrows about $13 billion per week to finance oil consumption, talk about the towering U.S. deficit. ……………….


http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/bi...ve-fuels_x.htm


I still don’t have much on the performance value of e85 but its octane rating is 105!

[merkerguitars]

Hey buddy, lets gets some facts straight, yes its a grain alcohol, and its distilled how do you distill, you need lots and lots of heat to do it. Its highly negative as in it takes more energy to make than you get out of it. Also ethanol also puts out roughly half the BTU's of gasoline. All pump diesel out there is still made with petroleum. The reason why I said diesel vehicles have better support for alternative fuels is cause you dont' need to convert anything, people think that with ethanol we can just switch instantly, nope, you need bigger fuel injectors, change your timing, make sure you fuel lines are correct. With biodiesel (what I'm working on right now as a side project for my dads business) I found a way to make it out of waste butter/milk, plus with using excess boiler heat, the only real costs are the supplies to make it, which is under 50 cents a gallon. And why do you hate biodiesel? Its cleaner burning, easy to run, and makes an engine last even longer.

How do I know this, my grandpa has made ethanol and so has my dad in the past.

[countymounty]

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

Hey buddy, lets gets some facts straight,

Oh I wish you could!

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

yes its a grain alcohol, and its distilled how do you distill, you need lots and lots of heat to do it. Its highly negative as in it takes more energy to make than you get out of it.

All alcohol is distilled, have the beer manufactures went belly up from this process? Go to your local Wal-Mart and pick up a gallon of distilled water for 52 cents, better hurry before they go belly up from the high cost of distilling!

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

Also ethanol also puts out roughly half the BTU's of gasoline.

that’s true hence the fewer MPG but since its octane rating is 105 it can produce more HP at top end, you might fill up more often but your still paying less then with the additional fill ups.

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

All pump diesel out there is still made with petroleum.

Wrong! just like same stations are selling e85 some are already selling bio diesel.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0806/p03s02-usgn.html

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

The reason why I said diesel vehicles have better support for alternative fuels is cause you dont' need to convert anything, people think that with ethanol we can just switch instantly, nope, you need bigger fuel injectors, change your timing, make sure you fuel lines are correct.

This statement is self-contradicting, FFV come that way from the factory, its already done and there are over 2 million FFV already on the road. Do you think its cheaper for ford to make the minor modification to its vehicles to run e85 or shut down the production of the modular engines to produce diesel engines? Ford already makes diesels engines for a very small percentage of there vehicles, how is this going to help the masses who’s vehicles are gas powered?

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

With biodiesel (what I'm working on right now as a side project for my dads business) I found a way to make it out of waste butter/milk, plus with using excess boiler heat,

Your using a boiler? Oh GOD don’t they use them for to produce heat for the distillation process, My GOD You Will GO BANKRUPT!!!!!

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

the only real costs are the supplies to make it, which is under 50 cents a gallon.

there is a whole lot more fry grease laying around then buttermilk waste, plus a lot of fry grease is made from Corn, I like how everybody thinks fry grease is the greatest cause its made with corn..........

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

And why do you hate biodiesel?

I never said I hated biodiesel, by definition IT IS A FFV! I said if diesel was so great they wouldn’t need biodiesel, and ever car would be diesel powered.

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

How do I know this, my grandpa has made ethanol and so has my dad in the past.

So you, your grandpa and your dad, have more knowledge then the combined efforts of numerous countries top scientist in this field. Sounds like your trying to reinvent the wheel (or in this case alternative fuel) Decides you will need all those farmers to produce the feed for the trillions of cows you will need to make enough buttermilk to supply the world with biodiesel.!

Here another link…………

http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/e85/part1.shtml

[kscoyote]

Originally Posted by countymounty

What do Algeria, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and Venezuela all have in common? You will need their petroleum jelly when you go to the gas pumps because these oil rich countries are OPEC and help make you take it up the A$$ every time you go to the gas pump.

What else do they have in common? Their all Anti-American! I don’t know about you but I get sick at the gas pumps thinking how I’m helping some fat ******* buy a new Rolls Royce when if it weren’t for us they would still be riding camels.

I have made up my mind the next vehicle I buy will be a Flexible Fuel Vehicle (right now Ford doesn’t make a FFV Mustang) but ford does make several FFV vehicles and so does GM there are over 2 million on the road now.

What is a FFV vehicle it’s one that can run on a Varity of fuels like gas, or ethanol fuel like E10 (E10 is 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline) or E85 (E85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline) E85 is 40-50 cents cheaper per gallon, but in some places with tax incentives it is $1 cheaper per gallon.

Where does ethanol fuel come from? AMERICAN FARMERS, mainly corn, but other crops are also used to make ethanol fuel also.

Who would you rather support, the US economy or the economy of terrorist supporting OPEC countries.

Here is some more info on e85 fuel

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...-ethanol_x.htm

Check out this message board and some of the prices they pay for e85 gas……..

http://www.illinoisgasprices.com/For...age_no=1&FAV=N

Some ford vehicles that a FFV……
http://www.e85fuel.com/information/ford.php

Now the down side of e85 is that you get slightly less MPG with E85.…………..

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymake/Ford2005.shtml


But it is still cheaper the its OPEC counterpart and your would be boosting the US economy………………..

Now I don’t have the data as to the value in “performance” I’m sure there would be slightly slower, but then again its relatively new and the aftermarket could fix that.

What do ya think, would you like to drive a American Mustang with All American fuel?

We are in agreement, again!!
Less emissions, zero added CO2, and renewable = win, win, win, win situation.

Converting to flex-fuel isn't tough, at all. I did it on my '68, I think it cost $350 back then . ..

BioDiesel makes much better power, though, and that new SuperCharged & Turbocharged Golf Diesel looks pretty cool.

[kscoyote]

Originally Posted by merkerguitars

Hey buddy, lets gets some facts straight, yes its a grain alcohol, and its distilled how do you distill, you need lots and lots of heat to do it. Its highly negative as in it takes more energy to make than you get out of it. Also ethanol also puts out roughly half the BTU's of gasoline. All pump diesel out there is still made with petroleum. The reason why I said diesel vehicles have better support for alternative fuels is cause you dont' need to convert anything, people think that with ethanol we can just switch instantly, nope, you need bigger fuel injectors, change your timing, make sure you fuel lines are correct. With biodiesel (what I'm working on right now as a side project for my dads business) I found a way to make it out of waste butter/milk, plus with using excess boiler heat, the only real costs are the supplies to make it, which is under 50 cents a gallon. And why do you hate biodiesel? Its cleaner burning, easy to run, and makes an engine last even longer.

How do I know this, my grandpa has made ethanol and so has my dad in the past.

Solar tech used to heat houses can easily provide heat.

[Mustang_Racing]

if you really want a car that dosn`t take so much fuel, get a Toyota Prius..it`s a two engine car, two engine`s bolt together (1 electrical engine, and 1 fuel engine) the car does all the decision`s on what engine it would use... and it runs at 0,3 liter per 8 mile, (1 norwegian mil)....

[BlueStreak03]

I saw on Trucks! this weekend where Stacey David showed how to make BioDiesel from used vegetable oil. Honestly I think it's a trend that's going to catch on and last. Think about it, you put an hour or so total work into getting the batch going and it costs about 20 bucks for 40 gallons. I don't see the used vegetable oil being free from restaurants much longer. They'll realize how much they could possibly make from it and cash in. Afterall, making a buck in the restaurant business is incredibly hard.

[kscoyote]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak03

I saw on Trucks! this weekend where Stacey David showed how to make BioDiesel from used vegetable oil. Honestly I think it's a trend that's going to catch on and last. Think about it, you put an hour or so total work into getting the batch going and it costs about 20 bucks for 40 gallons. I don't see the used vegetable oil being free from restaurants much longer. They'll realize how much they could possibly make from it and cash in. Afterall, making a buck in the restaurant business is incredibly hard.

they were charging in ca when I was there . .. .

[theyogawarrior]

Great post and reply post boys, keep em coming. The more people use these other fuels the more gas is freed up for us to go racing with.

[countymounty]

Originally Posted by theyogawarrior

Great post and reply post boys, keep em coming. The more people use these other fuels the more gas is freed up for us to go racing with.

Its all part of my master plan, if 50% of Americans switch over to FFV then OPEC would crap and have to sell gasoline just as cheap or cheaper…..we could close down the American wells and I could cruse in my Mach until OPEC runs it’s wells dry, then we could open up our oil wells and sell it to OPEC for $600 a barrel, because you know they cant’s raise corn in the desert!

[countymounty]

New rumor floating around today is that because of the hurricane several processing plants have to close and gas will go up 50 cents a gallon…….better fill up now just in case……….could you imagine over $3 a gallon for regular?

[BlueStreak03]

heh and who said the midwestern corn farmers were gonna go bankrupt....what comes around goes around right?? Those guys have been getting shafted, especially the smaller ones, for decades.

[kscoyote]

Originally Posted by countymounty

Its all part of my master plan, if 50% of Americans switch over to FFV then OPEC would crap and have to sell gasoline just as cheap or cheaper…..we could close down the American wells and I could cruse in my Mach until OPEC runs it’s wells dry, then we could open up our oil wells and sell it to OPEC for $600 a barrel, because you know they cant’s raise corn in the desert!

There are a number of folks (and with the added weight of a conservative houston oil financier) who think that the Sauds have already reached peak production, based on technology purchases over the past few years.

They are keeping it secret because it would push EVERYONE to renewable energy, and bankrupt the regeime. Without oil to back them up, protection would cease, and their subjects would probably destroy the House.

It's one of the reasons several folks from the Reagan administration are advocating plug-in hybrids.

I'll see if the information is published yet, if I get a chance.