[countymounty]

Check it out......

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?&v...889183&cache=1

[nghtrnnr]

i have to admit...i'm a lil blown away...thats not a bad deal...0-60 in under 4 secs...250 mile range till recharge...never have to buy gas again...not a bad deal at all for 100000...thats a serious consideration...cause the no gas factor alone makes it worth it...drive it ..recharge over night...drive again...and gorgeous lookin...i think i'll look in to it

[shartley]

That is pretty cool, but still has some major downsides IMHO.

The first of course is the pride.

The next is that we don’t know how much power it takes to recharge it. Anyone who has watched their electric meter spin when using their stove, dryer, or other things knows that electricity is not free nor cheap if you use any amount of it.

The next is that 0 emissions vehicles that use electricity produced by ways that DO create emissions is not 0 emissions after all… or at least not 0 pollution.

And the final one is that you are still stuck at a driving range and then recharge cycle. This means that you can NOT use it like any other vehicle on the road. I put in a full tank of gas in my Mustang and can drive farther than this electric car can but then have NO recharge time. I simply pull into any gas station and fill it up again. If they used battery banks that COULD be simply swapped out at an “exchange center” it would solve that problem (similar to what we do with BBQ Gas Tanks). But then you have to trust that the swapped battery bank is good or in good repair. And this would be something that a technician would have to do for you.

I applaud their efforts and do think it is a very viable solution for some and sets the pace for other electric car developers though. I just don’t think even if I had the money I would buy one for the reasons I listed. Cool toy though.

[Monkey Boy]

Not a bad car, pretty advanced for an electric vehicle. Still costs too much, though, and you still have to recharge it. Electric cars aren't the wave of the future, hybrid electrics are. Overall, this video was just a chance for some global warming nut cases to preach their agenda.

[countymounty]

More glass half full from shartley……….

The problem is you would have to have a serious modified cobra to compete against this car, and the European sports cars that are in its class are three times as much cost wise………..

Sure you wouldn’t want to take the car on a trip across the country but it is a brand new car are you telling me if it was the price of lets say 30k anyone would pass it up?

Sure there are limitations but he this is really cool……too bad its not a mustang……

[shartley]

Originally Posted by countymounty

More glass half full from shartley……….

The problem is you would have to have a serious modified cobra to compete against this car, and the European sports cars that are in its class are three times as much cost wise………..

Sure you wouldn’t want to take the car on a trip across the country but it is a brand new car are you telling me if it was the price of lets say 30k anyone would pass it up?

Sure there are limitations but he this is really cool……too bad its not a mustang……

LOL I was simply trying to be honest. It does have its merits, but for now I just feel it is not ready.

If it were 30k would I get it? Probably not. But I would say it would be quite a bit under priced at that. I think a good $45-$60K would be reasonable. A full 100K if they could take care of the issues I mentioned.

I will however admit that most folks would not drive ANY high end car across the country anyways. They are toys to take out for a spin, but not what we would call daily drivers or even trip makers. I like exotics for what they are though, and this is an exotic. But given the choice I would rather drive a mid level muscle car than a full blown exotic. It is about style and preference. But I would say if I were to choose an exotic it would be either the F1 or the S7.

But you are correct, it is really cool. I never denied that.

[tripleblack]

I checked out this car at their website. The $100,000 does NOT include some other fees...

1. $7000 (mandatory) if you don't live in one of the 5 cities (I don't) where they have service facilities. The theory here is that this is "prepaying" them to airfreight a mechanic to your garage to do your warranty service.

2. $4000 (recommended) to install the 220 recharging station in your garage. If your existing electrical system won't sustain such a large drain, this does not include upgrades (one electrician I talked to said that he would recommend a seperate sub-box and ground-fault sensor for safety reasons). I believe they void your warranty if you don't use their charging equipment (and their installation).

3. Their estimate of the cost per mile just doesn't jibe up with my computations, which come out to be almost 3 times as much - putting it on a par with a gas engine car.

4. They mention that they are "looking" at setting up a recycling scenario for the exhausted battery packs (which they say will last 100,000 miles). My electrician friend promptly asked: "How many deep cycle recharges will that battery pack handle? With a 250 mile maximum range, I bet they're asuming you totally exhaust the pack and then totally recharge it every time. If you do what normal folks do, and charge it before it reaches zero, you won't get the same efficiency and number of recharges before it goes belly up and you have about a 50 mile range." He pretty much lost me then when he wandered off into battery "memory" and what electricity will cost once you go above the "ceiling" most residential contracts call for...

5. 3.5 hours recharge time on a 220 volt dedicated charger is their optimum situation. If you get caught out with a dead battery, your 110 charger takes 33.5 hours - I guess you might have to sleep in the car or get a hotel room.

GM is suppossed to be looking at a similar car (perhaps based on the Skye and Solstice platform) that will cost closer to $40,000, with slightly less performance and similar range and recharge specs.

I think I'll wait.

[countymounty]

I figure if they have 100k to spend the extra 11k is a drop in the bucket…..

Battery memory is a concern we used to have it all the time with our portable police radios, they fixed these problem 4 years ago, hopefully the car company is using the same new technology……

Again it a new “car company” putting everything together, I sure wouldn’t buy one but that is because of other reasons like my kids may want to go to collage some day………

Originally Posted by tripleblack

I checked out this car at their website. The $100,000 does NOT include some other fees...

1. $7000 (mandatory) if you don't live in one of the 5 cities (I don't) where they have service facilities. The theory here is that this is "prepaying" them to airfreight a mechanic to your garage to do your warranty service.

2. $4000 (recommended) to install the 220 recharging station in your garage. If your existing electrical system won't sustain such a large drain, this does not include upgrades (one electrician I talked to said that he would recommend a seperate sub-box and ground-fault sensor for safety reasons). I believe they void your warranty if you don't use their charging equipment (and their installation).

3. Their estimate of the cost per mile just doesn't jibe up with my computations, which come out to be almost 3 times as much - putting it on a par with a gas engine car.

4. They mention that they are "looking" at setting up a recycling scenario for the exhausted battery packs (which they say will last 100,000 miles). My electrician friend promptly asked: "How many deep cycle recharges will that battery pack handle? With a 250 mile maximum range, I bet they're asuming you totally exhaust the pack and then totally recharge it every time. If you do what normal folks do, and charge it before it reaches zero, you won't get the same efficiency and number of recharges before it goes belly up and you have about a 50 mile range." He pretty much lost me then when he wandered off into battery "memory" and what electricity will cost once you go above the "ceiling" most residential contracts call for...

5. 3.5 hours recharge time on a 220 volt dedicated charger is their optimum situation. If you get caught out with a dead battery, your 110 charger takes 33.5 hours - I guess you might have to sleep in the car or get a hotel room.

GM is suppossed to be looking at a similar car (perhaps based on the Skye and Solstice platform) that will cost closer to $40,000, with slightly less performance and similar range and recharge specs.

I think I'll wait.