TIME: Do you think you benefited by a different, older version of affirmative action, an old-boy's network, when you got into college and went into business?
Bush: I don't know. Maybe. And yes, racism exists. I'm not going to be making policy based on guilt. The fundamental question in certain neighborhoods is, how do we break a sense that the system isn't meant for me? You need mentoring programs. Part of it has to do with there isn't the entrepreneurial system being passed from one generation to the next.
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He later called back the reporter to confirm he was a Legacy Admission.
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How is that different from any afirmative action program?
Good Question.
The difference is one is for Wealthy folks, and the other is for poor folks, who are discriminated against.
But then you can get admitted with poor grades if you are an athlete, musician, or artist.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
An interesting point brought up at the end of the first link is: If not for his "family" influence, what would he be doing now? He certainly wouldn't be President!
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Monkey Boy, do you actually expect the US to put Iraq or any country on a democtratif footing without winning the population's hearts and minds? You've got to be kidding right? Think about it...or age and mature another 20 years and then think about it...then you'll see that I'm right.
You think our goal was just to remove Saddam from power? If that were true, then we would have pulled out years ago, yea? What you smokin or drinkin there friend?
The goal was to first remove Saddam, then put the country on a democratic secular capitalistic footing...but that cannot be done UNLESS we win hearts, and minds. Bush failed in all goals except the removal of Saddam...of which was the easiest thing to do...the hardest part is the rebuilding of the country, putting it on a self sufficient footing. Bush failed at that.
Are you simplistic enough to think that when we all watched the laser guided bombs hitting targets in the first stage of the war on CNN that that was us winning? No, that was just the beginning, and pitifully not enough.
Once Nazi Germany was defeated, even the Germans acquisted to the Americans, and welcomed us into Berlin, as did the Japanese in Tokyo....we won their hearts and minds...this came out of growing tired of getting their a$$'s kcked and coming to the realization that life after defeat would be better...then came America's support with the Marshall plan, the rebuilding of Germany with US money, the rebuilding of Japan....now these were our last real successes...since then America has had NONE.
95MGTS, America lost the most important battle in Iraq....the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people....THAT is the very most important battle that we are YET to win...and we probably will never win it.
America has won the military battle, but so far we have lost the war....it's about the hearts and minds, not blowing up empty "ammunition depots" with lazer guided hot $hit weaponry.
Why didn't you say hearts and minds in the first place. That is different than saying we're losing. The war was won, the occupation has been much more difficult than expected. Winning the hearts and mind of all Iraqi's isn't going to happen, didn't happen in WWII, WWI, any war with the enemy. That's a mistake on our part if the White House on down believes we can. There are many areas in Iraq that are relatively peaceful though. My step-brother spent 18 months in a city north Bagdad with little issues. Initially there were some small skirmishes but overall, very peaceful. The media will only report the bad, not the good. When our soldiers die, it just isn't good and that will get noticed.
The MEK were the terrorists in Iraq, funded by Hussein to harrass Iran.
The only Al Quaeda presence was in the Kurdish North covered by the no-fly zone. Bush had several opportunities to take Al Quaeda out, but didn't.
I didn't say anything about Al Quadeda and it's not the point. There have been terrorists in Iraq, before the war.......an after. Regardless, not the reason we went to war but has been made an issue since.
There's no need for anyone to start attacking any other person's personality by comments such as 'what you smokin or drinkin', 'mature another 20 years and you will see that I'm right'. Comments of that nature are derogatory, inflammatory and will not be tolerated.
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Monkey Boy, do you actually expect the US to put Iraq or any country on a democtratif footing without winning the population's hearts and minds? You've got to be kidding right? Think about it...or age and mature another 20 years and then think about it...then you'll see that I'm right.
So by your age and maturity you know more than monkeyboy? Your comparison of this war to Vietnam without any explanation or reasoning seems to demonstrate to me that your age and maturity level hasn't quite served you well. Or your constant chirping about us losing the war. Oh yeah, you mean us losing the heart and minds of an occupied nation. Is that the point? Hearts and mind and you know for sure that none have been won? There are peaceful cities with US troops. I wonder why?
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You think our goal was just to remove Saddam from power? If that were true, then we would have pulled out years ago, yea? What you smokin or drinkin there friend?
The goal was to first remove Saddam, then put the country on a democratic secular capitalistic footing...but that cannot be done UNLESS we win hearts, and minds. Bush failed in all goals except the removal of Saddam...of which was the easiest thing to do...the hardest part is the rebuilding of the country, putting it on a self sufficient footing. Bush failed at that.
As far as I know, failure is when all is said and done. The occupation isn't over, the process isn't complete, thus failure is not the case. Perhaps if you keep repeating it, your wish of failure will come true.
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Are you simplistic enough to think that when we all watched the laser guided bombs hitting targets in the first stage of the war on CNN that that was us winning? No, that was just the beginning, and pitifully not enough.
Are simplistic enough to believe that dropping bombs was the only phase of the war? The initial war was a success. A defeat for Sadam, his military. The land, air and sea phase were very well executed (overall, but always shortfalls within the system when being executed). Our forces moved quick and rapidly, taking a country in a very short time period. They did well, period. Unfortunetly for our folks in country, the process of making the country a democratic nation is taking time and a toll. I only wish we could all leave and never go back. I've spent time in the desert but had the luxury of being a military pilot, sleeping either on the carrier or at a base, with an a/c room and hot food. I've been on an IA list for a year, to go and play Army in the sand. I wish for it all to be over, leave the place and never go back. But that's not reality. What is reality is our guys/gals are having to spend 6-12-18 months in the desert or the mountains of Afghanistan doing what they do while ridiculous political battle of us "losing" or staying for 10 years rages on. I really don't believe the idea of us "losing" sits well or should sit well for our military guys. They've sacrificed to much to have secular politicians, the people that buy into it, raise the failure flag. Saying the President failed means they failed. Afterall, they are carrying out his orders. Not fair to them when losing isn't the case.
lovcom, you say we won the hearts and minds of the Germans and Japs? lol We bombed them into the dirt and totally defeated their armies, we reduced their citys to rubble, they were starving! You really need to take a course in history, Maybe you can go to Harvard or Yale with your connections.lol.
No one ever said Saddam had nukes, did he want them, hell yes he did!(I want one!)
And the $64,000 question that no leftie can answer is, if Bush knew that there were no WMD's (God I hate that stupid civilian phrase) Why were there teams looking for and trying to find these weapons if he knew there were none and was going to be caught in a lie?? Why did the Clinton Admin. say and push for the same thing in 97'&98'??
We are not bogged down in Iraq, the only ones bogged down are the Islamo fascist pigs who are dying for their pig god.
As 95MGTS said, name a battle large or small that we lost.
You and KS can make all the inane comments you want but remember one thing , these Fascist will kill you no matter your hatred for Bush or anyone else, you are an American and an Infedel, You and KS are referred to as "useful idiots" by the enimies of this country.
Now I need to get back to work because my taxes are fixing to go thru the f-ing roof!
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lovcom, you say we won the hearts and minds of the Germans and Japs? lol We bombed them into the dirt and totally defeated their armies, we reduced their citys to rubble, they were starving! You really need to take a course in history, Maybe you can go to Harvard or Yale with your connections.lol.
Exactly. We didn't win hearts and minds, we kicked the ever loving **** out of them. They had no choice but to allow us to come in and take over. The only other option was death (though I'm sure many a Japanese were willing to die in the name of the Emperor).
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I didn't say anything about Al Quadeda and it's not the point. There have been terrorists in Iraq, before the war.......an after. Regardless, not the reason we went to war but has been made an issue since.
Well, the MEK is still in Iraq.
Do you REALLY think we're going to eliminate a tactic?
That we're going to start bombing Elohim City, Oklahoma, because the white supremacist terrorists are located there.
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Why were there teams looking for and trying to find these weapons if he knew there were none and was going to be caught in a lie?? Why did the Clinton Admin. say and push for the same thing in 97'&98'??
