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Old 11-13-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Okay so along with the whole mustang, shelby love thing I have happening... I also adore Australian Muscle cars.

My prime favourite being a 1971 Xy Ford Falcon GTHO Phase 3.
I was reading the cars section of the newspaper, and they were doing prices on these things. This car (the Falcon GTHO ph 3) took the cake AND the icing.

At 250 thousand - 350 thousand dollars, this is the priciest car that has increased in value and popularity over the years. I'm not including the expensive sports cars or upper class prestige here.

I was crushed to see that the price had upmarketed so much in so few years. When it first came out here, it was worth $5300, and Just 5 years ago, it ranged from worth of 70k- 100k. How can i get one now lol.

Close behind in favourites are the (1978) Ford Falcon XC Cobra, (1970) Holden Monaro HG 350, (1968) Holden Monaro HK GTS 327, (1971) Holden Torana XU-1, (1977) Holden Torana A9X, (1971) Valiant Charger E38 and the (1972) Valiant Charger E49.

Price ranges-
XC Cobra-
1979: $9405
5 yrs ago: $34000
today: $40000- 60000

Monaro HG-
1970: $3995
5 yrs ago: $21000
today:$70000-$90000

Monaro HK-
1968: $3700
5 yrs ago: $20000- 30000
today: $75000 - $100000

Torana XU-1-
1971: $3455
5 yrs ago: $16000
today:$70000-$100000

Torana A9X-
1977: $9500
5 yrs ago: $35000- $50000
today: $80000- 150000

Charger E38-
1971: $3975
5 yrs ago: $21000
today: $70000- $100000

Charger E49-
1972: $4300
5 yrs ago: $30000- $50000
today: $80000- $150000

Why oh why do the prices on these things have to be so high up, by the time I'll be able to drive they'll be worth alot more than that. =(
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Poor Babii - Your parents couldnt hook you up or cosign a loan for you????
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I can understand in some ways . Would love to have a 03 / 04 cobra . It stinks being a poor workin guy .
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Poor Babii - Your parents couldnt hook you up or cosign a loan for you????
they could, but i cant drive anything thats been 'performance enhanced' or is a V8 until I'm on my green p's . =( a few more years away yet. I asked dad if he could get me a torana (I am an on the fence holden/ford girl, the males in my family are holden guys) and dad was like I wonder what I did to those ones I had.. I go 'which ones' and he started naming all these toranas...'hmm i think i wrote 2 of them off, stripped one for parts and dumped the shell....'.. yada yada yada. but the point of this story is that Dad might do one up for my 18TH birthday. (woohooo only 3 years )
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they could, but i cant drive anything thats been 'performance enhanced' or is a V8 until I'm on my green p's . =( a few more years away yet. I asked dad if he could get me a torana (I am an on the fence holden/ford girl, the males in my family are holden guys) and dad was like I wonder what I did to those ones I had.. I go 'which ones' and he started naming all these toranas...'hmm i think i wrote 2 of them off, stripped one for parts and dumped the shell....'.. yada yada yada. but the point of this story is that Dad might do one up for my 18TH birthday. (woohooo only 3 years )
Whats a Torana?
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I think its a GM (Holden) Torana - compact rear wheel drive car that is often used to race with in Australia (the ones I've seen are squared off cars with two big front headlights - front view is sort of like the squared off Mavericks).

I think they came with a small block chevy engine.

Babii, do they still make these?
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I'm not sure, I dont think so because to my knowledge they were phased out by the 80s but I'll have to ask my dad...

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http://www.dragtimes.com/images/8138...den-Torana.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/canberra/stori...r_m1278731.jpg
http://members.optushome.com.au/iroc-z/oz/lx_03.jpg
http://www.uniquecarsandparts.com.au..._torana_hb.jpg
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/wray...orana_lh_2.jpg
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/wray.../ScottsLH3.jpg

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The Holden Torana was a car produced by General Motors Holden (GMH), the Australian subsidiary of General Motors. The name comes from an Aboriginal word meaning 'to fly'. It had its origins in the British Vauxhall Vivas of the mid 1960s. The first Torana (HB) appeared in Australia in 1967 and the final model was phased out by 1980.

The first Torana model was a facelifted Vauxhall Viva and featured a two-door body, 12 inch (305 mm) wheels and a lethargic 1.1 L four-cylinder engine mated to a four-speed gearbox.

In 1968, the '69 Torana' was released, sometimes called the HB Series II. The model line up included a 4-door Sedan. The car was designed and built entirely in Australia.

LC–LJ–TA Torana
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Production: 1969–1972

Engine:
1.2, 1.6 L I4
138, 161, 186 in³ I6

The next generation of Toranas (LC) appeared in 1969 and were available with either a four or six cylinder engine. The inline six had a capacity of 138 in³ (2250 cc). The six-cylinder cars had a slightly longer nose to accommodate the larger engine, and offered a choice of three and four-speed manual gearbox or a three-speed Trimatic automatic transmission. The Torana was Wheels magazine's Car of the Year for 1969.
Body styles were either two or four doors, and were offered in S or SL trim. Bench or bucket front seats were also an option, along with disc front brakes. A more-powerful 161 in³ (2600 cc) engine was made available soon after the model's release in the more upmarket SL and sporting two-door GTR. In 1969 the first genuine performance Torana, the XU-1, was released for an assault on the Bathurst 500 motor race. It added a 186 in³ (3 L) six cylinder engine fitted with three Stromberg carburettors, headers, a performance camshaft and a four-speed gearbox. This car featured a rear spoiler, racing stripes, guard flutes, wider steel rims, full instrumentation and front disc brakes as standard.
At this time GMH also experimented with a true sports car, the GTR-X, which featured the 186 engine and numerous components borrowed from the Torana, but in a low-slung two-door fibreglass body. Only a couple of examples were produced for evaluation, and the project was subsequently shelved.
LJ
Production: 1972–1974

Engine:
1.2, 1.3, 1.6 L I4
138, 173, 202 in³ I6

In 1972, the LJ Torana was introduced to bring the Torana range into line with the larger HQ Holden series. Many components were shared, and essentially this model was a facelifted LC, with the major changes limited to the choice of engines. While the base level 2250 remained, the 2600 was replaced by a 2850cc (the base engine in the larger HQ Holden sedan) and an optional 3300cc engine. Gearbox choices remained the same across the range. The 3300 engine was also fitted to the LJ XU-1 Torana, again with three carburettors.
In 1974 the LJ was replaced by the larger LH Torana (Ford Cortina sized) series. To fill in time before the March 1975 release of the Holden Gemini T-Car, the short wheelbase 4-cylinder (1.2L, 1.8L) LJ models were facelifted into the stopgap Torana TA. This car was sold, in both two and four door forms, alongside the larger LH Torana until the Gemini was announced.
[edit] LH–UC Torana
LH
Production: 1974–1976

Engine:
1.9 L I4
2.85, 3.3 L I6
4.2, 5.0 L V8

Early 1974 saw the first completely new Torana body with the arrival of the larger LH, which deleted the two-door option. Despite the larger external size, the car was relatively cramped by mid-1970s standards. It resembled other GM products of its generation, notably the Opel Ascona.
Trim levels were S and SL for the sedan, available in virtually all configurations: 1•9 (from Opel), 2•85, 3•3, and 4•2 L engines. The SL/R was available with the 3.3 L six cylinder engine with an optional 4.2 L V8 or the 5.0 L V8 also called the SL/R 5000. A further option for the SL/R 5000 was the L34, only 263 built, with a unique engine and other improvements to improve durability. This model raced in Australian touring car racing until superseded by the A9X option. A wagon Torana was considered, and while apparently there was a prototype built, it never reached production.
LX
Production: 1976–1978

Engine:
1.9 L I4
2.85, 3.3 L I6
4.2, 5.0 L V8

The facelifted LX arrived in 1976, primarily to embody engine modifications to meet recently-introduced emission regulations. Engines were again offered in four, six and eight-cylinder configurations, and a two-door body re-appeared as the Hatchback—in modern terms a liftback with a sloping rear end—in SL (3•3 L six) or SS trim (all options: 3•3, 4•2 and 5•0). The 1,892 cc Opel unit was not offered on the Torana liftbacks, though it was made available with the Holden Sunbird, which was spun off from the main Torana range as the four-cylinder variant in 1976. From this point, Holden could no longer claim that the Torana was the only car in Australia with the choice of a four-, six- or eight-cylinder engine.
The first attempt by Holden to add a handling package to its family sedans saw the introduction of radial-tuned suspension to the LX range.
For 1976, the LX Torana Plus 4 sedan was offered. This had body-coloured bumpers and black decals. While it had sporting pretensions, it was powered by the four-cylinder unit.
The LH and LX series also saw the development of limited-number high-performance vehicles aimed at the annual Bathurst 1000 race. These included the L34 four-door (from September 1974 through the 1975 model year) and A9X hatchback (1977) Toranas that featured high-performance 5 L V8s, special gearboxes, suspension modifications, rear disc brakes and larger diameter wheels.
UC
Production: 1978–1980
Engine:
2.85, 3.3 L I6

The introduction of the UC Torana in 1978 saw the demise of the V8 engines. The greatly rationalized choices were now the 2•85 L six for the S and SL sedans, or the 3•3 L inline six for the SL sedan and hatch (automatic only).
There were at one point design ideas of a 5-door hatchback version of the UC, which had a similar side profile to the Rover SD1 and rode an extended wheelbase, although they never got past the clay modelling stage.
There was also a UC SL/T hatch turbo model built. Only 3 cars were made, they were basically a 3.3litre engine and 4 speed manual with a small NGM Turbocharger and SU carburettor fitted.
But by now the Torana was too similar in size to the more modern Holden Commodore, and it was soon dropped from the Holden range in 1979. Sunbirds continued through 1980 with the 1•9 L Starfire (based on the 2•85 L six) replacing the Opel unit. For a while at least, there was talk of further extending the Torana/Sunbird's production life beyond 1980, with a facelifted 'UD' model, although it never eventuated.
It was replaced by the 1982 Camira, Holden's version of GM's front wheel drive 'J-Car' world car, though for two years, the Commodore Four with the 1•9 L Starfire unit occupied this segment.
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Yep, I've seen a few of the V8 models from the 70's with the 5.0 motors drag racing. That BigPond pic looks familiar.

I suspect he plans one of the 4 banger versions for you.

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Babii C, here's a look at the car my father-in-law just picked up last week. It was delivered Monday night while he was out of town and I got to see it before he did. I called him, started it up and let him hear the engine revving. If you like big displacement you'd love this 1968 Torino GT. It's one of just eleven built with its color, options and accessories. It came with a Marti report and the original factory build sheet.
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Yep, I've seen a few of the V8 models from the 70's with the 5.0 motors drag racing. That BigPond pic looks familiar.

I suspect he plans one of the 4 banger versions for you.

Sorry.
I wouldn't know... Dad and My uncle Julian were drag racers in their youth.. used to take their done up cars down to Eastern Creek (the big raceway in sydney area).. My uncle ran (from memory) a 9 or 10s 1/4 mile.. and at another time he wasnt allowed to race and it had to be taken through tech because they thought it was too fast and light.

The boys in my family liek their toys, and went through plenty of drag cars in their time.. now dad just cant be bothered.. but I 'll get him to do me one lol...
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MCPG thats awesome .. put a nice big smile on my face
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OK, Babii, you need to keep this message from being seen by your Dad, 'cause it includes tons of top secret inside Dad data!

If you want your Dad to build you a car, you will get far and away the best results if YOU suggest you want to build it WITH him - as a daughter/dad project. For this ploy to work, though, you must be SINCERE and willing to put your own free time into it.

When your Dad looks into your eyes and you can honestly return that questioning gaze, things start to happen in the parental brain.

Before you know it, the original cruddy little 4 banger plan is history. Something much better, worthy of the once-in-a-lifetime project, jumps on the table.

Every priority gets bumped down a notch, and genuine effort becomes available.

Play your cards right, and be there for the old man, and who knows what sort of car starts to take shape there in the garage?

Shhhhh. Keep this quiet. Info like this is worth more than gold or diamonds!

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I wouldn't know... Dad and My uncle Julian were drag racers in their youth.. used to take their done up cars down to Eastern Creek (the big raceway in sydney area).. My uncle ran (from memory) a 9 or 10s 1/4 mile.. and at another time he wasnt allowed to race and it had to be taken through tech because they thought it was too fast and light.

The boys in my family liek their toys, and went through plenty of drag cars in their time.. now dad just cant be bothered.. but I 'll get him to do me one lol...
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