I think Wondi has a point though... If they don't do more than pretty paint and interior, there will not be much demand for future models. They were kind of forced into the TERMINATORS since they had class actions going against them for the COBRAS not living up to the promise... They really went all out, and made something that is truly desirable. Some would argue, the best mustang to date in fact. And from what I saw they had no trouble selling them.
If they truly set this model apart, people would be chomping at the bit for the next incarnation of them. Think of how many of us would like a next gen COBRA right now... and then look at the fact that as far as I know, we will be waiting a long long time.
Ford needs to quit telling us what we want. We want something different. The first gen Taurus was an instant hit because it was different. It was not a stale knock off of a Camry. It was the number one selling car in america for about 3 years. It was edgy in its day, and people loved it. The COBRA became a huge hit because it was truly BANG FOR THE BUCK, and different from anything else at the time. The GT500 would fit the bill except for the fact that you need to be Bill Gates to own one because of the ridiculously insanely high dealer markup that puts you into Vette and Viper territory...
Yep, a glazed over GT with Bullitt badging will NOT sell once the Camaro and Challenger hit the streets in 4 months. People are lining up to buy those cars, and Ford thinks they can sell a GT with different badging for a 5-7k dollar markup.... This is why I don't own a new mustang. I would, but the fact is, the car is still way behind in it's time and I hope the next model will be better.
GM actually engineers their powertrains for every one of their vehicles. Not too many cars share the same basic engine. GM could have very easily dropped an LS3 into the new Camaro, seeing as though the LS3 just came out. However, they went ahead and designed and casted yet another new block and set of cylinder heads. As a result, the LSx engine family keeps expanding and GM keeps producing aftermarket parts for them.
Ford on the other hand uses the same 4.6L engine in the mustang, F150's, explorers, expeditions, yada yada yada... The only difference is the intake manifold.
Yep, a glazed over GT with Bullitt badging will NOT sell once the Camaro and Challenger hit the streets in 4 months. People are lining up to buy those cars, and Ford thinks they can sell a GT with different badging for a 5-7k dollar markup.... This is why I don't own a new mustang. I would, but the fact is, the car is still way behind in it's time and I hope the next model will be better.
GM actually engineers their powertrains for every one of their vehicles. Not too many cars share the same basic engine. GM could have very easily dropped an LS3 into the new Camaro, seeing as though the LS3 just came out. However, they went ahead and designed and casted yet another new block and set of cylinder heads. As a result, the LSx engine family keeps expanding and GM keeps producing aftermarket parts for them.
Ford on the other hand uses the same 4.6L engine in the mustang, F150's, explorers, expeditions, yada yada yada... The only difference is the intake manifold.
And the cams in some cases...
The BULLITT of my body style was only about a 3K markup. Considering that Leather will run you about a grand in a new car now, and the mods that you did get with the improved suspension brakes intake and so forth, that was a relative bargain on the 01... I doubt I could have bought a GT and made those upgrades for that... So in that respect I guess it was a lot like adding the PowerPaks that Ford now offers to all GT buyers...
Also, at the time it was the only way to get the torque thrust wheels. The next year you began seeing them as an option for all GTs, but at the time it was something special.
Imagine a Mustang with a 5-7 K markup that netted you a 80 or 100 horse gain... They would sell the crap out of them. I am sure they could do that, so I must ask myself why they don't... People would line up for that.
I really like the look of the Challenger and the new Camaro... Will be interesting to see the finished product. Ford had better get it together or you may see the first time that the Camaro outsells the Mustang ever in history...
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The BULLITT of my body style was only about a 3K markup. Considering that Leather will run you about a grand in a new car now, and the mods that you did get with the improved suspension brakes intake and so forth, that was a relative bargain on the 01... I doubt I could have bought a GT and made those upgrades for that... So in that respect I guess it was a lot like adding the PowerPaks that Ford now offers to all GT buyers...
Also, at the time it was the only way to get the torque thrust wheels. The next year you began seeing them as an option for all GTs, but at the time it was something special.
Imagine a Mustang with a 5-7 K markup that netted you a 80 or 100 horse gain... They would sell the crap out of them. I am sure they could do that, so I must ask myself why they don't... People would line up for that.
I really like the look of the Challenger and the new Camaro... Will be interesting to see the finished product. Ford had better get it together or you may see the first time that the Camaro outsells the Mustang ever in history...
Actually, the cams are the same on the engines. The entire longblock is identical from vehicle to vehicle. The speculation that the cams are different was just that, speculation.
I can see the Camaro easily outselling the Mustang. In fact, I'll go on record and say it will.
Actually, the cams are the same on the engines. The entire longblock is identical from vehicle to vehicle. The speculation that the cams are different was just that, speculation.
I can see the Camaro easily outselling the Mustang. In fact, I'll go on record and say it will.
I guess I was thinking back to pushrod days. It was a great mod to change to Explorer intake and cams I believe...
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I don't think the Crapmaro EVER outsold the Mustang..
I'm sure that can be googled.
I seriously doubt this one will either. GM is too proud of their poopoo and always ask a far sight more than what they are worth.
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I bet out here in Cali. (definitely in Los Angeles and in San Francisco), we see them on the roads. I have seen all the other ones out here on the roads (Saleen, Slaeen Extreme, Roush, Roush 427, Parnelli Jones, Shelby Gt, Hertz GT, and Shelby GT500), so I expect to see the Bullit too.
We see them all in Tampa also.
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I have a BULLITT that lives here on the airport when not with his owner. I have heard the car from time to time. What kind of exhaust setup is it running? it sounds fantastic. Better than mine
GM actually engineers their powertrains for every one of their vehicles. Not too many cars share the same basic engine. GM could have very easily dropped an LS3 into the new Camaro, seeing as though the LS3 just came out. However, they went ahead and designed and casted yet another new block and set of cylinder heads. As a result, the LSx engine family keeps expanding and GM keeps producing aftermarket parts for them.
Ford on the other hand uses the same 4.6L engine in the mustang, F150's, explorers, expeditions, yada yada yada... The only difference is the intake manifold.
The fact that ford uses a modular engine is not necessaraly a bad thing - same internals makes it easier to stock parts and have decent service procedure for after using the same crap for 5+ years on every vehicle. An average Joe can be familiar with ford's complete engine line with as little effort/training as possible. However, Ford will never actually produce something extraordinary or evolutionary.
GM has so many different engine designs that (i am presuming) there are different internals and weak spots etc for each one and can be difficult to keep track of. = more training and service and parts, etc required
So what is better?
- knowing that hypereutectic pistons on MOST of the 4.6 motors tend fail due to ringland location, and to replace them with part #123456 to solve the problem
or
- finding there is a problem with head cracking on a gm engine that was made for 1 year on 1 vehicle then redisigned to correct the problem? (not to mention it actually keeps guys like wondi "busy-ish"
The fact that ford uses a modular engine is not necessaraly a bad thing - same internals makes it easier to stock parts and have decent service procedure for after using the same crap for 5+ years on every vehicle. An average Joe can be familiar with ford's complete engine line with as little effort/training as possible. However, Ford will never actually produce something extraordinary or evolutionary.
GM has so many different engine designs that (i am presuming) there are different internals and weak spots etc for each one and can be difficult to keep track of. = more training and service and parts, etc required
So what is better?
- knowing that hypereutectic pistons on MOST of the 4.6 motors tend fail due to ringland location, and to replace them with part #123456 to solve the problem
or
- finding there is a problem with head cracking on a gm engine that was made for 1 year on 1 vehicle then redisigned to correct the problem? (not to mention it actually keeps guys like wondi "busy-ish"
That's the thing. GM's smallblock engine line is actually one of the best engine lines there are. Not only do they make great power, but they are VERY reliable.
Now, I can't say that for other GM engines (ie. HF V6's and Ecocraps), but I'd take a GM smallblock over anything Ford could even attempt to produce right now.
Looks like another dissapointment from Ford. So much for a 400hp 4 valve as was rumored earlier in the year. Its a Shelby GT with a different appearance package.
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I bet out here in Cali. (definitely in Los Angeles and in San Francisco), we see them on the roads. I have seen all the other ones out here on the roads (Saleen, Slaeen Extreme, Roush, Roush 427, Parnelli Jones, Shelby Gt, Hertz GT, and Shelby GT500), so I expect to see the Bullit too.
There are so many specialty Stangs today you almost wonder what a Mustang is anymore.
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