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Based on what I read that was definitely a bad call on the officers part and he should be handled accordingly. I am a detective with a Sheriffs department, and I can tell you, that if one of our officers killed a domesticated animal that was not aggressive, and did so on a car stop no less, and in front of the family, he would be terminated, and probably prosecuted for felony abuse of an animal. Then county counsel would start trying to work a deal with the family so that we didnt get sued into bankruptcy.
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Last edited by Twokingsracer; 01-09-2003 at 08:58 AM.
Originally posted by Cobra2k1 So a dog walking down the shoulder of a highway is cause to shoot it now? Man this really pisses me off
Believe it or not, sometimes it does. I've had to do it. Occasionally dogs (and other animals) escape from cars after accidents. When that happens we do everything we can to catch them and if possible we work with the local animal shelter. Sometimes there are just feral dogs that hang around near the highway. Some of these animals will run in and out of traffic causing terrible crashes where people are hurt and sometimes killed. As an ABSOLUTE last resort, if we can't catch them, lure them into a car, or drug them somehow, we do have to shoot them to prevent loss of life.
One time a bunch of beef cows escaped from a local Amish farm that bordered Interstate 80. No one could catch them and they kept wandering out onto the highway to lick up the road salt. Finally this caused a major accident and th decision was made to shoot the animals.
Now, that said, this officer didn't say that's what happened. He said the animal was "going after" him. Like I said before, something doesn't seem right. BUT, I haven't seen the video.
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Originally posted by Twokingsracer Based on what I read that was definitely a bad call on the officers part and he should be handled accordingly. I am a detective with a Sheriffs department, and I can tell you, that if one of our officers killed a domesticated animal that was not aggressive, and did so on a car stop no less, and in front of the family, he would be terminated, and probably prosecuted for felony abuse of an animal. Then county counsel would start trying to work a deal with the family so that we didnt get sued into bankruptcy.
Jeff
Yeah, something here doesn't seem quite right. Sounds like the officers started out okay. Felony car stop. Secure the suspects... Then the dog gets loose. Doesn't seem like it needed to be shot. But where you or I might see a playful dog coming to us for attention, some people, (those with little experience with dogs, or a BAD experience), might see a dog about to bite. Wish I could see the video. Has anyone else seen it? I'm not a CNN subscriber.
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Yeah, I wish I could see the video. That would tell a little more. Although I dont think CNN would throw out a headline like that if it was pretty obvious the animal was attacking. There would not be a big story in that. Those guys should have used pepper spray first. It usually works, though sometimes not. I dont have good expericences with dogs, I dont really like them, and they dont like me. Ive been bitten several times on the job, not fun...but I have only had to put down one agressive dog in my career (on a call for something other than an agressive dog, ie. domestic, burglary, etc.), a face full of pepper spray or a smack from a PR24 usually took care of the problem. We all know dogs are territorial, and good dogs will defend their masters and their families. It is a shame when one has to be put down for doing what it has been trained to do or does because it thinks it is protecting its family.
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Just another little piece of the puzzle. I got from another source that the "medium sized brown dog" that CNN describes was actually a pit bull. Now I AM a dog person and I like the more "aggressive" breeds. I've owned Rottweilers and Staffordshire Terriers. So I know that its not JUST the breed that makes for a dangerous dog. BUT you can't ignore the nature of the beast either.
If I saw a "medium sized brown dog" (Golden Retriever), coming at me, not too bad. If I saw a "medium sized brown dog" (Pit Bull), coming at me, LOTS of red flags.
Still... wish I could see the tape.
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HAH!! The internet RULES!! I found the video. The link is below. Now, that being said, and having watched the video a few times... ummmm... I'm STILL not sure I'd have shot the dog. BUT I did notice a few things. This whole incident took place in seconds. There was little time to think and less to react. Somebody mentioned pepper spray or a baton strike. Might have worked, but the officer already had the shotgun and no time to switch. The officer also takes several steps back away from the dog until the dog is almost on him before he shoots. So here's MY 2 cents based on MY experience and MY training. I don't know if I would have shot that dog, but based on what I can see from the video, I can't fault HIM because based on HIS training and HIS experience, HE felt threatened and decided to shoot it. Just a lousy situation all around. I feel bad for the family, bad for the officer, and REALLY bad for the dog.
Okay I just watched the video...sorry, I dont buy it. That dog did not look as though it was attacking. Come on, Ive been there and done that. That was an officer who was scared though. And he over reacted in my opinion. I dont know what "training" he has, or "experience", but I just cant see it. That dog looked as though it was being playful, and heres the deal, cops make split second decisions all the time, decisions that save lives and decisions that get them in trouble. You dont shoot a dog that is just coming towards you, you shoot a dog that is attacking. You dont say "well, it could have attacked me" or "it looked dangerous in my opinion." You yell at the dog if you have too, swat at it, we all know that dogs can be intimidated just like people, hell if I look at my dog the wrong way it cowers, but it is a wimpy thing anyway. If that doesnt work, and the dog is NOT aggresive, you deal with it. Its not gong to hurt you. If it gets aggressive, then you do what you must. If my guess is right those officers just didnt stop that car and rush it with weapons out and then get "surprised" by this dog, if they did that, believing this was a group of armed robbers, then that was a poorly executed stop. You dont approach a car like that if you are unsure what is in it. You call the people out while you use your vehicle as cover, so you will have time and space to react to surprises. Now I dont go around beating up on other cops, like I said, I am one. But a bad call is a bad call.
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Originally posted by keenr The officer also takes several steps back away from the dog until the dog is almost on him before he shoots. So here's MY 2 cents based on MY experience and MY training. I don't know if I would have shot that dog, but based on what I can see from the video, I can't fault HIM because based on HIS training and HIS experience, HE felt threatened and decided to shoot it. Just a lousy situation all around. I feel bad for the family, bad for the officer, and REALLY bad for the dog.
Jeff, I think you missed the point that Keenr was trying to make is about training.
The officer backed up, and then shoots, so he was apparently afraid, as regards transitioning to another weapon there just isn’t time, but it comes down to if he was afraid he was going to be attacked, he has a right to defend himself, and apparently he was afraid...........
The standard of what reasonable force is what a reasonable officer would do in the same situation, with only the information that was present at the time of the incident.
Now if other officers in the same situation would act differently then it come down to based on this officers training and experience, or LACK of training or experience, he acted the way he did….
Would I of done the same thing?….yes…if I was afraid.
From what I can see I don’t think I would be afraid in that situation but there might be some other circumstances I don’t know about……..
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So the reason that the officer didn't punt the dog with the butt of his shot gun was.... No change of weapon required for that.
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Good for nothing cops that decided to kill a poor dog that was not
aggresive toward's the cop.I think the cop should be shot for
killing a helpless animal it just show's how much of a coward he is!
Hearing thing's like that make me dislike the cop's even more than
I already do! If the dogs' owner only had a rubber hose when the
dog was shot!
Messed up isnt it 
