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Old 01-09-2008   #1 (permalink)
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Default 2000 mustang convertable wiper issues

hello can anyone help ? i have no wipers or washers, i changed the gem box , the multi function switch, wiper motor and checked the fuses, i also changed the relay in power box under hood still no wipers? what am i missing? any help thank you bruce
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did you check the fuse power? you could have a break in the main feed wire, the gem not powering up, keep in mind there are 2 other relays
does the washer pump come on?
i dont recall if the gem needs to be flashed.
are all these working
The generic electronic module (GEM)(14B205) is the only multifunction control module on this vehicle.
The GEM controls the following functions:
  • warning chimes and warning lamps
  • one-touch down window
  • windshield washers and wipers
  • battery saver
  • illuminated entry with keyless remote entry
  • interior lighting


Principles of Operation
Multifunction Wipers

The front wiper/washer feature controls the speed of the front windshield wipers and the amount of washer fluid sprayed on the front windshield when requested by the customer. There are five (5) wiper modes: OFF, LOW, HIGH, INTERVAL, and WASH.
Wiper Motor Speeds HIGH and LOW

There are two wiper speeds, HIGH and LOW. When the GEM detects the ignition switch circuits are in the RUN or ACC states, and the GEM detects a high or low speed request from the wiper mode circuits, the GEM will activate the wiper ON and OFF and the wiper speed circuits accordingly.
Wiper Motor Speeds Interval

There are one to seven wiper speed intervals, ranging from 1.5 seconds to 20 seconds in delay time respectively, which can be selected. When the GEM detects the ignition switch circuits are in the RUN or ACC states, and the GEM detects an interval selection of 1 through 7 from the delay/wash circuits, the GEM will activate the wiper ON and OFF and the wiper speed circuits accordingly.
Washers

When the GEM detects the ignition switch circuits are in RUN or ACC states, and the GEM detects a WASH request from the wiper delay/wash circuits, the GEM will activate the washer pump relay circuit for as long as the request is present up to 10 seconds.
Activation of the washer pump when in INTERVAL or OFF is delayed until a wash request is active for a minimum amount of time. In this scenario, the wash request must be present continuously for at least 210 ms. This allows a wash request that is present for less than 210 ms, to provide additional functionality by initiating a single wipe, called "mist wipe". The mist wipe function is a single wipe at low speed without activating the washer motor.
When in LOW or HIGH, any WASH request, regardless of the length of time it is present, will activate the washer pump. When in INTERVAL or OFF mode, upon deactivation of the washer motor, this feature shall provide two wipes at low speed before returning to the INTERVAL or OFF state as defined by the inputs. These additional wipes are provided to clear residual washer fluid from the front windshield.

Inspection and Verification
  1. Verify the customer concern by operating the wiper/washer system.
  1. Visually inspect for obvious signs of mechanical and electrical damage.
Visual Inspection Chart Mechanical Electrical
  • Hoses to windshield washer pump
  • Wiper linkage
  • CJB Fuse 39 (5A)
  • CJB Fuse 26 (30A)
  • Wiring harness
  • Loose or corroded connector(s)
  • Relays
  • Motors
  • Multifunction switch
  • GEM
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yes the chimes work , i have no washer or wiper at all? i took the top off motor (tsb said switch may short if water gets in small holes) anyway i took top cover of moved the arm for park position and the motor runs continuosly? i put the top on and it runs til it parks and quits? ive changed the gem box? and multi switch i have power at fuses and relays but nothing gets to wiper? i also have power at multi switch? thank you for your help? bruce
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the only way to see what is going on is using a scan tool.
to access the pids.
you can do a manual pinpoint test but its time consuming..

you stated the motor was replaced so the tsb would not apply..
are these all ford oem parts?


i can supply you with a pinpoint test for wiper inop.

but it uses scan tool and dvom..
if all has been replaced most likely suspect would be a broken wire or bad ground.
this circuit is is a little more complicated that the typical ford system
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thank you again born2ride
i did get the wire diagrahm you sent and i and going to test the spots you circled i know i have power to 1 lead of each relay but you show they should have 2 hots each right? anyway ill check for that , yes all the parts were oem ford replacements off another must that worked on it so i swapped them to test mine , will advise shortly on the hot leads.
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keep in mind the days of swapping parts is going out quick. especially with modules,multi function switches..
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ok i checked voltages at relays under hood the on off relay is hot 12v on 2 & 5 1&4 show.01v
on the hi/lo relay 85 is 12v and 86 & 7 .01v ?
can you tel from these readings?
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on off relay power on 1 and 5 and 2 is control side
high low power on 86 control side 85.
i would think with gem module DISCONNECTED you could ground control wire C and check operation..

power to motor. pin 2 and the relay all come from same feed.
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whats control wire c?
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the triangle with the C inside by the on off relay
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Thank you born2ride, i think ill have to take it to a dealer? i hate elec issues, maybe they can hook it up on machine an find it ? thanks again bruce
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no problem

sorry we did not get to the bottom of it. you will be supporting me when you take it to the dealer
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do you work at a dealership?
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