Hello there, I just aquired a 59 mustang, Vin= 9R01F112253. The vehicle has been stored for over 20 years. The vehicle was purchased not running, well so to speak, it started, but ran like on 2 cylinders. I profesionaly checked it out and found compression on 2 cylinders. Points condenser coil and wires were all ok. Ofcourse, the respective non compression cylinders, plugs were wet.
Uppon desasembly, found multiple bent pushrods and a broken rockerarm. The heads were inmaculatley clean on the rocker arm valley and the lifter valley was also as clean. all lifters were in excellent condition. My question then would be, if the motor was replaced prior to storage, is it a 289 or a 302?. How can or may I tell the difference. On the technical side, I thing that the re assembly was poor and incorrect. What is the proper reckerarm tightenig procedure? I think it was assebled with lifters empty and there fore uppon innitial fire the dammages was done. i.e lifters filled and the adjustment was too much and bent pushrods and broke the one rockerarm. As it now stands there are 9 to 11 threads expossed on each of the rockerarm studs. I am waiting to get some info for the vehicle, if possible so that I may purchase all new components. Also Can I replace the castiron rockers with maybe rollers with out mod to cyl head? or streelstamped rockers? Any performance upgrade hints will also be appreciated.. thank you much for time and patience, in advanced. Will.
There's no such thing as a '59 Mustang'. They debuted in 1964 as a 1964 1/2 model. I think there are full roller rocker valvetrains for those heads available as a retrofit. 9-11 exposed threads on the rockerarm studs sounds WAY too much. I'm pretty sure that's a 289 cube motor. Mic out the bores and get back to us with numbers to be sure.
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9= 1969
R = San Jose Assembled
01 = Coupe
F = 302 2bbl
The list of possible hop-ups is a mile long. Headers, PerformerRPM intake manifold, 600dfm 4bbl, Lunati 61001 camshaft, and a set of Trickflow heads would be one way to do it.
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66 coupe 5.0/T5, home-brewed power 4 wheel disc setup, 350hp+, looks like it belongs in 1968
There's no such thing as a '59 Mustang'. They debuted in 1964 as a 1964 1/2 model. I think there are full roller rocker valvetrains for those heads available as a retrofit. 9-11 exposed threads on the rockerarm studs sounds WAY too much. I'm pretty sure that's a 289 cube motor. Mic out the bores and get back to us with numbers to be sure.
there is no such thing as a 64 1/2 Mustang. It would be a 1965 Mustang due to it having a 1965 VIN. Even the Henry Ford Museum calls the first production Mustang 1965 car.
As for the 289/302....1968 was the last year for the 289 and the first year of the 302...
there is no such thing as a 64 1/2 Mustang. It would be a 1965 Mustang due to it having a 1965 VIN. Even the Henry Ford Museum calls the first production Mustang 1965 car.
oh contraire, mofraire. Although Ford denies the 64 1/2 claim, the true fans of Mustangs know they exsist. The new 65 models didn't show up on the dealers lots until September back then, with the exception of the Mustang which was available in April of 64. That is why they are call 64 1/2. Any Mustang built between April and September would/could be called 64 1/2. As a side note, Ford took 22,000 orders the first day and sold approx 400,000 Mustangs the first year, including the early models.
oh contraire, mofraire. Although Ford denies the 64 1/2 claim, the true fans of Mustangs know they exsist. The new 65 models didn't show up on the dealers lots until September back then, with the exception of the Mustang which was available in April of 64. That is why they are call 64 1/2. Any Mustang built between April and September would/could be called 64 1/2. As a side note, Ford took 22,000 orders the first day and sold approx 400,000 Mustangs the first year, including the early models.
dogstar, I will give ANYONE $1000.00 if you can show me ONE Mustang with a 1964 VIN. There is an ealy 1965 Mustang with a generator, slightly different body parts, different engines and parts. If you really want to be correct, it would be a 65 1/2 for altornator cars. Obviously though, you know more about the first year of Mustangs than the company that built the car. As for model years, GM had 2007 Yukons in the lots in JANUARY 2006!
dogstar, I will give ANYONE $1000.00 if you can show me ONE Mustang with a 1964 VIN. There is an ealy 1965 Mustang with a generator, slightly different body parts, different engines and parts. If you really want to be correct, it would be a 65 1/2 for altornator cars. Obviously though, you know more about the first year of Mustangs than the company that built the car. As for model years, GM had 2007 Yukons in the lots in JANUARY 2006!
Thanks for the compliment . I suppose next your gonna tell me there's no Santa Clause.
Seriously though, we could debate the whole 64 1/2 thing forever and not get anywhere.
Thanks for the compliment . I suppose next your gonna tell me there's no Santa Clause.
Seriously though, we could debate the whole 64 1/2 thing forever and not get anywhere.
no need to debate it, Ford's museum calls the FIRST Mustang a 1965 Mustang. That would be like trying to convince me that Divinci named the Mona Lisa the Mona Lucy...
Sometimes I think that government fits that old-fashioned definition of a baby: An alimentary canal with an appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other.
- Ronald Reagan
there is no such thing as a 64 1/2 Mustang. It would be a 1965 Mustang due to it having a 1965 VIN. Even the Henry Ford Museum calls the first production Mustang 1965 car.
As for the 289/302....1968 was the last year for the 289 and the first year of the 302...
My first mustang was a 64 1/2 convertible with a 260 V8 , automatic and factory ac. Sorry guys but no FM or stereo. But it was my first car with seatbelts.
Blue with a white vinyl roof and blue vinyl interior with bucket seats and a blue tonneau cover.
A great car.
The 63 1/2 Falcon sprint had a 260 V8 and what they called a fastback. Very quick little car
On March 9, 1964 the first production Mustang rolled off of the assembly line only three short years after Lee Iacocca's vision. In order to keep production costs down, many of the Mustang's components were taken from the Falcon, including most of the drivetrain. The Mustang was advertised as "the car to be designed by you", therefore had a range of interior, exterior and drivetrain options. April 17, 1964 Iacocca's dream was delivered to consumers and at days end surmounted 22,000 Mustangs sold. By the years end Ford had sold 263,434 and 418,812 by its first anniversary.
The 1964 1/2 or early 65 Mustang was available in two models: the coupe and convertible, the availability of the fastback came in 1965. Both 64 1/2 models were available with a 170 cid-101 horsepower-6 cylinder engine, a 260-2V-164 horsepower-V8 engine, a 289-4V-210 horsepower-V8 engine and starting in June, a 4 barrel, 271 horsepower, 289 cid V8 engine. Buyers had a choice of a 3 or 4 speed manual transmissions or an automatic and a variety of rear gear ratios and interior options, some of which included front bucket or a bench seat, rear bench seat, a sports car style steering wheel and a floor mounted shifter.
Adam56 - Looks like we have about the same information for reference. Edsel Ford II claims his first car (at the age of 16) "was a 64 1/2 vert."
History class - The Mustang's secret name was Project 5. The very first car to carry the mustang name was in 1961. It was a two seat, mid-engine car that looks more like a boat than a car to me.
Three teams of designers developed a total of 7 full size clay models over a two week period and were displayed to Ford Execs on Aug 16 of '62. The winning design carried the name of Cougar on the fenders and with the cougar cat in the grill instead of the pony. The showroom Mustang was first seen in January 1964. I wonder if that would make it a late '63 model?
another thread hijacked. jay1 was probsbly scared off and will never return to this forum. looks like he just made a typo. glad he got his answer from 5.0 in a 66 by decoding the vin number for him.
flame on
My first mustang was a 64 1/2 convertible with a 260 V8 , automatic and factory ac. Sorry guys but no FM or stereo. But it was my first car with seatbelts.
Blue with a white vinyl roof and blue vinyl interior with bucket seats and a blue tonneau cover.
A great car.
The 63 1/2 Falcon sprint had a 260 V8 and what they called a fastback. Very quick little car
On March 9, 1964 the first production Mustang rolled off of the assembly line only three short years after Lee Iacocca's vision. In order to keep production costs down, many of the Mustang's components were taken from the Falcon, including most of the drivetrain. The Mustang was advertised as "the car to be designed by you", therefore had a range of interior, exterior and drivetrain options. April 17, 1964 Iacocca's dream was delivered to consumers and at days end surmounted 22,000 Mustangs sold. By the years end Ford had sold 263,434 and 418,812 by its first anniversary.
The 1964 1/2 or early 65 Mustang was available in two models: the coupe and convertible, the availability of the fastback came in 1965. Both 64 1/2 models were available with a 170 cid-101 horsepower-6 cylinder engine, a 260-2V-164 horsepower-V8 engine, a 289-4V-210 horsepower-V8 engine and starting in June, a 4 barrel, 271 horsepower, 289 cid V8 engine. Buyers had a choice of a 3 or 4 speed manual transmissions or an automatic and a variety of rear gear ratios and interior options, some of which included front bucket or a bench seat, rear bench seat, a sports car style steering wheel and a floor mounted shifter.
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if that was true, then the 1965 fastback that I worked on with the generator never existed.....truth of the mater is that Ford constantly changes their parts all the time, many small block Mustangs had a big block strut tower on one side, in 1968 Ford ran out of 390's so they used Mercury engines (x codes, 390, 2V), even the marker reflector changed on 2-15-68...Ford just used what they had around in the plants. Ford even had a different auto shifter in first week cars.
Ford even moved the location of the T-bird logo on the dash of first dozen or so 55 T-Birds. Does that make them 54 1/2 Birds?
Hello there, I just aquired a 59 mustang, Vin= 9R01F112253. The vehicle has been stored for over 20 years. The vehicle was purchased not running, well so to speak, it started, but ran like on 2 cylinders. I profesionaly checked it out and found compression on 2 cylinders. Points condenser coil and wires were all ok. Ofcourse, the respective non compression cylinders, plugs were wet.
Uppon desasembly, found multiple bent pushrods and a broken rockerarm. The heads were inmaculatley clean on the rocker arm valley and the lifter valley was also as clean. all lifters were in excellent condition. My question then would be, if the motor was replaced prior to storage, is it a 289 or a 302?. How can or may I tell the difference. On the technical side, I thing that the re assembly was poor and incorrect. What is the proper reckerarm tightenig procedure? I think it was assebled with lifters empty and there fore uppon innitial fire the dammages was done. i.e lifters filled and the adjustment was too much and bent pushrods and broke the one rockerarm. As it now stands there are 9 to 11 threads expossed on each of the rockerarm studs. I am waiting to get some info for the vehicle, if possible so that I may purchase all new components. Also Can I replace the castiron rockers with maybe rollers with out mod to cyl head? or streelstamped rockers? Any performance upgrade hints will also be appreciated.. thank you much for time and patience, in advanced. Will.
Hello Jay. Enjoy your Mustang.
Welcome to the site
check this out..Near the end of the 1967 production run, Cleveland ran out of 289 blocks and substituted their new 302 block, C8-OE-6015-A and marked with 302 in the lifter valleys. This block wasn't intended to see action until 1968. Note these 302 casting numbers returned to the intermediate size Ford or Fairlane lineage. Hence, a late model 289 coming from the Cleveland plant might have a 302 block with 289 innards. The Windsor plant had an abundance of 289 blocks for 1967. In 1968 Cleveland only made 302s, while Windsor continued with the 289s. It appears Windsor also tooled up for 302s but the plug was pulled before they got to make any. They did however, design and produce a 302 block that was used on 289s after the stock of 289 blocks was depleted. The number was C8AE-6015-B with 302 marking in the lifter valley. At the very end of the model year some additional 289 blocks must have been discovered as the older C6AE-6015-C blocks appeared again. In 1969 Cleveland continued with 302 production. Windsor dropped 289 production and took up the 351. In 1970 Cleveland came out with its newly designed 351.
In short:
C8AE-6015-B is a 302 block from the Windsor plant that was used in 1968 on a 289.
C8OE-6015-A is a 302 block from Cleveland from a 1967 289 or a 1968 or later 302 (check date code). There is no code stamped n the block itself that can be used to identify the cubic inch displacement of the block. Casting numbers can be helpful, but some blocks used several different casting numbers, and in some cases, one casting is not interchangeable with the other. Engines are identified by a tag attached to the engine. This tag is used on all late 1964-1970 models and located under the coil attaching bolt. On the tag is the displacement, assembly plant, model year, change level, engine code (useful in identifying high performance engines) and date of production. This tag is easily lost or replaced with a fake tag, so don't rely solely on the tag for identification.
Cylinder Heads Casting numbers for cylinder heads may change from year to year. For example, the code may be cast as C6ZZ-A in 1966 and C8ZZ-A in 1968 even though they are the same cylinder head. Special heads are required with emission controls from 1965-1966 for the emission system to operate properly. Beginning in 1967, all heads have provisions for emission control systems. Casting numbers are usually the same or nearly the same as the part number. Cylinder heads cast with a "5" as the second digit were most likely installed in a 1966 model.
Pictures courtesy of Cruce Motor Rebuilding http://www.classicmustang.com/302_block.jpg 302 V-8 Block - The casting number is located where the starter bolts up to the bell housing. Removal of the starter is necessary to see the number
59 mustang "289/302"? 
. I suppose next your gonna tell me there's no Santa Clause.
