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Unread 11-02-2010   #1 (permalink)
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Post ProCharger Unveils 2011 5.0 Mustang Tuner Kits & Intercooled Stage II Systems at SEMA



Well into its second decade, ProCharger has built a reputation on its strong power-adders and exceptional service. Any Mustang owner knows if it is a supercharger you?re looking for, you can not overlook the Kansas-based company or any of its U.S.-wide dealers. Not satisfied with resting on its laurels, ProCharger chose the biggest car show in the land, SEMA, to unveil its latest creation, Intercooled Stage II Systems and Tuner Kits for the 2011 5.0 Mustangs.

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Notice the air filter location...no cold air charge
the horsepower isn't all that great

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Yes from the picture in the article I can see what you mean but take a look at the attached picture below to see if this makes any more sense in how it can be applied. I am not running any type of supercharger myself so I leave it to you and others to decide if the 9 second 2011 5.0 ProCharger equipped Mustang is even applicable:

ProCharger Unveils 2011 5.0 Mustang Tuner Kits & Intercooled Stage II Systems at SEMA-procharged_evolution_2011_mustang.jpg

Either way the setup looks pretty cool to me. Here is a link to the article where you can find more details:

First Forced Induction 2011 5.0 Mustang in the 9s is ProCharger-equipped

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It's a fact that more air is taken in under the hood up near the cowl, rather than inside the fender. The cowl system isn't designed to necessarily let hot underhood air out (which is does but only at low speed), it draws air in when the car is at speed and that's what you really need.

Unless it's a grille mounted filter system, up near the cowl is a better spot than behind the headlight.

Plus, I think taking the power over 600 hp is a little more than "great", going from 412 to 615+ is kinda outstanding when you're adding just 7 psi of boost. Not many can drive a 600+ hp car either, so the ProCharger system is rather well designed and impressive especially since the 2011 5.0 has 11:1 compression and they made a 50 state legal system that doesn't detonate it to death. I think that is a feat in itself.
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I think the HP rating is excellent taking in account the 11:1 compression compression ratio.

That S/C is also a very nice/clean looking setup
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I was reading the latest 5.0 magazine and they tested this setup, just made a little over 500whp and 400 ft/lbs, that TQ killed it for me, it makes NONE.
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Interesting, what issue is that? I don't see how a system can add 100 hp but zero torque, I'd like to see it myself.
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Check out the article in the Jan 2011 issue of 5.0 Mustang & Super Ford magazine, pgs: 58-64. (not online yet), but it should be in your mailbox or on newstands this week. On page 62 is their "On the Dyno" chart for this install.

Keep in mind, this installation was on an automatic-equipped 2011 5.0. At 6,400 rpm (where they ran the naturally-aspirated car to) added 138 rwhp and 101 lb/ft of torque. Running the ProCharged car up to 7,300 RPM (where this dealer elects to shift at), recorded 517 rwhp at 7.4 psi of boost.

Note: this was a straight-out-of-the-box installation and tune. Suffice it to say, there is LOTS of room for additional HP gains with a custom tune. Trust me: the guys at Evolution Performance are ALL over 5.0 performance... as several other ProCharger dealers across the U.S. and Canada.

Stay tuned for more testing with the new Stage II System that was introduced at SEMA.

The December 2010 issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords also has an install/dyno test article...this one on a manual trans car... pgs: 94-104... The P-1SC-1 went up to 543 rwhp and 429 lb-ft of tq... and a D-1SC (that dealer Blow-By Racing had on hand) took it a stock 2011 5.0 4V up to 607.53 rwhp, 491.72 tq... oh yeah, it was also 95 degrees and 65% humidity in the shop that day...
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Check out the article in the Jan 2011 issue of 5.0 Mustang & Super Ford magazine, pgs: 58-64. (not online yet), but it should be in your mailbox or on newstands this week. On page 62 is their "On the Dyno" chart for this install.

Keep in mind, this installation was on an automatic-equipped 2011 5.0. At 6,400 rpm (where they ran the naturally-aspirated car to) added 138 rwhp and 101 lb/ft of torque. Running the ProCharged car up to 7,300 RPM (where this dealer elects to shift at), recorded 517 rwhp at 7.4 psi of boost.

Note: this was a straight-out-of-the-box installation and tune. Suffice it to say, there is LOTS of room for additional HP gains with a custom tune. Trust me: the guys at Evolution Performance are ALL over 5.0 performance... as several other ProCharger dealers across the U.S. and Canada.

Stay tuned for more testing with the new Stage II System that was introduced at SEMA.

The December 2010 issue of Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords also has an install/dyno test article...this one on a manual trans car... pgs: 94-104... The P-1SC-1 went up to 543 rwhp and 429 lb-ft of tq... and a D-1SC (that dealer Blow-By Racing had on hand) took it a stock 2011 5.0 4V up to 607.53 rwhp, 491.72 tq... oh yeah, it was also 95 degrees and 65% humidity in the shop that day...
Nice clean setup BUT why did you feel the need for such a Big,Heavy,cumbersome head unit mounting bracket? What does that thing tip the scales at? It's the size of a timing cover
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The more I'm around my tuners shop the more I see guys tossing their superchargers for turbos...way more power and efficiency.
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Nice clean setup BUT why did you feel the need for such a Big,Heavy,cumbersome head unit mounting bracket? What does that thing tip the scales at? It's the size of a timing cover
It is most likely 6061 pure aluminum. I can almost bet the belt tensioner weighs more thatn the alum plate..i use 1/2" thk T6061 alum for my set ups and it is amazingly light and extremely strong..
i bet they used it for the spacers too...
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The more I'm around my tuners shop the more I see guys tossing their superchargers for turbos...way more power and efficiency.
Superchargers have no turbo lag due to being connected directly to the crank.
Turbochargers generate quite a bit more heat.
Turbochargers create additional exhaust backpressure which reduces itís efficiency.
Superchargers spin between 15,000 and 40,000 RPM. Compared to a Turbochargerís 75,000-150,000 RPM. Which make a Turbo less reliable. Also, the turbo is more complex.
Superchargers are easier to install and tune.
The choice seems clear to me.
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Superchargers have no turbo lag due to being connected directly to the crank.
Turbochargers generate quite a bit more heat.
Turbochargers create additional exhaust backpressure which reduces itís efficiency.
Superchargers spin between 15,000 and 40,000 RPM. Compared to a Turbochargerís 75,000-150,000 RPM. Which make a Turbo less reliable. Also, the turbo is more complex.
Superchargers are easier to install and tune.
The choice seems clear to me.
'nough said...period
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Superchargers have no turbo lag due to being connected directly to the crank.
Turbochargers generate quite a bit more heat.
Turbochargers create additional exhaust backpressure which reduces itís efficiency.
Superchargers spin between 15,000 and 40,000 RPM. Compared to a Turbochargerís 75,000-150,000 RPM. Which make a Turbo less reliable. Also, the turbo is more complex.
Superchargers are easier to install and tune.
The choice seems clear to me.
Well if you were around enough fast cars you would see that the turbo cars are MUCH faster than the supercharged cars...the heat and backpressure issues are moot with an intercooler...the lag is negligble with a proper sized unit...the complexity is less since the intercooler is easier to route...the power is basically free since there is no parasitic loss to drive the turbos...superchargers esp the centris fail at a rate that is basically rediculous for the money you will spend...
Try to open your eyes and talk to some real tuners for the straight tech on it all...
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superchargers esp the centris fail at a rate that is basically rediculous for the money you will spend...
what comparison data do you have that documents this?

how do you explain vortech, procharger sucess in this market?

there good and bad things to say about both FI systems. the reality is that superchargers are easier to install and require less labor than some turbo set ups that for the most part are totally custom jobs.

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