Aw gee, you had to say that...sounds like Santa is coming a little early this year
Always loved the efficiency of turbos. I originally bought the car for my wife but she recently gave me the go-ahead for modifications. I don't think she knows what she's gotten into....
[quote]Originally posted by GT Dan
Yes, trucks use them, but most mustangs are neither trucks nor are they diesel. And yes, they use turbos in formula one cars. Just for the record, I had a conversation with a client that has been a computer welding engineering consultant for GM for several years. He told me that one of the current formula one teams that was in the top ten folded because they felt like they could not be competitive with only a $70 million dollar budget.
just thoght that i would give some info that needed to be said.
formula one doesn't use turbos they have been banned out of f1 because yes they are tring to cut back on cost but the main reason is that they make too much power and it is considered unsafe. BMW was making 3.0l turbo engines that were making 1200+ horsepower and that is in the late eighties. also i don't know if you were tring to make to point that poweradders were part of formula one for awhile and no one ever used sc i wonder why? maybe because they are not as effective. they have all of the resourse in the world to figure out what is the best material to use and to have.another note about turbos and there cooling or lack there of after you turn off your car they have a gadget called a " turbo timer" from hks that spin the turbo even when your car is off so that it won't cause any problems.
Ok so the question arise once more, but in a slightly different context. I believe that through past threads that if you wnat to have higher performance and a more track racing car that a turbo set up is the more desireable set up. Correct me if I'm wronge. So why is it that MM&FF has a **** load of adds and sales info on superchargers and very few if any with turbos? They kind of make it sound like a charger or blower is the way to go. Could some one get back to me on why??
Let me take a shot at this...
Turbo uses exhaust gases (left over, exiting, wasted gas) to spin a turbine which is refed into the engine via intake. Because it relies on exhaust gases, the amount of pressure (boost) varies according to engine RPM. So as RPM's go up, more exhaust gas flows through the turbine. With an 8 cylinder engine, lag is less when compared to a 4 cylinder engine.
Superchargers rely on a pulley to spin the impellers which force air into the intake. Because some of the engine's power is wasted spinning the pulley, the supercharger needs to put out more power to make up for the loss at the pulley. Because it uses a pulley, the supercharger has a constant spin (most of them, at least), power at tap, wheras in a turbo, there is a lag at a certain RPM until it kicks in.
I may not be all correct, but it's the basic idea.
From what I have read you are correct. But from what I have read as well a turbo is a better way to go, yes it really is up to the person at the end but generally speaking in terms of racers. So I was wonderingg why MM&FF has **** load on blowers and very little on turbos.
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Here's a quote from a website that only carries superchargers:
"The reason we do not currently sell any turbochargers is because we have not yet found a turbo system that is suitable for mail-order /e-commerce sale. We are not prepared to sell a turbo system that is difficult to install and requires the attention of a professional engine tuner or mechanic."
I personally don't think they are difficult to install OR require the attention of a professional engine tuner or mechanic, but then again, I'm not the one who doesn't sell turbos
As far as a Talon being a weak example, a friend of mine has an all wheel drive 92 Talon. It can humiliate most cars it comes across. Including big block muscle car’s on nitrous. After seeing what a four cylinder can do with a very healthy turbo setup, Turbo is the only way to go.
Originally posted by PonyBoy1574 So why is it that MM&FF has a **** load of adds and sales info on superchargers and very few if any with turbos? They kind of make it sound like a charger or blower is the way to go. Could some one get back to me on why??
For one thing, in the past and still to a large degree, the turbo companies didn't have their **** together. There was a long wait and when you got your stuff, the kit was incomplete or had some wrong parts. No one answers the phone or returns calls. So overall they have had a bad rep.
But now there are some new companies on the scene that promise to rectify that situation like ProTurbo and Youngs (avail in 1st quarter '03). Plus a turbo kit is more complex (because it adds the exhaust plumbing) as far as the number of pieces compared to a s/c. Therefore it's easier to sell a s/c kit than a turbo kit. But if a turbo company has it's **** together, this shouldn't be an issue.
True they are a little more difficult to install, but nothing someone with a decent set of tools and fair mechanical ability can't do by themselves. Nothing good comes easy.
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Originally posted by PonyBoy1574 Ok so the question arise once more, but in a slightly different context. I believe that through past threads that if you wnat to have higher performance and a more track racing car that a turbo set up is the more desireable set up. Correct me if I'm wronge. So why is it that MM&FF has a **** load of adds and sales info on superchargers and very few if any with turbos? They kind of make it sound like a charger or blower is the way to go. Could some one get back to me on why??
Well here are my thoughts.
There are allot of S/C “kit” manufactures out there. Anyone of them will work just fine. You can get a decent S/C kit for around 3k. There is also allot of turbo manufactures out there, but not too many turbo “kit” manufactures. Everyone wants a wham-bam; I want it running now “kit”. And the turbo guys have not been able to make the call. There have been supply issues with some companies, reliability issues with another, or prices to high for others. I really don’t think it is because one is easier than the other to install. Yeah a turbo has exhaust issues to work out but they don’t have all the brackets and pullies to mess with either. Both will have plumping to deal with, both will have heat issues (compressed air will always produce heat), both will have tuning issues.
I think you hit on it yourself with “MM&FF has a **** load of adds and sales info on superchargers and very few if any with turbos?” That’s because there are so-many S/C companies that can supply a kit fairly cheap, and so-few turbo “kit” companies out there period, let-alone that can produce a kit in the price range of the average person.
Or people just don't understand turbos
Well that is my thoughts right or wrong
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Thanks a lot on the feed back, For a second there I thought the world was turning S/C on me!! I mainly ask because down the road I know I want to get a dual turbo set up in my 02 V6. But first I needs $$$ and I need to gain a better understanding of my car so that I don't turn into one of those guys that drive around and not know shiit about what is going on. I may not do all mods myself but I want to be there to look on and help out and when you know a few Mechanics then ya doing good. Thanks again.
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Originally posted by spencer martin noone has mentioned the obvious reason for S/C instead of Turbo in a Mustang. Price Price Price!!!!
I don't think that's really a definite decision maker since there are turbo kits out there in the high $3k range. And a good s/c kit WITH an intercoller will cost you the same.
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Incon 800tti Twin Turbo w/ Intercooler
American Racing Torq Thrust II's
- 17x11 and 17x9.5
- Yokohama AVS Sports
80mm MAF, 36# injectors, custom chip, 3.73's, Dual K&N's, HyFire Ignition, Jacobs Ultra Coil, HMS subframe connectors with cross braces, AutoMeter Guages, Walbro 255lph intank pump, straight 3" exhaust, no cats, no muffs
A very interesting thread on my favorite topic. I spent 20 years in a Toyota dealership and got to work with what I consider to be the best turbos and electronics in the world. (I have had a 2001 SVT Cobra for a year now - no mods yet).<p>The 87-92 Supra turbo cars were capable of 320 RWHP from a 3 Liter inline six with $25.00 worth of mods. Just trash the mufflers and run 2.5" pipe and add a POA valve to fool the wastegate with cocpit control.<p>Toyota makes their own turbos. The CT26 used on the Generation III Supra is an awesome piece. Two of them will find the way under the hood of my Cobra eventually. Water cooled center section means no need for cool down.<p>Another nice feature of these turbos is the integral waste gate. The downside is there is no kit but I like fabricating parts so I can spend time instead of money.<p>Just as a side note the Volvo 240 Turbo has a nice intercooler with excellent internal aerodynamics that can be had in the boneyard for $50.00 - for those in the belt driven or turbo camps.
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I mainly ask because down the road I know I want to get a dual turbo set up in my 02 V6. But first I needs $$$ and I need to gain a better understanding of my car so that I don't turn into one of those guys that drive around and not know shiit about what is going on. I may not do all mods myself but I want to be there to look on and help out and when you know a few Mechanics then ya doing good. Thanks again.
