What about longevity? I see way more turbo going out , rebuilt.
Don't say that to the 18 wheeler guy's who get 450k to 600k on them there turbo's. Or my bro who's got 240k on his powersmoker. It's all in the tune man! It's funny that the supercharger argument has now turned to the "it's unamerican to put a turbo on a V8" stance!
There is a replacement for displacement, and it's called a turbo!!!
I agree with you 110% on a S197 car, but not for a fox. S197 take very well to whipple chargers. Foxes tend to like centripetal a bit more. I will agree that any amount or any type of boost will wake up your car, and could be a hellva ride with it. I am just saying my opinion on the subject. Yes I have done extensive research and have learned from my friends and their trial and error. Any type of boost in MODERATION is good, and not harmful. Key word is moderation.
I dont know much on the Fox body I was only commenting on the S197, I should of clarified that.
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I dont know much on the Fox body I was only commenting on the S197, I should of clarified that.
Dont get me wrong, some people love them, and I have considered one for a Fox...I would have to do A LOT more research on them first though. I know they are kinda cool with all that low end power.
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And MOST street cars made by saleen and roush are pretty slow...except for the E-281 witch made 425hp, but is way too expensive for a regular person.
Ok I see this an old thread but Roush/ Saleen,,,, slow,, jeez man I'm pushing 400 ponies in my S/C'd 2008 Stage 3 and backed a Ram-air down at a street light yesterday. I reved he rolled his window down and told me he didn't stand a chance, (in differant words,, it was kinda like "no f'n way".
I thought I saw drool
With concerns to turbo vs. supercharged its all about the application. Turbos will always be able to produce more power with less cost. But supercharger have instant power, no lagging. For drag racing id go with superchargers, and most other types of racing with turbos. And a little fun fact for ya'll semi trucks have in pull competitions have been known to use nitrous just to spool up some monster turbos
I dont see a lot of supercharged mustangs race croch rockets on the interstate?? Turbo charged is the way to go i have a sn95 vortech and a 100hp nos My new addition is a 1992 fox and it will be twin turbo, Go to you tube check out the fox racing a hayabusa,zx10r all of them got a hiding from a turbocharged fox Mustang Fact is Turbos make more streetable horse power
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talons are 4 cyclinders, is it even possible to supercharge a 4 cyclinder? i dont know about that. i would suppose. but why would you want to? anyway, your example is weak. the new 03 cobra is supercharged boys , not turbocharged. not to mention saleen's and roush's..shinoda boss. but i suppose steve saleen and jack roush should of used turbo's, they dont know jack about cars as it turns out.....?? piece.
ford went with a supercharger because of the complications of making it a turbo system...
With a turbo It doesn't take horse power to make it like a supercharger does AND if you build the combo correctly you wont have that much lag! At the end of the day, people will spend thousands on a motor BUT Cheep out on an EMS like fast or DFI! SO like they always say "their is a seat for every ass"
I am looking to turbo charge my GT Mustang and was wondering if anyone could give me advise on what to get or where to go
my brother put twin turbos in his trans am and he bought used turbos, did the piping himself, and only bought the wastegate and intercool new and he spent only 2 grand. so if you have the know how i suggest that.
My car is a factory turbo car. Mustang SVO 4 cylinder Fox body with 14 pounds of boost potential.
The funny thing is, it was just as fast-if not faster than the 5.0 of the same years. I beat up on new Mustangs with it alot. Of course it's lighter so that helps too.
As soon as I get done with the mods to the engine, I will be puting out close to 300 HP and over 300 in torque. And that is only modding the head.
Turbo charging is a toxicalogy of proper head/block surfacing and torquing; proper tuning; and a combonation of the right parts. You are certainly going to have problems if you try and throw a bunch of mis-matched/under-quality parts together and hope for the best.
I saw someone mention 3 pounds of boost from a supercharger? What's the point? I can muster that at a red light by reving up the engine. I wanna throw 20+ pounds at it and give that head gasket a run for it's money!
my brother put twin turbos in his trans am and he bought used turbos, did the piping himself, and only bought the wastegate and intercool new and he spent only 2 grand. so if you have the know how i suggest that.
i was wondering ..... can ya get a used turbo off of anything? does it have to be for a v8?mustang?for example..if i found a wrecked rx7 or supra, could i rob the turbos and pipe them into my car?(94 gt)
A lot of issues have been discussed here but for me the main issue is reliability. Superchargers outshine turbo's in that category. We can all probably give examples in favor of our favorite type of FI method but over all superchargers win in that category. This is due to the high revs and high heat that come with turbo's
I would also like to add that turbo's are not free power. They increase backpressure which robs HP. Superchargers are now much more efficient then they were 20+ years ago and the typical consumer SC does not use 50+ HP. I don't have any exact numbers on the parasitic losses of either type and I'm not going to throw around a bunch of false numbers to prove my point. I'm just pointing out that turbos don't produce free HP.
A lot of issues have been discussed here but for me the main issue is reliability. Superchargers outshine turbo's in that category. We can all probably give examples in favor of our favorite type of FI method but over all superchargers win in that category. This is due to the high revs and high heat that come with turbo's
I would also like to add that turbo's are not free power. They increase backpressure which robs HP. Superchargers are now much more efficient then they were 20+ years ago and the typical consumer SC does not use 50+ HP. I don't have any exact numbers on the parasitic losses of either type and I'm not going to throw around a bunch of false numbers to prove my point. I'm just pointing out that turbos don't produce free HP.
I respectfully disagree.
at 10 psi a vortech supercharged v6 puts down 313 rwhp and 290 torque.
at 8.3 psi a turbo'd v6 puts down 313 rwhp and 377 torque.
Supercharged v6s still run 13s unless more mods are done while turbo'd v6s run 12s outta the box.
I would pick a turbo anyday
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not knocking s/c'ers but really who does any racing under 3000rpms? i mean come on im n/a ( until my turbo goes on in a week or so ) but **** i launch at 3500 to 4grand my tach never see's 1500 so whats the point of having power there ? i know many people that run s/c'ers and have no problems at all with them at say 10lbs but run that same kit at say 15lbs watch how many have spare belts in the trunk and have shreaded hood liners now take that turbo run it at the same psi. no problems at all except for the fact you cant keep tires on the car lol
