Supercharger kits. Everyone asks the question 'can I...' and the answer is always "throw out what the factory gives you with the kit, it will ruin your engine! Go get a dyno tune. I have a brother/uncle/best friend/girlfriend's dad/mother's x-lover's illigitimate son who runs dyno tune for me..." There isn't a place to get a dyno tune probably for 1,500 miles in every direction from where I live, Eastern Montana.
Driving 1,500 miles, then installing the blower, then dynotuning my 'stang is not an option ('98 V6). Now what? Forget about the blower?
P.S. what is the 'FMU' physically (where do I find it), I'm pretty much fuel system illiterate when it comes to this car. Engine okay, driveline and rear great, suspension and chassis good, but my understanding of fuel control is very poor. Why is it these companies will sell you a blower with the FMU only, but not bigger fuel injectors...
How does a dumb guy like my decide what *exactly* needs to be changed. I'm not building a rocket ship here, just want to try to run about 10 lbs of boost. I don't need the absolute perfect fuel mixture and I'm not going to be able to tell the difference or feel of my car at idle speeds vs. mid range vs. high range. I'm perfectly happy installing all the stock stuff they send with the charger kit... but everone says it's guaranteed to damage your engine if you do?
Supercharger kits. Everyone asks the question 'can I...' and the answer is always "throw out what the factory gives you with the kit, it will ruin your engine! Go get a dyno tune. I have a brother/uncle/best friend/girlfriend's dad/mother's x-lover's illigitimate son who runs dyno tune for me..." There isn't a place to get a dyno tune probably for 1,500 miles in every direction from where I live, Eastern Montana.
Driving 1,500 miles, then installing the blower, then dynotuning my 'stang is not an option ('98 V6). Now what? Forget about the blower?
P.S. what is the 'FMU' physically (where do I find it), I'm pretty much fuel system illiterate when it comes to this car. Engine okay, driveline and rear great, suspension and chassis good, but my understanding of fuel control is very poor. Why is it these companies will sell you a blower with the FMU only, but not bigger fuel injectors...
How does a dumb guy like my decide what *exactly* needs to be changed. I'm not building a rocket ship here, just want to try to run about 10 lbs of boost. I don't need the absolute perfect fuel mixture and I'm not going to be able to tell the difference or feel of my car at idle speeds vs. mid range vs. high range. I'm perfectly happy installing all the stock stuff they send with the charger kit... but everone says it's guaranteed to damage your engine if you do?
No, that's not true.
Everybody doesn't understand the changes from year to year.
Go with ATI, they sell the complete package, and it won't ruin your engine.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Supercharger kits. Everyone asks the question 'can I...' and the answer is always "throw out what the factory gives you with the kit, it will ruin your engine! Go get a dyno tune. I have a brother/uncle/best friend/girlfriend's dad/mother's x-lover's illigitimate son who runs dyno tune for me..." There isn't a place to get a dyno tune probably for 1,500 miles in every direction from where I live, Eastern Montana.
Driving 1,500 miles, then installing the blower, then dynotuning my 'stang is not an option ('98 V6). Now what? Forget about the blower?
P.S. what is the 'FMU' physically (where do I find it), I'm pretty much fuel system illiterate when it comes to this car. Engine okay, driveline and rear great, suspension and chassis good, but my understanding of fuel control is very poor. Why is it these companies will sell you a blower with the FMU only, but not bigger fuel injectors...
How does a dumb guy like my decide what *exactly* needs to be changed. I'm not building a rocket ship here, just want to try to run about 10 lbs of boost. I don't need the absolute perfect fuel mixture and I'm not going to be able to tell the difference or feel of my car at idle speeds vs. mid range vs. high range. I'm perfectly happy installing all the stock stuff they send with the charger kit... but everone says it's guaranteed to damage your engine if you do?
if you try to run an Eaton blower with a pre-99 engine, you'd be in trouble, bu tthe beauty of a centrifugal supercharger is that there isn't a lot of stress at lower RPMs. and you will rarely run into highly stressfull situations with your engine.
You can safely run 11psi of boost with an ATI setup, which incluudes an intercooler.
if you try to run a twin screw setup, you'll be in trouble with a pre-99 block.
That's pretty much it.
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The tune that came with my Procharger sucked!!! You can always have SCT or someone make a base tune for your setup... They do a damn good job getting the tunes really close.
The tune that came with my Procharger sucked!!! You can always have SCT or someone make a base tune for your setup... They do a damn good job getting the tunes really close.
Ah, I guess I didn't understand the question!
There are dyno tuning facilities, everywhere.
I found two in Springdale Arkansas.
You can always install the chip, it may not run the BEST but it will run without damaging the car. and then get it done when you're ready.
I helped install the ATI, and it wasn't hard at all.
The car ran well with the program, but a dyno tune yielded better driveability and significantly more power.
The program that comes with the unit is set to the safest of parameters, and for an otherwise stock engine.
Most people no longer have a stock engine by the time they step up to a SC unit.
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
You can always install the chip, it may not run the BEST but it will run without damaging the car. and then get it done when you're ready.
I helped install the ATI, and it wasn't hard at all.
The car ran well with the program, but a dyno tune yielded better driveability and significantly more power.
The program that comes with the unit is set to the safest of parameters, and for an otherwise stock engine.
Most people no longer have a stock engine by the time they step up to a SC unit.
Well, the chip I had ran too rich and had way too much timing. The car ran great at part throttle, but at WOT it detonated like mad. The kit wasn't that bad on the install either. The hardest part was lying on my back for hours lining up all the piping and then mounting the intercooler.
Wow guys! Thanks for all the help. Great advice and very excited about the dyno in Billings. In fact now that I think about it I think I might've known it was there. Just very hard to find on the internet, you know when you search for something like 'Dyno tune in Montana' and you get those generic hits like "Dyno tunes in Montana / Dyno tunes in Missouri / Dyno tunes in Mississippi" and you click and all it is is advertisements for penis pills.
I was probably planning on maybe one or two more mods, headers and exhaust, or should I stay away from those with a blower? I heard if you get an exhaust too big it's hard to maintain boost?
Boost is just air backed up in the intake manifold. So if you are loosing boost from adding something like exhaust, heads or cams. That's a good thing. That means you'll make more power because your motor is actually taking the extra air in the combustion chamber. I lost about a 1 PSI when I added the O/R X pipe.
Edit: It also means that the blower compressor doesn't have to work as hard.
Boost is just air backed up in the intake manifold. So if you are loosing boost from adding something like exhaust, heads or cams. That's a good thing. That means you'll make more power because your motor is actually taking the extra air in the combustion chamber. I lost about a 1 PSI when I added the O/R X pipe.
Edit: It also means that the blower compressor doesn't have to work as hard.
Wow! that's the clearest explanation I've seen!
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
Are you being serious or sarcastic? I believe you are being serious. If you are, thanks for the compliment :thumbsup
I also wanted to add that when the blower compressor doesn't work as hard, that means less heat. Less heat means denser air. More air means you can burn more fuel and make more power
Where can I find a positive displacement supercharger kit for a 2000 3.8? I won't be able to do it for another three years, but it would be nice to know what the options are. Thanks.
P.S. what is the 'FMU' physically (where do I find it), I'm pretty much fuel system illiterate when it comes to this car. Engine okay, driveline and rear great, suspension and chassis good, but my understanding of fuel control is very poor. Why is it these companies will sell you a blower with the FMU only, but not bigger fuel injectors...
How does a dumb guy like my decide what *exactly* needs to be changed. I'm not building a rocket ship here, just want to try to run about 10 lbs of boost. I don't need the absolute perfect fuel mixture and I'm not going to be able to tell the difference or feel of my car at idle speeds vs. mid range vs. high range. I'm perfectly happy installing all the stock stuff they send with the charger kit... but everone says it's guaranteed to damage your engine if you do?
The Fuel Management Unit (FMU) only applies to the 94-98 models. The instructions will tell you how to install it and where to mount it. The Vortech kit comes with replacement fuel injectors and it looks like they have chips that will compensate for the added power. It's all included in the package. Check out their instructions for the 94-00 3.8 V6. http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/...s/4FF218IM.PDF
Thanks for that link! Good stuff. I looked all over the internet; it appears ATI won't post their install instructions anywhere. If anyone has procharger blower install manual I'd love tos ee it too, but I think this Vortech sheet should give me a good idea of what I'll be up against.
Also kscoyote it's always good to see youagain after we had our v6/v8 debate =) And here I am with a v6 after taking sides with the v8'ers.
Are you being serious or sarcastic? I believe you are being serious. If you are, thanks for the compliment :thumbsup
I also wanted to add that when the blower compressor doesn't work as hard, that means less heat. Less heat means denser air. More air means you can burn more fuel and make more power
No, I'm totally serious!
I've tried to explain it, but I've never been able to explain it that well!
I might print and save it!
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Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness,his upper rooms by injustice,making his countrymen work for nothing...Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar?Did not your father have food and drink?He did what was right and just,so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy,and so all went well...But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain,on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion. Jer 22:13, 15-17
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