I will have to say there is a cretin amount of pride to running someone on the motor and beating them. However, in the world of horsepower and torque it is all about the most you can get and putting it to the ground and it is measured by the 1/4 mile. Blowers and turbo's are wicked to run, but nitrous will always be the king of power adders. I always tell people "if you can beat my 11 second motor, I got 300 horses in the hatch on reserve". There are alot of people who feel that way, but if your into supping up any car in anyway your cool in my book.
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This discussion, argument really, is rediculous. As long as you don't leave first there is no cheating. You make your car as fast as you can with the money you have....Period. If a kid with a $400 nitrous kit on a 2.0 beats you. Good for him..Shame on you. What if your car is faster but he is a better driver. Then what? ''hey, no fair, I'm heavier than him''
Hey guys! I think the supercharger's really cheating because you "Cheat" all the time. You don't even get to see what your car runs normally unless you turn that thing off cap it and put an intake back on w/ a stock tune. Come on now. Stupid argument. If you spank an 03 cobra like I do with my nitrous/heads/cams/tune/tires/exhaust/headers/intakes then good for you! At least with the nitrous I can shut the cobra's up with the juice or without it.
They're both sweet though.
As far as I'm concerned, if you want to strap a rocket to your car in order to win, it's legitimate, as long as you're willing to accept to consequences. Unless you're competing professionally with a spelled out set of rules, there really is no such thing as cheating.
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i sell nitrous on the side from my trailer at the track.ive sold over 500lbs in a season in iowa for the last 3 years. its cheap horsepower when you want to hit the button.i think it enhances the power that their and takes it farther.yes you need to now how to use it like,jetting,timing,and pressures or all that fun will cost you big.i have the juice on my 81 capri. it runs 9.97 on motor and 9.09 on the spray.with nos or a blower they dont care how bad your heads flow or how small your cam is.they just force it in and out. for the value of a blow yes its can bemor cositant power but not everyone has the extra 2000-4500 for the blower. besides takes to long to get the boost were it neds to be before the lights drop.i can just let go of my trans brake and im armed and gone.see ya.
dude.....3/4 of the racing classes out there run the bottle. hell look at pro mod...they are either bottle or blower.....its not cheating....i have ran nitrous for years and blower and all motor cars........you do what you have to to win. if you have it and they dont ? too bad for them....i had a modded wrx whoop my stock mustang.....so i bought the bottle and drag radials.....and dragged his butt till he was sore...lol and he lost every time. what other mod could add that kind of power for 600.00 ???? nothing !!! hook up the nitrous and all you will be asking yourself is.........why didn't i do it sooner ??
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Originally Posted by ShakyJake
Personally, I don't consider nitrous a "mod". It's an artificial boost to your car's speed. It's not like your driving back and forth between work and home with nitrous always "on", you see.
I mean, if I went to the race track and had a rocket strapped to my car and was blowing away Vipers and Lingenfelter Corvettes, would I REALLY have such bragging rights? Of course not.
a power adder is a power adder no matter how you slice it or dice it!
i love it when blower guys say " im all motor " and as soon as i say i have a bottle they get all upset and i gotta remind them that a blower IS a power adder!
take the belt off if you'r gonna say " all motor " if not run what you brung and hope you brought enough!
i esp. love the guys with big blocks that piss and mone about a small block on spray!
around my way " big block vs small block on spray, n/a vs n/a, or power adder vs power adder" Heads up! cross into my lane you loose , first to end of track wins! A CHASE IS A RACE!
sry had to blow off some steam! lol
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I was about to get some shut-eye I before reading this series of threads. Hey shakyJake, please don't get affended by my commits, but I'm a bit amazed at your perception of nitrous. Being and engineer and former mechanic, I don't think you understand the definition of power adders. As a start NHRA considers any vehicle with nitrous, unmodified superchargers, and turbos as power adders. Why would they do that? Well, first of all any method that artificially increases the cylinder pressure in the combustion chamber is a power adder. In fact, at NHRA tracks that is an official event, you're not allowed to run more than one power adder unless you're running the wide open classes that allow anything.
Any time you're forcing fuel and air into the combustion camber, meaning that the vehicle is no longer normally aspirated its a power adder whether it came from the factory or installed as an after market product.
Also is it fair for me to hook up a $5 by-pass hose to my GMC Syclone that allows me to change the boost for 14 psi to 21 psi? Or change the pulley on a supercharger because it lost 3 psi of boost, by going up in altitude went from sea-level to 5800 ft.
If you want to say, like I've heard over the years, "no bottle all throttle" mentality, then expect to get spanked by turbos and blowers especially at higher altitudes. In fact there an index difference for normally aspirated vehicle at higher altitudes, because there are electronics in many performance turbo vehicles that can compensate for increases in altitude.
One last note, you spoke about engines grenading or blowing up because of the use of nitrous, my point is that its no different that running 40 lbs of boost in a vehicle that is only designed for 14 lbs of boost. Which leads to the point you stated that its not real engine power if you use nitrous. Again, if you think you can run a lot of nitrous in a motor that was not designed for that much cylinder pressure, you will grenade the motor, just as you would in a blown or turbo vehicle. By the way, many companies have NOS controller systems that allow you to program when the nitrous is injected into the engine, and senses detonation.
My stang was designed from the bottom up to run nitrous, which I haven't completed the installation yet. That's because very few people that think they have fast cars, including modified Z06's no that they will get a serious spanking, and no one around here wants to get beat by a Mustang. However, there is one challenge that is in the works with my brother who I sold my modified Hayabusa to. I probably can't be him with just 600 ponies, but the additional 400 shot of nitrous should do the trick.
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nos is a power adder just the same as any other. and in no way is it cheating, its the same as a blower either way your pushing alot more air in thats also colder, i would choose nos over a blower, its reliable, cheap, and wide band of hp jets. besides turbos are generally slow to spool up nos is immediate.
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I have a 1991 fox boby with 125 shot of nitrous. it is a zex kit, and i would never consider it cheating, just racing. but it was easy to install, just had to retard the timing... best 600$ i spent on the car.i shaved almost 2 seconds off my times.
This is an old thread , but no matter what anyone says I think NOS is one of the coolest things ever. Anything that makes a car faster is great , I wouldnt consider it cheating
Ok heres the deal with nitrous oxide. Nitrous is not a cheating system no more than a supercharger. Nitrous is a supercharger, but in chemical form. What does a supercharger do? Adds more airflow into the motor. What is airflow? Oxygen!!! At 572 degrees nitrous oxide will begin to chemically combust inside your motor. It releases nitrogen and oxygen. Of the two nitrogen is put out through your exhaust and eaten up by your cat or by the atmosphere dependent on your exhaust system. The oxygen left over is then burned up just like adding a supercharger to your motor. Hence the reason when you add nitrous you must introduce more fuel, just like a supercharger or turbo. When you raise the temperature of combustion with oxygen you must add more fuel to compensate for this change. There is no difference in using a blower or turbo in comparison to nitrous except for the fact that nitrous will run out. It is not cheating to use nitrous. For all those who think it is then you need to quit racing quarter miles and start street racing. Guess who will win? The blower or turbo cause they never run out. I have run all three types of systems and I love all three, it is just a matter of preference. Know what you are talking about before you say that nitrous is a cheat cause its not. Its the exact same as a supercharger or turbo, hence the reason u need a boost gauge!!! Hope this clears some speculation up.
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