Anybody here do any autocrossing in the F stock division of SCCA?

JHue75 · 07-24-2003

Hey guys, just wanted to know if anyone of the forum did any autocrossing in the f stock division.

That way I can possibly ask some specific questions.....about autocrossing.

Thanks in advance.

Jhue75

Saleen Owner · 07-26-2003

No F Stock. But Super Stock before mod's, and then B Street Prepared. I can try and help you though.

JHue75 · 07-28-2003

Hey Saleen Owner, thanks for the reply.

I could not reply until this morning, so damn busy with school......

Anyways, I see you did not run F-Stock, but Super Stock....is that because you could not run F Stock with a Saleen car? I am new to SCCA and I forgot to buy a rulebook at the last event.

If so that answers what happens if I were to buy a Roush Mustang or the like and try to run it unmodified in SCCA, I guess thats the class they go into , Super Stock?

I wanted to stay in F Stock for as long as possible, but for street driving there are a few mods I want , but dont want to get thrown out of F stock until I learn to drive better. My skills need to improve, not my mechanics....BUT.....

I wanted to get a Cat-Back system for my car.....so it sounds a little deeper and meaner. I know that is within the rules of F stock.... but for the few other mods...well I am not sure if they will disqualify me.

One, was to install a new shifter, like a Pro 5.0 or a Steeda Tri Ax. ( in autocross I usually only use 1-2 gears, but our division runs a course at Sebring, that is very long and fast and known to need 3rd gear )

And also, this is a small thing, but if I change out the stock pedals to a aluminium race set (for heel to toe ) will that be a violation also?
I am not changing anything by the pedal "covers" , but wanted to get the kind you have to screw on. ( Not a pair you could buy a pep buys. )

The pedals seem pretty minor, but the shifter is what I am worried about....with all the problems I hear from people with the shifter.

Plus I am tall and would make it alot easier to have an adjustable handle on it.

Sorry to be so long winded.
I have some more questions, but I dont want to overwhelm you on the first try...

Saleen Owner · 07-29-2003

Don't let class change stop you from mod'ing your car. You drive it alot more on the street than at an event. IMO winning is secondary to the knowledge of car control you gain from competeing and talking to other people who have been doing it for years. Once you master car control, set your sight's on a class and then develope a car based on it's rules. BTW a good place to get answers is at sccaforums.com.

JHue75 · 07-29-2003

True words of wisdom Saleen Owner. Clearly you've been doing this a long time to give such sage advice.

And sccafourms, man HOW did I miss those!!!! Thanks for the link.

I see your info says your from Indiana. I used to live in Michigan before I moved down here to Florida.

I have to ask,how many autocrosses do you get to do up in Indiana without the weather mucking up the event.
Down here we can usually run all year, but we have to finish before 2pm to miss the rain.

Thanks for the wisdom.....

Saleen Owner · 07-30-2003

8 to 10 AutoX's a year. The word's of wisdom are not all mine. The first AuotX I attended back in 93 is where I got my reality check. After I made my first 3 runs, I went out to work the course. I was dejected after watching a 40 something women (no offense intended) in a smoke bomb Chevette (offense intended) turn better times than I was in the Saleen. The guy I was working the corner with asked whats wrong? After I told him he smiled and said- This is your first time out, she's been doing this for over 10 years. What you did on your runs looked real cool, going into every corner full sideways and frying the tires out of every exit. But your not racing on dirt in case you didn't notice and every time you do that your losing alot of time. It's all about car control he said, the smoother you run the lower your times will be. Even though you were much faster on the straights, she ate your lunch in the corners. This guy at the time had 7 National Championship titles in B Mod, so I figured he knew what he was talking about. On my next 3 runs I ran what felt to me like really slow, but each time I knocked off much faster times. Thats when I learned that it's not the car that matters but the skill level of the driver. And that worrying about winning only takes away valuable time, from the very limited time you have to be learning these skills. Ask the old hands to watch and evaluate your runs. At test and tunes or fun runs ask one to let you ride with them, and for them to ride with you. And take every driver school they offer that you can. In all the Autox's I've been to I have never seen a so called "Natural". AutoX is one of, if not the most technical form of autoracing because unlike a road course you can learn over years, at most you get 6 shots at a course in one day, then it's gone forever.

JHue75 · 07-30-2003

Your first event sounded much like my first event. ( which was at the the Sebring track I metioned )

The response I got that was classic was...."You looked real cool out there....for an action movie."

In my last few events, thats all I do is have the intsructors ride with me,
and I attended every novice walk through, even though I am out of the novice division. ( the resident instructor usually gives tips and toughts on where he thinks time can be gained, so its always "WORTH" something. )

In my final runs I was able to nock 4 seconds off, so that was a great weekend for me.

Man, I am already jonesing for the next event , its on Aug 17th and that day cant come soon enough for me.

Have you ever been to a national event?

Saleen Owner · 07-31-2003

Yeah I ran the Freedom National in Evansville in 93. The response I got was quote "Jeezzzus man a national event your second time out, in Super Stock, maaaan you got some baaallz". It was the jones that did it, that and a national level driver school that was being offered there. It was alot of fun, there were about 250 entries from like 37 States, and something like 10 National Championship holders there, including 2 from our home region and one in my class. And quite a few former title holders going to school on them looking forward to Topeka. It was an awsome display. And I got a better than front row seat as a corner worker. Nothing like seeing 200 plus HP, 700 pound A-Mod cars air shifting thorugh 6 gears and doing 70 MPH in about 70 feet at insane RPM and noise levels from 10 feet away! Hell that alone was worth the entry fee. I learned alot, and made alot of friends. I've been to a few since, but have not entered any more.

wpgfordguy · 11-27-2003

F Stock?

My car is classed E? (2002 GT 4.6 CONV)

Saleen Owner · 12-05-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by wpgfordguy
F Stock?

My car is classed E? (2002 GT 4.6 CONV)

If your in S.C.C.A. santioned event, you should be classed F-Stock. Unless mod'ed out of stock catagory, then you'd be in E-Street prepared.

wpgfordguy · 12-16-2003

that would be correct with the mods i have now

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