lol this is pretty funny, if import cars are so ricey why even bother racing them? stick to ur domestics and just race them cause we make alota noise and dont make 500 hp..
while you may think to get that outa a 4 cylinder engine the block it self would have to be heavily modded, guess what its not, they did some head work on it and upgraded the fuel system.
for those of you who dont wanna click cause u will break down and buy a civic ill bring the mod sheet to yea
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im done for now, i kno what this is gonna become, a huge arguement and lots of get outa here ricers so. go ahead, but you wont be gettin non of us mad or insulted
see its not the fact that we need a bunch of power to beat the big scary muscle cars on the auto x course, its about a good power/weight ratio...check out this turbo miata from p1 automotive
Guys this is not a war against imports, the guy wants a Mustang..PERIOD and he wants it to be streetable and race-ready.
Mustangs are our preference as imports are yours, we know lots of imports can outhandle and outperform a Mustang, and most of us know it is not only a matter of raw horsepower: Power vs weight, suspension, you name it.
Probably he could make a great handling Import for less money, but he wants a Mustang.
It is a great challenge he is pursuing, but it is his wish and preference.
yeah no doubt. this guy is just tryin to pursue his own thing. i mean he himself was the one who admitted to the fact that imports are good too.we all have our own projects. however, we were more talkin about the other guy who was knockin imports and their "tiny engines".
lets just say, if its done right you can make anything fast, i dont care if its a pinto or a ferrari, it just takes time, knowledge, and alot of money.. yea want a import killer, buy a gun, and just shoot the driver.. save the money and spend it on ammo and bribes.
how about just ask for a fast car, not an import killer, what would u do to another domestic car, just shake the drivers hand and move on, becasue your car is tunned for import killing? yea wanna race on the street, then ask whats the quickest set up i can get for 50k, and if u want my point of view, with 50k id buy a supra.. haha
I haven't seen a 240SX with anywhere near 500hp, much less more. Besides, the turbo required to get that teeny weenie engine to make that much power would also make it useless on a road course because it would simply never be able to get the hampsters running quickly enough out of corners. While getting the HP is probably not so far-fetched, it's something more in line with drag racing, not corner carving.
I'm sorry, but if you think you need power to road/course race your in for a surprise. And the turbo is stock on the sr20det, if you didn't know, so when we do our swaps we get a more reliable engine and more power.
Frankly, there are 240sx/silvia's out there with minor modifications will completely and utterly destroy a mustang gt or otherwise in a course race.
As for those hamsters, most of us like to stay above 5000 rpm's when we are into corners seeing as how we have close to 4000 rpms left on the sr20 and thats all at max psi. Corners are a turbo's friend.
if a mustang is your cup of tea, and you want to destroy any import super power that crosses your road, you need to get a blower. then spend the rest on suspension/chasis stiff's and some on weight reduction.
OK guys, lets make sure we don't get to slinging mud around. As I have tried to make clear, what I want to build is an "American" car that will compete with the faster Imports out there. There are 3 generalizations that are "fairly safe" to make: 1) US engines can be easily built to make good power and great low-end torque, 2) US cars weigh a lot and there for have trouble in the corners, 3) Hotrod Import cars make good power & their light weight helps them in the corners.
The guys that have got their US cars (F-bodies, Vettes & Mustangs) to handle as good as the Imports have done a good amount of suspension work and have lightened up their cars. Putting ALL PREJUDICE ASIDE and thinking logically, I want to build the best car I can and do it in a cost effective manner. Because at the risk of hurting anyone's feelings, I'm all about the end result. I couldn't care less what kind of car it is, as long as it's rear drive and made here in the good old USA and is wicked-fast.........
I looked here to the Mustang and to this forum because I have more experience with FORD products and the fact that there are so many aftermarket bits available. I don't have any experience with current model Mustangs so I figured this would be the best place to come for some good info by those of you who have "been there, done that and gotten the T-shirt." That said, this will be a wasted exorcise if to do it I end up spend twice as much as I would if I built and Import. As previously suggested I've also looked at Vettes. A Pre 96' C4 can be had for around $8k and in stock form is not a bad foundation. I like the C5's but the initial cost is a bit to high. After doing my homework I think which ever "core car" I end up using it will be a car that has already been a track-car (i.e., World Challenge, A-Sedan, etc.). I mean, whenever I have sold a race car in the past, I've never gotten what I put in it to build it. Hell I've got one now that I've got $70K into and I'd be thrilled if I could get $45K and it's a new car!
So guys please understand where I'm coming from. I'm not a "brand loyal diehard." I just like to win! And win in the proper context, i.e., not choosing a car that I've got to spend twice as everyone else, just to be competitive............ It's easy to win if you bring a F1 car to a AutoX, but to match guys dollar for dollar and still beat them at their own game........... That's winning with respect........ And that to me would be fun............
Some of you guys REALLY need to pay closer attention to what you're reading before adding a response! Crying "FOUL" over what I wrote tells me you haven't gotten past the "Oh no, he just diss'd my ride" phase, and honestly, that's not my problem, nor is it why I respond in the 1st place.
and you were the one callin OUR engines "hamsters"
I dont think ur past that phase.
It's clear that you are here only to argue. I'd rather not, but if you insist on trying to do so, I think you won't like the end result!
Btw DV, have you considered something along the lines of a Factory Five chassis(not necessarily theirs) for your engine? They're light, handle well, and are already set up for the 5.0/5.8L engine. I'd think you could be race ready for about 30K and those cars typically do very well while looking like the original monsters that carried the "COBRA" nameplate. I'm not sure a 351C would fit well, but the "W" would.
